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 Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? 
#672582 - 06/11/02 03:09 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I always hear about how great LSD was in the 60's. Sandoz and Owsley were two kinds of LSD that were supposed to have been absolutely mind blowing, and WAY better than anything you'll experience today.
Is it possible to experience LSD the way it was experienced in the 60's?
If you take a 10 strip of todays acid(average dose), would the effects be similar to 60's acid?
Was there something about 60's acid that cannot be duplicated or what?
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 Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#672612 - 06/11/02 03:47 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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In the words of Mr. Leary:
"Like any successful wizard, A.O.S.3. (Owsley) is a good scientist. Radar-sensitive in hid obsevations. Exacting, meticulous, pedantic about his procedures. He has grandiose delusions about the quality of his acid. 'Listen, man, LSD is a delicate, fragile molecule. It responds to the vibrations of the chemist.'"
Maybe 60's acid was made with love 
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: wintertime]
#672640 - 06/11/02 04:17 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha, that makes sense
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#672840 - 06/11/02 07:23 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most of the shit sold today
ISNT LSD
I think we are lucky that it isnt.....
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#672844 - 06/11/02 07:25 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I read on erowid I think that a standard dose of lsd was 300 micrograms.. and is moer diluted now to 100 micrograms. I think thats what it said...
And.. what do people pass off as lsd these days?
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Gmiadlicher]
#672849 - 06/11/02 07:28 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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technically with the advent of modern science and modern tools the LSD should be better these days, but with the modern laws its impossible to get the needed chemicals. so lsd lacks...
people say the weed was better in the 60's too but thats not factual, new techniques have been developed and new tools make it easier to grow new and extremely potent bud.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: indicaz]
#672948 - 06/11/02 08:47 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've never heard anyone say that the weed was better in the 60's. It's obviously better today.
So is everyone saying that the answer to my question is "yes, if you take more shitty LSD, it's very similar to Sandoz or Owsley LSD"? Something doesn't sound right about that, but it makes sense.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#672961 - 06/11/02 08:56 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Check out the old high times article "LSD PURITY - CLEANLINESS IS NEXT TO GODLINESS" by Bruce Eisner. I think its on erowid.
Even though its 25 years old and not from the most respected "science" journal in the world  , it has some ideas about LSD purity that I haven't seen anywhere else.
In reply to:
Timothy Scully told me that both he and Owsley
believed the tolerable limits of impurities to be on(e) tenth of a percentage point (requiring 99.9% purity)...
If this is true, then its no wonder why today's acid is not the same as that from the 60's. This would mean that there is some impurity (cyclized lysergides, decomposition product, side rxn product, homologue, etc) that has a similar potency to LSD, but produces less desirable drug effects. This theory would be easy to study, but there isn't a lot of LSD research going on these days for some reason  . So I don't know if this has been confirmed or not since then.
The LSD synthesis and purfication is difficult enough to make 99.9% purity very unlikely by underground chemists. As long as its predominantly about money it is not worth the extra efforts for them to achieve this.
Of course, theres also the fact that a typical hit contains much lower amounts of lsd than 30 years ago. 200ug was common then, 50ug is common now.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_writings1.shtml
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Edited by dirk gently (06/11/02 09:10 AM)
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#673022 - 06/11/02 09:51 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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From what I've read, no, more of todays acid wouldnt be like the 60's LSD.
LSD-25 is pure LSD
ACID is whats around today, impure LSD
Like someone else said, the last purification steps in the synthesis of LSD usually arnt performed today. Its about the money, and if you can make more money in a shorter amount of time, then why not cut a corner.
http://leda.lycaeum.org/quickindex.shtml - better then erowid for LSD
http://www.psychedelic-library.org/ - just interesting stuff.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: TeKHeAD009]
#673037 - 06/11/02 09:59 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm only going by what I remember reading a few years ago.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: TeKHeAD009]
#673079 - 06/11/02 10:27 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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sigh.... Its either LSD or its not LSD. The only difference is how much lsd the hits contain. LSD in the 60's where usually more potent then the ones today.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: baraka]
#673355 - 06/11/02 02:22 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSD is so active the measure it in micrograms. It HAS to be dilluted for making vials or gels. So none of its pure, id assume the dilute with water or alcohol in the vials ive seen.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: baraka]
#673903 - 06/11/02 08:11 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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In reply to:
sigh.... Its either LSD or its not LSD. The only difference is how much lsd the hits contain. LSD in the 60's where usually more potent then the ones today.
