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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #680890 - 06/15/02 05:41 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Leary

>"Is it possible to experience LSD the way it was experienced in the 60's?"<

Make sure you have the real deal and bump up your dose, buddy. Beware, it ain't for the faint of mind.

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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: ]
    #681191 - 06/15/02 11:59 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

barka in reply to your its eithe rlsd or its not this is total bulshit

theres many other egrot alchnoids that u could be getting due to a failed synthisis and some of them are much ebtetr then lsd /body high wise

do some more studying befpre u quote unresearched facts


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: ]
    #681193 - 06/16/02 12:01 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

also u cant put much if any cut on a blooter paper if theres lsd on it its useing most of the space to hold it therefore if u cut it which i see no reason to do ud have very low amount on it lsd is one of th emost potent chemicals knowen to man most any other cut wouldent be therefore any cut would do nothing at all


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: LCid]
    #681215 - 06/16/02 12:50 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah man, u cant put much if any cut on a blooter paper There is just no damn room on that blooter for a cut.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: why]
    #683821 - 06/17/02 11:34 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

If he's native to Seattle, the public schools up there must have really taken a turn for the worst. Though I did understand what his point was, ironically. No offense meant if english is not your primary language. ..or maybe just posting while high.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: TeKHeAD009]
    #684052 - 06/17/02 01:43 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

LSD IS ALWAYS LSD-25
there is no lsd-24,23,69
it's lsd or it's not
impurity's are bound to arise tho
back when lsd was produced in a pharmaceutical lab they had total control over enviroment, cleanliness etc
now it would depend on where it was made
precursors and labtime needed for such an operation is alot harder to comeby
But basically, most acid is just low dose.
So you'll need to eat more for effects that the higher dosed hits produced, back in the day.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Liquid Squid]
    #684520 - 06/17/02 04:42 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

u really think so man? lol there many other egrot alcanoids that u can get on the street isntead of lsd thats jsut like it alsmot exactly the same high

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_ald52.shtml


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Liquid Squid]
    #684791 - 06/17/02 07:06 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

http://leda.lycaeum.org/

Was what info I was going off of... I did read it a few years ago so my memory may not be correct. Cripes man. I'm sure somehow, the chemical structure of LSD during its synthesis can be accidently altered. Making LSD is afterall illegal (in most countries), and I'm sure they dont do it perfectly.
C20.H25.N3.O I believe it is called LSD-25 because of the H25 their, I dont freekin know, but I've seen it called LSD-25.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Liquid Squid]
    #684806 - 06/17/02 07:17 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I get what your saying, my apologies - I'm still high and when I first read your post I thought something different. Now reading it a second time, I get what your saying.

I still think that the LSD could be a little different from different chemists- since the lab conditions arnt perfect and they dont always go through all the steps I think that SOME of the acid may be slightly different. If the synthesis for LSD requires 2 steps for purification, and only one is used, I'm sure the second step was in their for a reason. I really dont know, I'm no chemist.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Liquid Squid]
    #685163 - 06/18/02 04:21 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Even in the 60's there were different grades of acid. I'm pretty sure that that stuff was streight out of the lab, so that's evidence that LSD is not LSD(know what I mean?).
















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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #686613 - 06/18/02 04:55 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

no... you are confusing me.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Banshee]
    #687269 - 06/19/02 01:26 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I believe LSD in the 60's around Height Ashbury was as close to pure LSD as you can get, but there were still different quality batches.

I don't know.
















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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #687391 - 06/19/02 03:25 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

ive only had LSD 25 for one week we binged on it

there was alot around cause it was a goverment trace drug everybody a level over the guy i was doing it with got busted and is still in jail today

the gov knew everydoy would want this pure great acid and they followed it around busted atleast 50 good people and they are in jail for a good 10-20 years for a simple drug


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
    #687847 - 06/19/02 07:45 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just saying..LSD and LSD-25 are one and the same.
There isn't just LSD, it's name is LSD-25
I'm not saying that what they put in a dose was always LSD, it could very well have been something similar *ALD-52* except on blotter because it would break back down into lsd very quickly
But I have heard thing on different parts of the LSD crystal producing different trips *amber, silver*
I'm not exactly sure tho, to date i haven't seen any lsd crystals infront of my face
It'd be a good topic to research tho, different regions of the crystal producing different effects..

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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #27170408 - 01/26/21 07:41 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Real LSD is LSD. It’s either that molecule or it’s not. “Bad” LSD is either weak or research chemicals. So yes, more, if real, would be the exact same substance. However, we all know the impact of set and setting. The 2020’s are not the 1960’s when acid was newly discovered by the masses, and an integral part of a seismic cultural shift. That’s a unique set and setting.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Neurotech]
    #27170424 - 01/26/21 08:05 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Wow old thread man. I just want to say that not knowing anything about your dose is a unique set and setting, because we have better tools for measurement these days we tend to have a better idea of what we are ingesting and the relative accuracy of individual doses is probably better as well. Back then the best you'd get, as far as I know, was "Those are strong, man." Literature/research, and decades of anecdotal human trials have also given us knowledge on what the experience is. It's like if you ate a mushroom not knowing anything about mushrooms, the experience may be more pronounced seeing as you might literally think you're dying. This is what I think the difference is from doing acid in the 60's vs now, we simply have more knowledge and better tools and that effects the more maleable psychological properties of the experience.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
    #27170559 - 01/26/21 09:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

While taking LSD has always had spiritual qualities, in the 60's it was also a bold statement, part of the revolution. Rather han refining your consciousness and improving your personal life, it was a dividing line between generations. Turn on, Tune In and Drop out was the motto. Doing acid meant rejecting societal norms, was political and drove radical changes in sexuality. You didn't just make love on acid to experience oneness. You were pushing the envelope and reinventing the world, and it felt like you were on the verge of huge changes in human consciousness.

