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mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough
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I am wondering how much mushrooms would be needed (dry cubensis) to emulate the dmt flash for the duration of a psilocybin trip.

I want to connect with the highest level of filter dissolution (or perhaps disconnect with the lowest level of filter inhibition) which in my experience is becoming the universe and feeling the sadness/loneliness that the ONE energy experiences. I am convinced that the reason for ego and the individual mind is an attempt to mask this loneliness.

Either way, i want to connect with myself on this level again and it took about 50-100mg of dmt to get there for me. I just wonder how many grams of shrooms it should take.

I am going to probably go with 5 dried grams if i can muster up the courage.

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: underfliptown]
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My first attempt at breaking through was 8 grams. I still didn't get pushed over the edge. Then after many attempts at heroic doses I broke through for the first time at 11 grams. Then I took a 13 gram mushroom and it worked again. Now every 7-10 gram dose I breakthrough. I think the reason why I was able to was because when I took the 11 grams, I had it set in my mind I need to learn how to let go. Question isn't how big of a dose. Question is can you let go? A shroom breakthrough is vastly different from a dmt breakthrough. On shrooms it feels like you're overdosing and you're dying. That's what letting go is. To realize you will die and embrace it. If you fight it you will just go through insanity (bad trip) so until you are ready don't go for it.


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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: Mad Season]
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That sounds intense to say the least.

I think I am ready. But you never can be sure.

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: underfliptown]
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Just be understanding you won't be "shot out of a cannon" you'll be slowly drifting away from everything you ever knew about yourself. The less you remember about yourself the more your mind realizes it's losing you. The fear kicks in and it's here when you gotta say I'm dying. You have to let it happen because you'll be liberated. It's in the top 10 hardest experiences to experience, it still wrecks me every time I do it. Always remember the come up is the worst.


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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: Mad Season]
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7g dry ground to fine powder and at start of peak dose ketamine for OBE

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: Mad Season]
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How do you convince yourself that you aren't really dying?

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: underfliptown]
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I am not interested in dissociatives at all. There is no enlightenment or grand consciousness to reach following that path. Look where it took john lily.

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: underfliptown]
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You shouldn't have to convince yourself. You should realize it needs to be done and you can't stop it. That's usually how it happens. It's completely letting go of everything you ever knew or know about yourself and becoming one with all of consciousness. Just keep that in mind and don't do it til you're 100% sure you're ready to experience it.


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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: Mad Season]
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Letting go really is hard..


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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: Agentchewy]
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You might want to try the tea lemon tek with a large amount. Although the duration is shorter, you'll reach the peak much faster. I don't speak from experience, but in theory if you ingest enough in this manner you might reach the breakthrough point a lot quicker and be able to let go easier.

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: seekeroftruth]
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I wonder if the way to do it is lemon teking and then before the tollerance kicks in redose. That way you get the instant wave from the lemontek plus an extended come up from conventional usage before tollerance kicks in. This seems like the way to get the most high from the mushroom:


I guess this would assume that you would eat the regular dried shrooms pretty much right after thelemon tekd ones. It seems like it could extend shit.

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: underfliptown]
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i would say lemon tek with about 7 grams would be a good start.  the dmt flash is so intense, mushrooms get intense but sometimes even at the 7 gram level it doesnt compare to a dmt breakthrough.

ive chowed down 9 grams dry before, id say that was pretty close at times during the peak.


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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: cubehead87]
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cubehead87 said:
i would say lemon tek with about 7 grams would be a good start.  the dmt flash is so intense, mushrooms get intense but sometimes even at the 7 gram level it doesnt compare to a dmt breakthrough.

ive chowed down 9 grams dry before, id say that was pretty close at times during the peak.


Was it even fun when you were shrooming that hard?

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: underfliptown]
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its been years ago, when i lived in my parents basement. That particular time i had been shrooming 2 or 3 times a week for about 2 months solid. (yes, i know...too much... i found this out).  i had tried to dose daily, but found it a waste considering the amount you had to eat the next day to feel anything period.

so im sure tolerance had an issue.

i remember one time i ate 4 grams and started watching ferngully, and i decided to eat 4 more grams....i remember this to some degree, it was wild!

Specifically when i ate the 2nd dose of 4 grams on top of the other, i was already tripping.  i got these funny ass mental visions in my head as i chewed up the last 4 grams. i could feel them caught in my teeth, and all i could see in my mind was these little helpless distraught shroom guys in my mouth, holding onto my teeth for dear life to keep themselves from swirling down the dark abyss.  haha


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- Albert Hoffman

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: cubehead87]
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man shrooms are crazy!

I need to do it right next time, i think im just gonna eat 5 grams and go biking for the day. Listen to music and shit. But before i do that, sensory deprivation experiments are needed to see the effects on an uninfluenced (i.e biking) trip. That is why the dark room trip is needed first.

Definitely sounds like tollerance was in play there. You should specify those things lol, if someone just read that and thought 9 grams was a normal dose they would... well actually they would prolly have a great time ahaha!:vibin:

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: cubehead87]
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i smoke alot of bud so old memories of trips have kinda turned to a blur somewhat.


i remember profound moments, like when a friend and i were peaking walking down hill coming off a mountain, and a baby deer jumped out of some bushes at us and landed  on its front hooves and slid almost right into me. it made the scariest sound i can still hear till this day.  it was lke a bat,goat, a dying cow,hienna, just a cluster fuck of animasls then it took off running through a perfect cluser of about 200 x-mas trees.



shit lke that tends to burn into your memory pretty good lol


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"Outside is pure energy and colorless substance. All of the rest happens through the mechanism of our senses. Our eyes see just a small fraction of the light in the world. It is a trick to make a colored world, which does not exist outside of human beings."


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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: cubehead87]
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lol yes, my bad on the lack of info.

but hopefully most people are smart enough to read more than one post lol.


we were talking about the intensity of the experiences, IMO 3 good long quick hits of dmt, is more profund than a strong shroom trip.


ive yet to try ayahuasca, which i will be doing in the near future


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- Albert Hoffman

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: cubehead87]
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I have noticed that it almost seems that I am able to communicate with animals when I am tripping on shrooms. I know it sounds crazy but they act almost curious in my state.

Yeah man I am doing ayahuasca very soon. Maybe even before the shrooms.

I plan on using psychotria viridis and banisteriopsis caapi in my brew.

I am yet to look into the ratios of these plants but i know the recipe for now. It would be cool to throw like a couple grams of shrooms in there to make the trip cool but thats totally supplementary for now. The most important part is seeing what it is like at a reasonable dose without any additives.

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: underfliptown]
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underfliptown said:
I am wondering how much mushrooms would be needed (dry cubensis) to emulate the dmt flash for the duration of a psilocybin trip.

I want to connect with the highest level of filter dissolution (or perhaps disconnect with the lowest level of filter inhibition) which in my experience is becoming the universe and feeling the sadness/loneliness that the ONE energy experiences. I am convinced that the reason for ego and the individual mind is an attempt to mask this loneliness.

Either way, i want to connect with myself on this level again and it took about 50-100mg of dmt to get there for me. I just wonder how many grams of shrooms it should take.

I am going to probably go with 5 dried grams if i can muster up the courage.



5 grams can get you there.
3.5 grams and a little weed has gotten me to breakthrough on shrooms before.
It feels exactly like dmt imo

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Re: mushrooms breakthrough compared to dmt breakthrough [Re: cez]
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Did you ever breakthrough on dmt?










































































Are you sure?

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