I would be inclined to think exactly as you do. LSD is too potent for impurities to be a factor. But I do find it interesting that both Owsley and Scully maintain that 99.9% purity is important. They are smart enough to realize that 200ug of LSD + 20ug unknown synthesis byproducts should = 200ug LSD. Maybe its just their egos talking years later about their superior techniques or something. And theres lots of people who swear that the pure LSD in the 60's (sandoz, then owsley) was noticeably better than todays even when taking into account the difference in amounts that were found. So I can't rule out the possibility that there is something to these arguments. The only way to find out for sure is to get some really pure acid from somebody and compare.
Shulgin's chapter in TIHKAL has some cool stuff on LSD analogs and some common breakdown products (that are inactive), but doesn't really say anything about this purity issue being real. But related compounds like LSA are known to have lots of non-psychedelic side effects, so it seems possible that something like this is at work with lousy acid.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: dirk gently]  1
#674152 - 06/12/02 02:57 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSD is too potent for impurities to be a factor.
It is not the potency of LSD in question, but that of the by-products. As what these may be and their possible effects are unknown, I doubt any of the respondents has the knowledge and equipment to test their hypothesis and offer a truly educated opinion.
It amazes me how everyone wants to jump in with a solid answer based on nothing at all. Would like to hear from degreeed chemists on this long-standing issue.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Swami]
#674162 - 06/12/02 03:12 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Heres an answer based on SOMETHING.. LSD is active at 20-50 micrograms. LSA is not. If there are a few mics of LSA in LSD it probably wont be noticeable, unless youre taking a large dose.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Swami]
#675187 - 06/12/02 02:50 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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In reply to:
It is not the potency of LSD in question, but that of the by-products.
Well, one implies the other. If you have, say 200ug of compound(s) on a 5mg piece of blotter, nothing else will be active except LSD, if present. Or thats the assumption anyway. I think everyone gets that by now. Point is, it may be more complicated than that. Something else may be, or become active enough to produce side effects that wouldn't occur with pure LSD. Worth mentioning, though I certainly can't prove thats the case. Maybe someone should ask AOS3.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#678699 - 06/14/02 02:33 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Stanley Owsley (AKA Bear) Was an one of the first and in the opinion of many people of that time, the best makers of LSD 25. He was the one who supplied Ken Keasy's merry pranksters with the juce for the electric kool aid acid test's. I was lucky enough to sample what was supposidely Bear's stuff (or at least his formula) in 1974. This may be Bullshit but it sure was good. Much of the acid of today is cut with speed which is much cheeper to produce. Owsley's stuff was what propelled Neil Cassidy across the country driving the bus!
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#678702 - 06/14/02 02:35 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh in answer to your question. Maybe but maybe not! I would think not!
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Ripple]
#679510 - 06/15/02 12:21 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Acid cut with speed?
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Calimero]
#680731 - 06/15/02 04:07 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cut with speed? What the hell are talking. People cant understand can they?
When was the last time you saw speed on a medium of a small piece of paper?
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#680890 - 06/15/02 05:41 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Leary
>"Is it possible to experience LSD the way it was experienced in the 60's?"<
Make sure you have the real deal and bump up your dose, buddy. Beware, it ain't for the faint of mind.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: ]
#681191 - 06/15/02 11:59 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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barka in reply to your its eithe rlsd or its not this is total bulshit
theres many other egrot alchnoids that u could be getting due to a failed synthisis and some of them are much ebtetr then lsd /body high wise
do some more studying befpre u quote unresearched facts
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: ]
#681193 - 06/16/02 12:01 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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also u cant put much if any cut on a blooter paper if theres lsd on it its useing most of the space to hold it therefore if u cut it which i see no reason to do ud have very low amount on it lsd is one of th emost potent chemicals knowen to man most any other cut wouldent be therefore any cut would do nothing at all
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: LCid]
#681215 - 06/16/02 12:50 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah man, u cant put much if any cut on a blooter paper There is just no damn room on that blooter for a cut. 