While the dramatic level of change eased significantly, we owe that generation for bringing psychedelics into our present. But the set and setting of a trip then was quite different than today. Same LSD.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Neurotech] * 2
    #27171057 - 01/26/21 02:31 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Real LSD is LSD. It’s either that molecule or it’s not. “Bad” LSD is either weak or research chemicals. So yes, more, if real, would be the exact same substance. However, we all know the impact of set and setting. The 2020’s are not the 1960’s when acid was newly discovered by the masses, and an integral part of a seismic cultural shift. That’s a unique set and setting.




Actually, that's not true at all.  You can have batches of LSD crystal that is 60% LSD-25 and 40% impurities.. that means if you lay 100ug per tab, there would only be 60ug of LSD on that tab (40ug impurities).  If you had 97% pure crystal, thats 97% LSD and 3% impurities.  That means there would be 97ug of LSD on that tab if you laid it at 100ug per tab.

If you take 3 tabs, you're absolutely gonna notice a huge difference between 180ug LSD and 292ug LSD.  Even with two tabs, 120ug vs. 198ug.  That's a big difference too.

So there is a huge difference.  One time I got a batch that was like 40% pure, like the concentrate liquid was black.  Me and my friend accidently took like 1.2mg and 1.4mg.  The only thing that saved our asses was it was so impure, we each took more like 500ug and 600ug.  Still an insane trip though.  If that stuff was 95% pure we would've been in real trouble.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27171391 - 01/26/21 05:23 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Neurotech said:
Real LSD is LSD. It’s either that molecule or it’s not. “Bad” LSD is either weak or research chemicals. So yes, more, if real, would be the exact same substance. However, we all know the impact of set and setting. The 2020’s are not the 1960’s when acid was newly discovered by the masses, and an integral part of a seismic cultural shift. That’s a unique set and setting.




Actually, that's not true at all.  You can have batches of LSD crystal that is 60% LSD-25 and 40% impurities.. that means if you lay 100ug per tab, there would only be 60ug of LSD on that tab (40ug impurities).  If you had 97% pure crystal, thats 97% LSD and 3% impurities.  That means there would be 97ug of LSD on that tab if you laid it at 100ug per tab.

If you take 3 tabs, you're absolutely gonna notice a huge difference between 180ug LSD and 292ug LSD.  Even with two tabs, 120ug vs. 198ug.  That's a big difference too.

So there is a huge difference.  One time I got a batch that was like 40% pure, like the concentrate liquid was black.  Me and my friend accidently took like 1.2mg and 1.4mg.  The only thing that saved our asses was it was so impure, we each took more like 500ug and 600ug.  Still an insane trip though.  If that stuff was 95% pure we would've been in real trouble.




I think you are actually restating my point. Bad LSD is WEAK LSD. I have not heard that impurities have any effect on the effects of LSD. Either the molecule that locks into your brain receptors is LSD or it is not. I have never heard that any of the imputirities in a batch are also psychoactive. So what you are left with is....weak hits of LSD that are not the strength claimed.


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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Neurotech]
    #27171681 - 01/26/21 07:55 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Quoting myself from another thread:

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Azure Essence said:
LSD is LSD is LSD. Anything else is marketing. Even if you're getting something like 99% pure LSD in 100ug blotters("needlepoint"), you're getting 99ug LSD.

If you have 85% purity on 100ug blotters, you're getting 85ug of LSD. Now make no mistake, that dosage difference, along with set, setting, diet, mood, etc of your recent week can have profound effects, but this is not different LSD.

I emailed David Nichols about this a few years ago, and this is what he said:

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If LSD is purified, usually by chromatography of some kind, it should always be the same.  The original synthesis method is not crucial, although some methods may make it harder to purify the LSD than others.

Because LSD is so potent, there is no impurity potent enough to fit on a blotter that would affect the psychopharmacology of LSD.  Years ago, realizing that a major impurity might be isoLSD, we examined the pharmacology of isoLSD.  It had  no significant effect at any receptor system we examined.  If the LSD comes in a capsule, or tablet, then all bets are off because you could put all kinds of things in something that size.

Variability in effects is most often related to set and setting.  For example, if someone buys a blotter and is told that it is standard commercial blotter, and then is sold another blotter (for much higher price!)  and is told, “This blotter contains LSD originally synthesized by Hofmann himself at Sandoz laboratories”  it is a safe bet that the “Hofmann LSD” will be given rave reviews compared to the conventional blotter.  Most people in the street would not realize that it is not possible to get Sandoz LSD.  I read years ago where someone said that they bought a particular psychedelic that “came out of Sasha’s lab.” I wrote to them that Sasha never put his compounds on the street, and that it was purely a marketing gimmick.








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