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OfflineInFecTeD-FuRY
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Smoking Mushrooms???
    #1007607 - 10/30/02 09:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

say i took a lil bit of a stem and smoked it...would that do anything to me, and if it did how long would it last, im just curious to how smoking mushrooms can affect u


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #1007619 - 10/30/02 09:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, it doesn't work, heat breaks down psilocybin/psilocin.  :smirk:  Before I knew this I tried smokin em and they just tasted HORRIBLE.  A friend of mine took a HUGE rip of mushies through my friends gasmask pipe, and he damn near threw up.  Don't try it, it just tastes really bad.  :grin: 


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #1007717 - 10/30/02 09:55 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Try it and tell us what happens. There are plenty of reports of people getting effects from smoking mushrooms, but many narrow-minded dimwits say this is not possible because heat breaks down psilocybin. However mushrooms contain other tryptamines that are active by smoking. I tried smoking a cap once but it was so harsh and disgusting I stopped pretty soon, but if you can smoke enough (not sure how much) then you may well get some efects.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #1007720 - 10/30/02 09:57 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

theres dmt in shrooms and also molokovelocet suspects that some psilocybin could be vaporized and inhaled causes effects. try it without something weed with it


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Eightball]
    #1008029 - 10/30/02 11:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

hmmm maybe ill give it a shot then


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Eightball]
    #1008279 - 10/31/02 12:29 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

heat def breaks the psilocybin down. This is because of oxidation. That is why shrooms bruise blue because the chemicals get exposed to oxygen. They cannot be vaporised by the same means because the chemicals are not stable enough. This only goes for psilocybin wich is the chemical which causes you to trip. As for the other chemicals Im not real sure but I would truely doubt they would have anywhere close to the same effect as psilocybin. Shrooms are to be eaten or chopped up and drank. I would have to say smoking is just a waste.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #1008764 - 10/31/02 03:01 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Don't smoke mushrooms. Its a sin; I don't use the word "sin" very often :wink: 


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1009262 - 10/31/02 06:59 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Why would you?  Maybe if you had a hookah and some GROUND up shrooms, maybe you would have an imparement equal to being "high"...And maybe it only works on caterpillers? :smirk:


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Eightball]
    #1009785 - 10/31/02 12:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

theres dmt in shrooms

I'm not sure if there is. I thought the story was if you add various tryptamines to the mycelia the mushroom can absorb some of the DMT? I don't think DMT naturally occurs in mushrooms.

Anyway, if there is DMT present it would only be in millionths of a gram - you'd need to smoke pounds and pounds of mushrooms to get a decent 30mg hit. And you can't smoke DMT like that anyway - it needs to be 1-2 quick lungfuls.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1009808 - 10/31/02 12:09 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yes there is DMT in mushrooms, in trace amounts.
There are also other typtamine similar compounds, according to this doc:
http://www.shroomery.org/generalinfo.php?doc=5 :
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Indole derivative Amount (microg.)

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5-Benzyloxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4
Gramine 40
3-Hydroxyethyl indole 2
5-Hydroxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
5-Hydroxyindole 4
3-Hydroxymethylindole 2
5-Hydroxytryptamine creatine sulfate [aka Serotonin] 4
5-Hydroxytryptophane 2
Indole 4
3-Indoleacetamide 2
3-Indole acetic acid 2
3-Indoleacetic acid ethyl ester 2
3-Indoleacetonitrile 2
3-Indolealdehyde 40
3-Indoleacetaldehyde 2
3-Indolecarboxylic acid 4
3-Indolelactic acid 2
gamma-(Indole)-N-butyric acid 4
beta-Indole-3-acrylic acid 2
beta-(Indole-3)-propionic acid 4
Indoxylacetate 2
Indoxylbutyrate 2
Isatin 2
5-Methoxy-2-carboxyindole 2
5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4
5-Methoxyindole 4
2-Methylindole 2
3-Methylindole 4
5-Methylindole 4
5-Methyltryptophane 2
N-Methyltryptophane 2
Tryptamine hydrochloride 4
L-Tryptophane 0.8

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[From A.Y. Leung, A.H. Smith, A.G. Paul, "Production of Psilocybin in Psilocybe baeocystis Saprophytic Culture". J Pharm Sci 54: 1576 (1965).]
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Yes, you are right, this wouldn't be a good way to get a hit of DMT.
Some say they get effects from smoking mushrooms, some say it's a waste.
IME I have never gotten any effect from smoking mushrooms (where they are available in Holland).