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: why]
#683821 - 06/17/02 11:34 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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If he's native to Seattle, the public schools up there must have really taken a turn for the worst. Though I did understand what his point was, ironically. No offense meant if english is not your primary language. ..or maybe just posting while high.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: TeKHeAD009]
#684052 - 06/17/02 01:43 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSD IS ALWAYS LSD-25
there is no lsd-24,23,69
it's lsd or it's not
impurity's are bound to arise tho
back when lsd was produced in a pharmaceutical lab they had total control over enviroment, cleanliness etc
now it would depend on where it was made
precursors and labtime needed for such an operation is alot harder to comeby
But basically, most acid is just low dose.
So you'll need to eat more for effects that the higher dosed hits produced, back in the day.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Liquid Squid]
#684520 - 06/17/02 04:42 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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u really think so man? lol there many other egrot alcanoids that u can get on the street isntead of lsd thats jsut like it alsmot exactly the same high
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_ald52.shtml
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Liquid Squid]
#684791 - 06/17/02 07:06 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://leda.lycaeum.org/
Was what info I was going off of... I did read it a few years ago so my memory may not be correct. Cripes man. I'm sure somehow, the chemical structure of LSD during its synthesis can be accidently altered. Making LSD is afterall illegal (in most countries), and I'm sure they dont do it perfectly.
C20.H25.N3.O I believe it is called LSD-25 because of the H25 their, I dont freekin know, but I've seen it called LSD-25.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Liquid Squid]
#684806 - 06/17/02 07:17 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I get what your saying, my apologies - I'm still high and when I first read your post I thought something different. Now reading it a second time, I get what your saying.
I still think that the LSD could be a little different from different chemists- since the lab conditions arnt perfect and they dont always go through all the steps I think that SOME of the acid may be slightly different. If the synthesis for LSD requires 2 steps for purification, and only one is used, I'm sure the second step was in their for a reason. I really dont know, I'm no chemist.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Liquid Squid]
#685163 - 06/18/02 04:21 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Even in the 60's there were different grades of acid. I'm pretty sure that that stuff was streight out of the lab, so that's evidence that LSD is not LSD(know what I mean?).
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#686613 - 06/18/02 04:55 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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no... you are confusing me.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Banshee]
#687269 - 06/19/02 01:26 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I believe LSD in the 60's around Height Ashbury was as close to pure LSD as you can get, but there were still different quality batches.
I don't know.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#687391 - 06/19/02 03:25 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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ive only had LSD 25 for one week we binged on it
there was alot around cause it was a goverment trace drug everybody a level over the guy i was doing it with got busted and is still in jail today
the gov knew everydoy would want this pure great acid and they followed it around busted atleast 50 good people and they are in jail for a good 10-20 years for a simple drug
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
#687847 - 06/19/02 07:45 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm just saying..LSD and LSD-25 are one and the same.
There isn't just LSD, it's name is LSD-25
I'm not saying that what they put in a dose was always LSD, it could very well have been something similar *ALD-52* except on blotter because it would break back down into lsd very quickly
But I have heard thing on different parts of the LSD crystal producing different trips *amber, silver*
I'm not exactly sure tho, to date i haven't seen any lsd crystals infront of my face
It'd be a good topic to research tho, different regions of the crystal producing different effects..
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Real LSD is LSD. It’s either that molecule or it’s not. “Bad” LSD is either weak or research chemicals. So yes, more, if real, would be the exact same substance. However, we all know the impact of set and setting. The 2020’s are not the 1960’s when acid was newly discovered by the masses, and an integral part of a seismic cultural shift. That’s a unique set and setting.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Neurotech]
#27170424 - 01/26/21 08:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow old thread man. I just want to say that not knowing anything about your dose is a unique set and setting, because we have better tools for measurement these days we tend to have a better idea of what we are ingesting and the relative accuracy of individual doses is probably better as well. Back then the best you'd get, as far as I know, was "Those are strong, man." Literature/research, and decades of anecdotal human trials have also given us knowledge on what the experience is. It's like if you ate a mushroom not knowing anything about mushrooms, the experience may be more pronounced seeing as you might literally think you're dying. This is what I think the difference is from doing acid in the 60's vs now, we simply have more knowledge and better tools and that effects the more maleable psychological properties of the experience.
