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Euthanasia
    #6880902 - 05/06/07 05:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The practice of euthanasia is being viewed immoral and is still illegal in so many places in this world under the reason that life is “holy” and that we’re not entitled to take it away, at any cost.
Religion plays a big role in that too and we’re still being influenced by this mind set in so many ways.
I sustain and believe in free choice.
If one decides to his own life because they are very ill and in great pain, there should be nobody to decide that they’re not allowed to do so.
The laws that interdict this fundamental right are the greatest destroyers of the concept of freedom. Nobody must be obliged to live, life is a right not a rule. The distinction between those two is enormous.
If one is in pain, one is suffering and it’s one’s decision to give up life.
If someone has a somebody from his family that is in pain, and the best thing for that person is to die, then the family should act in consequence and stop being selfish and thinking about the pain they would go through if the ill family member would die. It is a serious and dangerous decision for a family to make since they are under the threat of law, so I’m also taking this matter into consideration. But keeping that person alive while knowing that he/she suffers is, in my opinion, even worse.
What reasons are out there that sustain that assisted suicide & euthanasia are immoral or unethical? Do you find them as being of common sense, do you see any REAL compassion in all that?
Do you think that it euthanasia should be legal?

Also I believe that this matter needs more analysis regarding particular situations such as: if one is in a vegetative state, paralyzed, in coma, so one can do nothing to express his/hers feelings and desires, so what would be the admitted terms to practice euthanasia in such cases? What legal measures of protection would you consider in that case?


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Re: Euthanasia *DELETED* [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6881057 - 05/06/07 05:59 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6881070 - 05/06/07 06:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

(Euthanasia - those pesky Chinese kids?)

I believe all New Age fluffernauts should be put down. :yesnod:


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #6881218 - 05/06/07 06:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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puritybinge said:
if i was incapable of taking my own life, i would really hope that someone would do it for me given the idea that i wanted to depart this existence for whatever reason and that, that is my right, my choice, one of the few things we have complete control over, whether or not we live should never be controlled by anyone but ourselves.

as the substance of our day is our responsibility, the circumstance of death less random is individual choice...




Yes, but do you see any solution in all that? As in a way to make the proper formulated demands in order to make this thing to become legally accepted?


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    #6881540 - 05/06/07 08:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #6881949 - 05/06/07 10:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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puritybinge said:
move to the Netherlands....




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Re: Euthanasia [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6881973 - 05/06/07 10:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm proud to live the first(and, to my knowledge, the only) state to legalize euthanasia. According to Oregon law, the doctor is not to administer the lethal dose of drugs himself(excellent way to avoid a lawsuit), but simply to prescribe the drugs and give the patient a sheet explaining how to take the drugs and in what order. I think if there is one right that all people clearly have, it is the right to die.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Silversoul]
    #6882024 - 05/06/07 10:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Do you happen to know that legal recipe did it had to be followed in order to make it legal?


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Silversoul]
    #6882050 - 05/06/07 10:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The main argument I hear against euthanasia is that when you are in that much pain and torment you are not in your right mind. With high levels of pain comes delirium and the idea that you would do ANYTHING to get rid of this pain including someone to help you die. To continue that line of thought if you are in some sort of delirium then you are not allowed to make serious choices for yourself (in most states its illegal to interrogate a drunk while they are still drunk for the same reasons).
I'm sure almost everyone has had a time in life, or can imagine one, where they were in some sort of either excruciating pain or some other anguish or other high stress situation where you were looking for almost any way out and once that situation was gone you were glad that whatever you were thinking of didn't occur. Or even on a less severe note where you were overly excited about something and you did something you now regret because of that.

That being said I'm all in favor of euthanasia as long as it is absolutely clear that the person who is about to die is fully aware of the choice they are making and no one else is influencing them in anyway (ie a relative who stands to inherit something). I believe people have the right do anything they want in this world on one condition, that in doing whatever they want they do not interfere with anyone else's right to do whatever they want. This would defiantly fall under that.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6882060 - 05/06/07 10:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

No, I don't know the exact recipe. I just heard about this when I took a college course in Thanatology(the most interesting class I've ever taken, I must say). As far as following that recipe, I don't think it's illegal for the patient to waver from it, but they can't sue the doctor if they do.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: pasteface]
    #6882132 - 05/06/07 10:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

And that should be against the law? :what:
What about giving people the proper education that makes them more aware and determined and not just want to take their lives if they're in pain and have chances to survive?
Because most of people who are in real for euthanasia are dying anyways... that does the amazing act of saving them from useless pain and agony.

Sorry but I strongly disagree with what you're saying.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Silversoul]
    #6882217 - 05/06/07 11:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
No, I don't know the exact recipe. I just heard about this when I took a college course in Thanatology(the most interesting class I've ever taken, I must say). As far as following that recipe, I don't think it's illegal for the patient to waver from it, but they can't sue the doctor if they do.




I don't know if that's exactly euthanasia that you're talking about, I can't tell exactly where are these fine lines, but it looks like suicide to me... if the patient is the only one who can do it... and that IF he's being able to move. Anybody can do that and still there's no help for the people who are in coma since God knows when, those who are paralyzed and so on.
Now when a doctor can do that things change, not only for those who are not able to take their lives because they're literally unable to move, but for those who can commit suicide too.
When one decides to take ones life, one can appeal at the most traumatic methods to do so.
Now if that job is being done by a doctor, it can save those who decided to end their lives from all that trauma cause by a random and desperate method of doing so.

Also I thought that it would interesting and helpful to know which legal steps were taken in making euthanasia illegal and which obstacle could/were encountered on the way. These are things that should cancer us all for so many other reasons that the subject we're discussing.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #6882293 - 05/06/07 11:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If someone is in a coma, their family can simply pull the plug on them and let them die. This is known as passive euthanasia, and is much more widely accepted. That is just allowing nature to take its course. Oregon is the only US state to have legalized active euthanasia, in which a patient can be prescribed medications intended to kill them.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Silversoul]
    #6882406 - 05/07/07 12:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well that's a great step to better thinking :smile:

I feel that people should be informed about that kind of stuff, break down the taboos, and since something is moving, slowly but it does, it means that not everything is lost.


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