MisterSandman said:

relsseS said:

Not fatal.

I've imagined shit like that, like having a bottle full of liquid LSD (one drop being a hit) and just chugging it. I wish to do that on my deathbed. Hopefully by then I know a guy I can get a bottle full of LSD from hehe.

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Nope that would definitely be fatal.

12,000ug is the lethal dose. If you jumped into a pool of LSD you would absorb far more than 12,000ug into your pores, not to mention whatever got into your mouth.

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KevinDontWave said:

MisterSandman said:

relsseS said:

Not fatal.

I've imagined shit like that, like having a bottle full of liquid LSD (one drop being a hit) and just chugging it. I wish to do that on my deathbed. Hopefully by then I know a guy I can get a bottle full of LSD from hehe.

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Nope that would definitely be fatal.

12,000ug is the lethal dose. If you jumped into a pool of LSD you would absorb far more than 12,000ug into your pores, not to mention whatever got into your mouth.

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12,000mu-g is only the LD50 or lethal dose for 50% of the population.

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bryguy27007 said:

KevinDontWave said:

MisterSandman said:

relsseS said:

Not fatal.

I've imagined shit like that, like having a bottle full of liquid LSD (one drop being a hit) and just chugging it. I wish to do that on my deathbed. Hopefully by then I know a guy I can get a bottle full of LSD from hehe.

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Nope that would definitely be fatal.

12,000ug is the lethal dose. If you jumped into a pool of LSD you would absorb far more than 12,000ug into your pores, not to mention whatever got into your mouth.

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12,000mu-g is only the LD50 or lethal dose for 50% of the population.

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That number is not accurate. There has never been a recorded death from LSD and many people have taken well over 12,000 ug. I believe they got that number from mice which doesn't necessarily translate over to humans accurately.

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Here's a medical report where people accidentally consumed massive amounts of LSD and all lived. I think it comes out out be hundreds of thousands of micrograms per person, but you'll need to read it and do the calculations. Anybody up for it? That being said, jumping into a swimming pool of LSD would definitely kill a person. chinacat72 said a thumbprint was up to half a gram (500,000 mcg) (this quote is below).


Coma, Hyperthermia and Bleeding Associated with Massive LSD Overdose: A Report of Eight Cases. John C. Klock, MD, Udo Boerner, MS, and Charles E. Becker, MD. West J Med. 1974 March; 120(3): 183–188.


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chinacat72 said:
Robert Hunter said he took 250,000mcg. or 1/4 gram This is verified by Bear and other Dead family.
10,000 mcg. is a sheet.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2588967#2588967

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chinacat72 said:

Quote:

1)  What is thumbprinting? (sounds to me that it involves taking a high dose of LSD)

2)  What is the point of thumbprinting?
 

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1. It's a little tradition were people who work with crystal stick there thumb in it and lick it off.  Dose can be from 50mg-1/2gram. My largest was probably around 1/10th of a gram, though whiterasta has me beat by far as do alot of people. A dose this size is like no other. It's a huge difference between taking a couple mgs. The so called saturation level of LSD is quickly toasted at this level. WR can explian this hypothesis better than me. It's also very exhausting and shattering. Something i'm glad I did, but wouldn't do again.

2. The point. It's mostly a ritual of trust.  The upper levels of the LSD network are not like any other. There's a level of dedication and trust between each other that isn't found elsewere. This is why the DEA has been so unsuccessful in busting it up. The purpose of a thumbprint is to make sure that someone is on the level and there heart is in the right place. It's a shattering experiance. To explain anymore I would have to get into the whole LSD family philosophy. Some of it is explained in this thread. If your interested read it, though it appears to have gotten kind of long. 
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1734494#1734494

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chinacat72 said:

Stark said:

LD50 (lethal dose in half of tested animals) is 12000 micrograms.

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First of all that doesn't tell for which animal. If you look it up you will see that different animals have different LD-50's. You will be quite suprised when you see the difference. Secondly, as Albert Hoffman says animal LD-50's tell us absolutaly nothing about human LD-50's when it comes to LSD. People have repeatedly exeeded the dosage amounts that animal LD-50's indicate. We are totally different in how LSD reacts within human as compared to animals. Though we share some of the same neuroanatomy and neurochemisty as lab rats our central nervous system is far more different and complex.