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#27170559 - 01/26/21 09:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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While taking LSD has always had spiritual qualities, in the 60's it was also a bold statement, part of the revolution. Rather han refining your consciousness and improving your personal life, it was a dividing line between generations. Turn on, Tune In and Drop out was the motto. Doing acid meant rejecting societal norms, was political and drove radical changes in sexuality. You didn't just make love on acid to experience oneness. You were pushing the envelope and reinventing the world, and it felt like you were on the verge of huge changes in human consciousness.
While the dramatic level of change eased significantly, we owe that generation for bringing psychedelics into our present. But the set and setting of a trip then was quite different than today. Same LSD.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Neurotech] 2
#27171057 - 01/26/21 02:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Real LSD is LSD. It’s either that molecule or it’s not. “Bad” LSD is either weak or research chemicals. So yes, more, if real, would be the exact same substance. However, we all know the impact of set and setting. The 2020’s are not the 1960’s when acid was newly discovered by the masses, and an integral part of a seismic cultural shift. That’s a unique set and setting.
Actually, that's not true at all. You can have batches of LSD crystal that is 60% LSD-25 and 40% impurities.. that means if you lay 100ug per tab, there would only be 60ug of LSD on that tab (40ug impurities). If you had 97% pure crystal, thats 97% LSD and 3% impurities. That means there would be 97ug of LSD on that tab if you laid it at 100ug per tab.
If you take 3 tabs, you're absolutely gonna notice a huge difference between 180ug LSD and 292ug LSD. Even with two tabs, 120ug vs. 198ug. That's a big difference too.
So there is a huge difference. One time I got a batch that was like 40% pure, like the concentrate liquid was black. Me and my friend accidently took like 1.2mg and 1.4mg. The only thing that saved our asses was it was so impure, we each took more like 500ug and 600ug. Still an insane trip though. If that stuff was 95% pure we would've been in real trouble.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
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Neurotech said:
Real LSD is LSD. It’s either that molecule or it’s not. “Bad” LSD is either weak or research chemicals. So yes, more, if real, would be the exact same substance. However, we all know the impact of set and setting. The 2020’s are not the 1960’s when acid was newly discovered by the masses, and an integral part of a seismic cultural shift. That’s a unique set and setting.
Actually, that's not true at all. You can have batches of LSD crystal that is 60% LSD-25 and 40% impurities.. that means if you lay 100ug per tab, there would only be 60ug of LSD on that tab (40ug impurities). If you had 97% pure crystal, thats 97% LSD and 3% impurities. That means there would be 97ug of LSD on that tab if you laid it at 100ug per tab.
If you take 3 tabs, you're absolutely gonna notice a huge difference between 180ug LSD and 292ug LSD. Even with two tabs, 120ug vs. 198ug. That's a big difference too.
So there is a huge difference. One time I got a batch that was like 40% pure, like the concentrate liquid was black. Me and my friend accidently took like 1.2mg and 1.4mg. The only thing that saved our asses was it was so impure, we each took more like 500ug and 600ug. Still an insane trip though. If that stuff was 95% pure we would've been in real trouble.
I think you are actually restating my point. Bad LSD is WEAK LSD. I have not heard that impurities have any effect on the effects of LSD. Either the molecule that locks into your brain receptors is LSD or it is not. I have never heard that any of the imputirities in a batch are also psychoactive. So what you are left with is....weak hits of LSD that are not the strength claimed.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Neurotech]
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Quoting myself from another thread:
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LSD is LSD is LSD. Anything else is marketing. Even if you're getting something like 99% pure LSD in 100ug blotters("needlepoint"), you're getting 99ug LSD.
If you have 85% purity on 100ug blotters, you're getting 85ug of LSD. Now make no mistake, that dosage difference, along with set, setting, diet, mood, etc of your recent week can have profound effects, but this is not different LSD.
I emailed David Nichols about this a few years ago, and this is what he said:
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If LSD is purified, usually by chromatography of some kind, it should always be the same. The original synthesis method is not crucial, although some methods may make it harder to purify the LSD than others.
Because LSD is so potent, there is no impurity potent enough to fit on a blotter that would affect the psychopharmacology of LSD. Years ago, realizing that a major impurity might be isoLSD, we examined the pharmacology of isoLSD. It had no significant effect at any receptor system we examined. If the LSD comes in a capsule, or tablet, then all bets are off because you could put all kinds of things in something that size.