Good luck



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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1009811 - 10/31/02 12:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I've got to agree with Alex on his debate about the DMT issue..

Smoking shrooms is useless in my opinion, but if you cant fight the curiosity in your head about it then hey man knock yourself out.

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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: TrauM]
    #1009815 - 10/31/02 12:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I never saw Dream's link or last post, I stand corrected.

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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: TrauM]
    #1009847 - 10/31/02 12:31 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Trendel - "It's a waste.
Yes, it will do something to you, but a LOT of the psilocin/psilocybin is destroyed by the heat. So it's a huge waste of mushrooms.
I've heard that smoking them will hit you a lot quicker than normal, though. Think I also heard that the trip doesn't last nearly as long, and isn't very strong (like a mild level 1 trip). "

Erowid - "There continues to be controversy around whether or not smoking psilocybin/psilocin containing mushrooms can produce a psychoactive effect. On the one side, are those who claim to have tried it and experienced effects. On the other are those who state that psilocybin and psilocin break down at low enough temperatures that a flame would destroy them, as well as those who have tried this method and experienced no effects. " http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_smoked.shtml

I have experienced the effects of smoking mushooms... Enough to differ it from placebo. It was a waste, in my opinion, it's much better to just eat them.
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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #1009925 - 10/31/02 01:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4

os not the same as DMT (N,N,dimethyltryptamine).

the same as MDA is nort the same as MMDA.

There is no trytamine in psilocybine mushrooms. They are only related to psiloccine and psilocybine so there are similar physical effects of dmt to psilocine and psilocybine and no you cnanoot get high smoking shrooms.

It seems everyone wants to ruin thier lungs by inhaling chemicals.

When DMT was first synthesized in a laboraory, peolple, like wWilliam Buggoughs and Alan Ginsburg use to inject it intot he muscles of their legs to get high. Later beatniks and poets wold smoke it during lunch breaks in pipes mixed with mint tea leaves or with tobacco. Thud is became known as the business mans high. Thats was before it was discovered that it occurs in over four hundred plants naturally including three carieteis of edible seaweed found of of the coast of Madagascar, Africa.

see Trout's Notes on some Simple Tryptamines and the papers of Dr. Michael Smith fromt he University of Natal, Pretoria, South Africa regardong the DMT in seawweed.
mj.

And bufotonine, also listed as a schedule one drug is in itself not psychoactive. That does not mean that when mixed with other drugs that it cold be a psychoactie sustance when mixed with a particular other drug plant. IT was the DEA who included bufotonine along with the other tryptamine compounds as a schedule one drug.

Look in Sigma and Aldridge Chemical book catalogue for Pants lists as sceduled one drugs by the DEA. At the end of that ection is a second list of Plants not sceduled by the DEA. That is one way to find out what new psychoactive drugs are availabnle tothe public if you know how to ordr them.

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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1010046 - 10/31/02 02:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure if you're right or not:
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4 os not the same as DMT (N,N,dimethyltryptamine).
I have no clue as to the mono-oxolate.

This psilocybin mushroom faq is here at the shroomery and also erowid, it is all over the web.
I also noticed this:

5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4

Bufotenine is 5-hydroxydimethyltryptamine, which according to Jonathon Ott, is psychoactive.

But I do agree, smoking mushrooms is not the way to go.



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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #1026917 - 11/06/02 05:00 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You all lost the plot totally.
I am still going to smoke shrooms and they`re still going to stone me.
I couldn`t care less what anyone thinks.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #1026945 - 11/06/02 05:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Good on you DERRAYLD  :wink:
I don't know why some people try so hard to convince you it's not possible.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #1026971 - 11/06/02 05:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

uhh yeah if you EAT them they'll actually make you trip instead of "stone" you...

But ok have fun - I just see it as an aweful waste of mushies, that's all :smile:

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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1027111 - 11/06/02 07:01 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

a friend of mine actaully smoked a joint once (weed) with shrooms sprinkled on top of the weed. he said he hadnt really felt any differnt than just being high. about an hour later or so, he was gettin a ride home and looked in the mirror in hte visor. He saw his face morph into his moms face and then back to his own. as far as weed is concered me and him smoke ungodly amounts every day of out lives. this def wasnt cuz of the weed. makes u think.......


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: john706]
    #1030237 - 11/06/02 11:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)


That would scare the $#!T out of me. He must have Oedipal issues.


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