In my undergraduate college days I chose a course called Psychology honors thesis. Basically it was you got a year to research a topic and make a mini thesis. I did mine on the "Potential and Saftey of LSD in Mental Health". One of the first things I had to do was provide data on the saftey of LSD on a physiological level.
I researched a year and contacted the FDA. I was never able to find 1 death caused by physiological complications from LSD. The closest thing I could find was the man listed on Erowid who mistook LSD crystal for speed and IV'd 320'000mcg. I found the full text in the Kentucky Journal of Medicine and the coroner say's that he found no physiological evidence that LSD caused his death.
Also this man was obviously a junkie if he mistook LSD crystal for speed. His heath and toxicology results make his case unable to say he died from LSD. Also since he IV'd it and IV is many times as powerful as oral then his 320'000mcg. dose figures into 2-3 grams orally. I bet he was quite suprised as he shot that load. Hell he could have died from fear, especially since he was a tweaker.
During my studys I found many people who had psychological problems, accidents and a few suicides during LSD use. I never found one that died from the chemical itself on a physiological level. I am now in graduate school and am continuing my pursuit of LSD's theraputic potential. As my old pharmacology professor said "LSD is one of the safest drugs on the planet on a physiological level." More people will die from aspirin this month then will ever die from LSD.

Between my studys in school and my own, plus my experiance of living on the road with the Dead for a decade I believe LSD is physically safe. I have no doubts about it. Many people have eaten large amounts of LSD crystal and everyones still alive. I'm not saying that there isn't a LD-50 for humans, but we will never know it unless people start eating gram after gram.

I would like to note that i'm not saying its safe for everybody to start eating enormous amounts of LSD. While its not that risky on a physical level it is on a psychological level if your not prepared. Also if you have an underlying medical problem that's agravated by stress then a large frighting dose could possibly be a problem.

Here's a thread that dives into large amounts of LSD. There are a few more i'll try to find.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...;o=&fpart=1
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showthreaded.php/Number/2292467/vc/1

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chinacat72 said:
this is a true story, but as albert hoffman and dr david nichols have pointed out this doesn`t mean anything for humans.animal studies are useless in the studie of lsd ,as they have a very different central nervous system.in all probability we will never know if there is an ld-50 or leathal dose fore humans.this is why it`s classified as non-toxic.in . in albert hoffmans sandoz notes(which are now public record), he emphisises that animal studies are of no value when researching lsd.
the human brain is much more complex and different than that of animals.some psychoactive chems that are deadly to lab rats have no effect on humans.
this is why dr. sasha shulgin bioassey his compounds on humans   
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showthreaded.php/Number/1095558/vc/1

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chinacat72 said:
LD-50's for animals mean nothing when talking about LSD.
As my professor Dr. David Nichols(www.heffter.org.) said they are completly worthless. The neurological differences between different animal species and humans makes testing LSD on animals unreliable. A mouse can consume a amount of LSD that will kill an elephant. Also it seems that some of these studies were done giving the LSD by IV. By giving LSD IV you then have to calculate what that amount is in terms of an oral dosage because taking 5mg. by injection is vastly different than 5mg. oraly in bioavailability.

As Dr. Hoffman says we just don't know the LD-50 of LSD in humans.
I don't see how we ever will. The one person to die from shooting LSD IV'd 320,000 mcg.* ,this is the equivelent of many grams orally. His case can't be considered though becuase he was a junkie and possibly had other drugs in his system.

Also the case about the elephant. The elephant had recieved many different drugs over its life as a test animal. Including a dose of amphetamine some hours before the LSD dose and a massive dose of thorazine after the LSD dose.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showthreaded.php/Number/2102631/vc/1


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I was 19 years old when I decided to take what in effect perhaps is the largest dose of LSD ever taken to this day, a hundred thousand micrograms. And had one day of ecstasy and rapture; seven days of spiritual catastrophic nightmarish agony.
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Film director-writer, James Toback, The Stoned Ages (documentary)

More info on that in the following Harvard Independent article: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5387192


*LSD Toxicity: A Suspected Cause of Death. E. Allen Griggs and Michael Ward. April 1977

jp9304 said:

There is no dilution its 100 percent cid

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scrapske said:

i guess it depends on how diluted the water is with the lsd :P

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d9c6 said:

Pure LSD would be crystal, I think. Liquid LSD is crystals dissolved. Correct me if I'm wrong please

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