Variability in effects is most often related to set and setting. For example, if someone buys a blotter and is told that it is standard commercial blotter, and then is sold another blotter (for much higher price!) and is told, “This blotter contains LSD originally synthesized by Hofmann himself at Sandoz laboratories” it is a safe bet that the “Hofmann LSD” will be given rave reviews compared to the conventional blotter. Most people in the street would not realize that it is not possible to get Sandoz LSD. I read years ago where someone said that they bought a particular psychedelic that “came out of Sasha’s lab.” I wrote to them that Sasha never put his compounds on the street, and that it was purely a marketing gimmick.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Azure Essence]
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What he said.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Azure Essence]
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I’m no chemist but from what I know about LSD that makes sense. It also makes intuitive sense because I’ve dropped tabs from a variety of sources over the years and even though the intensity and trip quality varied, it was obviously the same active chemical ingredient that was producing the drug’s effects. It’s not like cocaine or something which can be easily cut with all kinds of crap that can change the nature of the buzz.
The stuff about acid being cut with speed or strychnine is pure urban legend. Also, people who buy acid aren’t like coke fiends or meth heads who spend massive amounts of cash on their drugs of choice so nobody who sells LSD is doing it to get rich. Likewise, there is little incentive for organized crime to get into LSD production/distribution. Not saying it never happens but even when it does, selling shitty acid isn’t like selling stepped on crack where a hardcore compulsion drives users to buy whatever is available even if it’s garbage quality. I’ve never met a psychonaut who will repeatedly buy shitty product. That only works with junkies and fiends who get desperate if they don’t get their fix.
With psychedelics quality is everything and any distributor with half a brain knows that.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: NightTripper89]
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Sorry, was replying to Azure Essence.
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This thread graduated high school and is starting its first semester in college.
Great info!
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Learyfan]
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there's still LSD around that hasn't been properly purified through chromatography and yes, you can feel the difference. and it's not just weaker, it's different.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: epilectric]
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had some liquid lsd in 2014 that obviously wasn't properly purified, my friend who had the vial actually saw some strands floating around in the liquid.. it was LSD but the come up was jittery every time, accompanied by uncomfortable physical sensations (nausea, fatigue) and 100ug of that liquid did not produce what 50ug of clean acid would give me. with proper acid, my vision is starting to get covered in fractals at a dose as low as 50 mics without investing any effort. with that impure batch, on 100 ug i had to focus strongly to see the fractals. and yes, it still was LSD, just not properly purified, probably 30% LSD, the rest some other ergot alkaloids. i've taken it on several occasions and have taken other acid on multiple occasions and yes, i could feel the impurities everytime and so did the others. we later got another batch from the same source which was better purified - no strands floating around in the liquid - and yes, you could feel the difference and it wasn't just stronger - it was qualitatively different, less physical side effects, cleaner, sharper overall feel, even at lower doses.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: epilectric]
#27178404 - 01/30/21 07:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ime no
The best acid ive had 1 tab got me to a place 3 tabs of other shit didnt
Idk the reason
There are some tabs i can think of that i would take 25 of over 100 of other tabs
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Enkidu]
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Ime no
The best acid ive had 1 tab got me to a place 3 tabs of other shit didnt
Idk the reason
There are some tabs i can think of that i would take 25 of over 100 of other tabs
Absolutely agree as well. Regardless of debate, the way I feel and have experienced things over 20 different batches with hundreds of trips.. the high quality LSD is inherently better. 300ug of the bad quality LSD will never compare to 300ug of the high quality LSD.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
#27178502 - 01/30/21 08:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah idk what it is and we can go blue in the face about it, all i know is ill take one tab of those over 3 tabs of these 
Theres something to it more than set and setting
One time i had a tab my friend said was "double dipped" im like ok  Leme try though
Took it alone in my apt nothing special not a special time, blew my fucking socks off
Floored me completely
Fractal visuals morphing something fierce
Balled my eyes out something like what id expect on mushrooms
Amazing experience
Asked for a sheet, still have a bunch of em. They arent the same.
Ive taken two and it wasnt even close to that experience. Real strong but very different. Idk why. Ive taken them a few times.
