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OfflineRonaldFuckingPaul
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Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die
    #16736906 - 08/21/12 02:21 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It's my personal belief that we are born with the inherent right to die at any time for any reason as we didn't choose to be born.  I believe people should have access to "suicide clinics" where they can go to die peacefully using the best drugs and donate their organs if they wish.  The ratio of people who successfully commit suicide compared to people who fail is about 1/20.  Fact is, suicide happens, we might as well accept it and let people die in peace and make use of their organs if they choose.  Thoughts?


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #16736936 - 08/21/12 02:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds reasonable to me...

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #16736942 - 08/21/12 02:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Meh, a bullet isnt expensive or painful.  I sure dont want to pay for some clinic to subsidize their want to kill themselves.  I have a life of my own I am worrying about.

I would agree at giving them that right.  I'm not gonna pay for a clinic though.

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: DieCommie]
    #16737076 - 08/21/12 02:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

My understanding is that many suicide attempts aren't meant to be successful. People use bullets when they aren't fucking around.


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #16737124 - 08/21/12 02:52 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If it's a personal freedom:thumbup: it's a personal responsibility.  I keep my helium tank right next to the bed.


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #16737714 - 08/21/12 04:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Is that why you sound like Mickey Mouse over the phone?


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: DieCommie]
    #16737771 - 08/21/12 04:36 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Meh, a bullet isnt expensive or painful.  I sure dont want to pay for some clinic to subsidize their want to kill themselves.  I have a life of my own I am worrying about.

I would agree at giving them that right.  I'm not gonna pay for a clinic though.



A bullet to the brain has a high success rate.  About 98% fatality.  But then there's the 2% of people who are fucked for life.  They need an 100% success rate.  But yeah maybe suicide clinics aren't such a good idea.  But we should give people access to barbiturates who are serious about killing themselves.


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Rahz]
    #16737820 - 08/21/12 04:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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My understanding is that many suicide attempts aren't meant to be successful. People use bullets when they aren't fucking around.



While a bullet to the brain has a very high success rate(98%) it's not an 100% success rate and isn't always instantaneous and peaceful.  Also many of the suicide "attempts" are actually people who want to die but are scared of the more successful methods(firearms,hanging,etc..).  By giving these people access to barbiturates they can die peacefully and not worry about a botched suicide attempt and scarring people who find their corpse and not make a mess.


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #16737838 - 08/21/12 04:43 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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If it's a personal freedom:thumbup: it's a personal responsibility.  I keep my helium tank right next to the bed.



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Is that why you sound like Mickey Mouse over the phone?




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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #16737848 - 08/21/12 04:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Why are people so resistant to using gas?  It's available, painless, reliable and easy.  Argon, Nitrogen, Helium. :shrug:


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Icelander]
    #16737863 - 08/21/12 04:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I would prefer pentobarbital. It would be more pleasant than having a plastic bag over your head, and I have heard of people unconsciously ripping the bag off their head.

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Icelander]
    #16737868 - 08/21/12 04:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Why are people so resistant to using gas?  It's available, painless, reliable and easy.  Argon, Nitrogen, Helium. :shrug:



Well from what I've read on multiple suicide forums is that many people freak out at the last minute and tear off the bag.  Some people have to use handcuffs to avoid this.  I'd prefer a drug overdose.  But if I had no other choice I'd definitely use an exit bag.


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #16738332 - 08/21/12 05:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Why are people so resistant to using gas?  It's available, painless, reliable and easy.  Argon, Nitrogen, Helium. :shrug:



Well from what I've read on multiple suicide forums is that many people freak out at the last minute and tear off the bag.  Some people have to use handcuffs to avoid this.  I'd prefer a drug overdose.  But if I had no other choice I'd definitely use an exit bag.





If they do get scared then no harm done. Try try again. Or use drugs to calm you first.


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Icelander]
    #16738808 - 08/21/12 07:14 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

    If they do get scared then no harm done. Try try again. Or use drugs to calm you first.


Brain damage.

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Vore]
    #16738952 - 08/21/12 07:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Almost impossible with helium and nitrogen and argon if you pull the mask off before you pass out. That's what I've gotten from my research anyway.


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Icelander]
    #16739141 - 08/21/12 08:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It's not the gas, it's the lack of oxygen and whether the setup is foolproof. I saw a lot of de-bunking that said using heliums at parties is not a big deal, but once you start inhaling a lot it can be a risk.

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I also bought the book, The Final Exit and it seems to be the preferred method in there. What happens is, you fill a bag with helium and put if over your head (specific instructions not detailed from me here as they are long and you can find them online), and within 7-9 seconds you become ‘braindead’ so you pass out, then you die within 20 minutes. I did this, following all the instructions (minus one small one that I have included further down) and I remember putting the bag over my head (after 1.5 days of literally sitting there trying to get the strength to do it), and feeling that it smelt and felt fine, so I immediately relaxed. I can only remember the first 2-3 seconds so I must have passed out very quickly. Then I woke up 12 hours later with the helium tanks empty and the hood placed next to me, and vomit on the bed. I was DEVASTATED because I was absolutely sure that if only I could find the strength to pull the hood over my face, I would die. But yet again, I didn’t.

I was deeply depressed and reclusive for about 6 weeks. I even contacted the chap that wrote the book and has the website with threads discussing this method. He told me that ‘for some reason you removed the hood, only you know why’ and now he wont respond to me. I asked him how I could have removed the hood if I was ‘brain dead’? Also, I checked the inside of the hood and it was full of droplets so I must have been breathing inside that bag for way more than just a few seconds?



http://suicideproject.org/2010/07/helium-hood-method/

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Yes, a single deep breath of pure helium will drive all the oxygen out of your lungs and you will pass out. After that you will probably be breathing air again so you will recover, but remember, the first result of reduced oxygen to the brain is brain damage.



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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Vore]
    #16739193 - 08/21/12 08:24 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Everything I've read about the use of helium contradicts what she said there in that first part.  You don't pass out in seconds, it takes minutes inside a bag.  Brain death usually takes five to seven minutes.  And hey no major brain damage for her right?  It seems to work well for most people.  Name me a method that has zero risk of failure.


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Icelander]
    #16739218 - 08/21/12 08:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Name me a method that has zero risk of failure.




Waiting.  :shrug:  Starvation?  We've all been dyin' since the day we were born.  :devil:

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Icelander]
    #16739222 - 08/21/12 08:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

    Brain death usually takes five to seven minutes.


Yeah, my brother was born without oxygen for around five and he's definitely set back because of it. I definitely agree its one of the better methods, I just disagree with the original statement:

    If they do get scared then no harm done.


If you have some other sources, I'll be glad to read them.

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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Vore]
    #16739236 - 08/21/12 08:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I assumed that the scared person was still conscious and just ripped it off before they fully passed out.  :shrug:

I'll dope up first  and then gas up while leaning out over a thousand foot cliff full of rocks and crocks at the bottom.  Then I'll have you come over and kick me.


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: DieCommie]
    #16739245 - 08/21/12 08:36 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Name me a method that has zero risk of failure.




Waiting.  :shrug:  Starvation?  We've all been dyin' since the day we were born.  :devil:





Boring.

Actually there is a good web site on how to kill yourself fairly painlessly from dehydration. Much faster than starvation.

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~parkx032/VDD-Q&A.html 


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Re: Voluntary Euthanasia - The right to die [Re: Icelander]
    #16739249 - 08/21/12 08:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

    I'll dope up first  and then gas up while leaning out over a thousand foot cliff full of rocks and crocks at the bottom.  Then I'll have you come over and kick me.


Lol, someone's been watching Indiana Jones.


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