Had those magic tabs here and there a few times in my life, never found em in large supply or consistently
Maybe if i was on the dark web or ehayever3
Hear you can find some fire tabs on those markets
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Enkidu]
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
#27179246 - 01/31/21 11:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ime no
The best acid ive had 1 tab got me to a place 3 tabs of other shit didnt
Idk the reason
There are some tabs i can think of that i would take 25 of over 100 of other tabs
Absolutely agree as well. Regardless of debate, the way I feel and have experienced things over 20 different batches with hundreds of trips.. the high quality LSD is inherently better. 300ug of the bad quality LSD will never compare to 300ug of the high quality LSD.
That's because it's not actually the same dosage, despite what was sold to you. Read my post again; 300ug of low purity(let's say 60%) would only be 180ug of LSD. 300ug of high purity(lets say 95%) would be 285ug. Dramatic difference.
However, LSD is LSD.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: baraka]
#27179274 - 01/31/21 11:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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sigh.... Its either LSD or its not LSD. The only difference is how much lsd the hits contain. LSD in the 60's where usually more potent then the ones today.
Also, people might get lucky and get ETH-LAD, Its even stronger than LSD
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: skOsH]
#27179458 - 01/31/21 01:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah either dose was different or it was a different chemical altogether
Like i said, idk the reason.
But even if the dose was half as strong, doesnt account for the quality of the experience on 1 hit in a not even spectacular setting vs 3 hits with friends and a fire and the night sky.
Maybe different chemical is the reason.
Same source though so idk whats with it
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Enkidu]
#27179654 - 01/31/21 04:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Azure Essence]
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Typerwritermonky said:
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Ime no
The best acid ive had 1 tab got me to a place 3 tabs of other shit didnt
Idk the reason
There are some tabs i can think of that i would take 25 of over 100 of other tabs
Absolutely agree as well. Regardless of debate, the way I feel and have experienced things over 20 different batches with hundreds of trips.. the high quality LSD is inherently better. 300ug of the bad quality LSD will never compare to 300ug of the high quality LSD.
That's because it's not actually the same dosage, despite what was sold to you. Read my post again; 300ug of low purity(let's say 60%) would only be 180ug of LSD. 300ug of high purity(lets say 95%) would be 285ug. Dramatic difference.
However, LSD is LSD.
Are you talking to me or Enkidu?
Because I literally posted the exact same explanation as you did. It's not the dosage though that's the difference between high quality LSD and low quality LSD. If you don't know me, I will not debate this because it causes issues, so we now state our OPINIONS as opinions instead of facts.
Because in my opinion; after having worked with LSD for more then a decade, having gotten 20+ different labs productions from black goo that wouldn't even crystallize to clear rocks of LSD crystal, yes, both of those experiences centered around the same LSD experience. But were entirely different subjectively in there facets and aspects of that LSD experience. The black goop was absolutely LSD, and it had that experience. But it was nothing compared to the highest quality stuff, the visuals were entirely different in nature, the mental feeling, the hallucinations.. and it wasn't dose dependent.
what's "sold" to me currently is pure crystal LSD that has been GC/MS'd and examined under microscopes.. so I'm pretty damn certain what I'm dealing with.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Enkidu]
#27179943 - 01/31/21 08:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah idk what it is and we can go blue in the face about it, all i know is ill take one tab of those over 3 tabs of these
Theres something to it more than set and setting
One time i had a tab my friend said was "double dipped" im like ok Leme try though
Took it alone in my apt nothing special not a special time, blew my fucking socks off
Floored me completely
Fractal visuals morphing something fierce
Balled my eyes out something like what id expect on mushrooms
Amazing experience
Asked for a sheet, still have a bunch of em. They arent the same.
Ive taken two and it wasnt even close to that experience. Real strong but very different. Idk why. Ive taken them a few times.
Had those magic tabs here and there a few times in my life, never found em in large supply or consistently
Maybe if i was on the dark web or ehayever3
Hear you can find some fire tabs on those markets
Yeah it's not worth it to debate it, so i just state my opinions as opinions and that's that. Eitherway, yeah on the markets you can get really high quality LSD crystal. Everything from amazing quality fluff, to clear needle crystals, to eggshell xtal, its all there. But there's nobody selling the small "niche" batches that I always find to be the highest quality. They don't make sense from a marketing standpoint.
Why pay 3-4k more per gram for the high quality niche stuff when somebody is already claiming to sell it when they're really selling some random middle grade crystal? The markets will literally character assasinate you, steal your niche market and sell some random crystal as whatever you're actually selling.
There's still a total market for it though. Just honestly my favorite batches have always been the small "niche" stuff. I mean like god damn dude don't get me wrong, there is absolute fire available for 9k a gram. But that niche stuff I love more then anything is always 11-12k a gram.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
#27179955 - 01/31/21 08:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah i just guessed this dude gave out samples of amazing shit then when someone asked for a lot (like me) he gave out the cheaper shit or something
I was so disappointed when i tried it. It was good. But didnt seem the same. Tried it like 3 other times since.
What you say is interesting though about the quality
Ive heard and seen this debated a lot.
My experience says not all tabs are equal. But idk why. Whether dose, chemical, quality. All i know is some shit is dif...
Man i would love to get my hands on a bunch of real quality shit.
Dont get me wrong, very happy and thankful for what i have. Probably 80 tabs or so of this stuff.
Seems like you say, everytime ive gotten real good shit its never been available in bulk
About 3 or 4 times i can think of shit was real quality and always just a few tabs
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Enkidu]
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There's no magical quality that makes LSD different than LSD. LSD is LSD is LSD is LSD, ad infinitum.
Perhaps you view "black goo" LSD as something inferior and gross, and it affects your experience.
Perhaps you rationalize this LSD that you can't find in bulk as "better".
But LSD is LSD. Dosage, set and setting are different, but LSD is LSD.
No need to tell me otherwise, I'm just quoting the world's foremost expert on LSD.
You're just attributing something ineffable about certain LSD. You're saying, "no, not that LSD, THIS LSD", but why limit the experience in this way? What if you get stuck with the "bad"  for the rest of your life? You're gatekeeping LSD by saying there's a mythical nature to some of the LSD you've had. It's unquantifiable.
More than likely, this is your own set and setting, and not some imperceptible nature to the "special" LSD you've had.
I choose to let all the LSD I've had be the good stuff. Because it's all the good stuff. Because it's all LSD. Getting into grades is just silly.
But you're free to see it however you like.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Azure Essence]
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No that dont make sense.
I had that tab then got new ones from the same guy and i expected the same type of thing and not even close. Even 3 tabs were inferior to 1 tab of the other shit.
This dude claims he gets it from a guy who lays it. Somewhere it aint adding up.
Like i said, maybe these tabs from the same guy are a different chemical all together.
Or theres something else to it.
Dont get me wrong. Lsd is a chemical structure.
If its lsd its lsd.
But idgaf about that.
All i know is some tabs were better quality.
I wouldn't say stronger dosed. And maybe they were a different chemical.
But whatever the reason, not all tabs are created equal, and if A is better and B isnt as good then two of B dont = A
But ive only taken acid maybe 50 times or something from idk maybe 20 different batches and sources.
Be hard to say exactly.
Ill come back in 50 years and update this thread with my new expert opinion.
Though at this rate i take lsd maybe a couple times a year now. Less the last couple.
So fuck it.
Seems to be 2 sides. The side that says something is different and the side that says naw it aint.
Either answer doesnt change the others perspective or experience so it matters little.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Enkidu]
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The point isn't the LSD, it's the YOU.
LSD is a car ride to the mountain top. Doesn't matter if there even is an exoerienced difference, because a Ferrari and an old lemon will still get you to the mountain top. LSD is a great tool to get in touch with yourself and saying there is some "better" grade of LSD is missing the point and does a disservice to the experience that should get you in touch with yourself.
Attributing magic qualities to different kinds of LSD misses the point entirely, because the whole experience is about you.
People will be out there searching for the "best" LSD when it was never the point to begin with. Hopefully more people can see that and not worry about the batch they get and they will just get in touch with themselves.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Azure Essence]
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Enkidu]
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Well I was shooting my mouth off before about LSD is LSD, but I have done some reading and that is not necessarily true. Shulgin and others have written about three isomers of LSD that are not psychoactive and can result from improper purifying of the LSD. That still would imply that the LSD is just weaker as a result, but we don't know, maybe the isomers are active to a degree and change the quality of the experience.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Neurotech]
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Eclipse3130]
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However, LSD is LSD.
and impure LSD is improperly synthesized LSD with other ergot alcaloids that affect the expericence. probably you only had proper stuff so far.. good for you. but i also had not so good batches some time ago. you can feel the difference. i'm not talking about 95% vs 98% .. i'm talking about 30% vs 90%
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I mean im in the club that goes with all lsd is not the same.
The above two comments are good reasons for me. Plus my personal experience
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#27183598 - 02/02/21 08:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol lets all start a debate we decided not too by asserting ourselves and not just stating opinions!
azure essence, you are getting too assertive. i'm not dumb, I've read everything there is to read on LSD and have very, very intelligent friends who are chemistry masters who literally design dna for bacteria in top labratories. these people also happened to sell loads of LSD. and they understood the chemistry better then anyone on this forum will (except maybe 1 member). they still absolutely agreed on the fact that there were differences between batches that were more or less desirable.
im not just gonna spout off and say things that are best kept secret. but in my opinion, after having handled many different batches of L and crystal, having bought some for 9k having bought some for 22k, there are massive differences that are worth paying for between batches. now, the batch at 9k is amazing stuff. don't get me wrong. the stuff at 11k is amazing too, dont get me wrong - perhaps its the best I even have right now and have gotten in the last 4-5 years. but the stuff I paid the highest price 5 years ago (when prices were higher anyway) for was absolutely worth it in every way in terms of quality. and its not just me, many people I've met can tell the difference blindly every, single time between batches.
remember, we aren't debating scientific facts. those are facts. we are debating our opinions.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
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I can definitely feel the difference in the quality of acid iv tryed.iv had stuff that made me puke because the come up was so strong an then iv had tabbs where the come up is smooth as butter.
The best tabbs iv had so far are these purple pyramid tabbs with 17k gold flakes. The come up is so smooth an amazing an they slapp really hard an the visuals are beautiful. They are definitely 250 mics.
Thoe iv never been disappointed i can tell bomb acid from acid that hasn't had as much care.
This reminds me of orange sunshine an how it was said to be some of the best acid ever because it was so pure.
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Mach z 800]
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who would want to trust experience when they can instead trust self proclaimed internet forum experts who even e-mailed with real experts?!
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CHUCK.HNTR
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: epilectric]
#27184429 - 02/03/21 12:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are there any chemists here? Would be great to hear form one? Who is synthesizing LSD now is it coming from a foreign overseas lab? This thread kinda makes me want to learn chemistry
TWM it’s cool to hear that you buy directly from lab bros
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Neurotech
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Mach z 800]
#27184443 - 02/03/21 12:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mach z 800 said:
The best tabbs iv had so far are these purple pyramid tabbs with 17k gold flakes. The come up is so smooth an amazing an they slapp really hard an the visuals are beautiful. They are definitely 250 mics.
Did they look like these?
https://www.drugsdata.org/view.php?id=8145
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epilectric
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#27184478 - 02/03/21 12:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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CHUCK.HNTR said:
Are there any chemists here? Would be great to hear form one? Who is synthesizing LSD now is it coming from a foreign overseas lab? This thread kinda makes me want to learn chemistry
TWM it’s cool to hear that you buy directly from lab bros
there's labs in the USA, in netherlands, switzerland, czech, mexico, china... everywhere basically
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Neurotech]
#27184830 - 02/03/21 04:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes they  look really similar
Edited by Mach z 800 (02/03/21 04:45 PM)
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#27185192 - 02/03/21 08:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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CHUCK.HNTR said:
Are there any chemists here? Would be great to hear form one? Who is synthesizing LSD now is it coming from a foreign overseas lab? This thread kinda makes me want to learn chemistry
TWM it’s cool to hear that you buy directly from lab bros
the holly grail to me is lsd crystal iv allways wanted a little piece just to look at every day lol.
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Typerwritermonky
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Re: Does more low quality LSD = high quality LSD? [Re: Mach z 800] 1
#27185397 - 02/03/21 10:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mach z 800 said:
Quote:
CHUCK.HNTR said:
Are there any chemists here? Would be great to hear form one? Who is synthesizing LSD now is it coming from a foreign overseas lab? This thread kinda makes me want to learn chemistry
TWM it’s cool to hear that you buy directly from lab bros
the holly grail to me is lsd crystal iv allways wanted a little piece just to look at every day lol.
I have a tiny little jar with a cork top (like lego sized) with 5mg or so of Nicks crystal I got 7 years ago or so in this little diorama I have displayed in my room.
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