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OfflineInFecTeD-FuRY
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Smoking Mushrooms???
    #1007607 - 10/30/02 09:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

say i took a lil bit of a stem and smoked it...would that do anything to me, and if it did how long would it last, im just curious to how smoking mushrooms can affect u


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #1007619 - 10/30/02 09:15 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Nah, it doesn't work, heat breaks down psilocybin/psilocin.  :smirk:  Before I knew this I tried smokin em and they just tasted HORRIBLE.  A friend of mine took a HUGE rip of mushies through my friends gasmask pipe, and he damn near threw up.  Don't try it, it just tastes really bad.  :grin: 


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #1007717 - 10/30/02 09:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Try it and tell us what happens. There are plenty of reports of people getting effects from smoking mushrooms, but many narrow-minded dimwits say this is not possible because heat breaks down psilocybin. However mushrooms contain other tryptamines that are active by smoking. I tried smoking a cap once but it was so harsh and disgusting I stopped pretty soon, but if you can smoke enough (not sure how much) then you may well get some efects.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #1007720 - 10/30/02 09:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

theres dmt in shrooms and also molokovelocet suspects that some psilocybin could be vaporized and inhaled causes effects. try it without something weed with it


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Eightball]
    #1008029 - 10/30/02 11:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

hmmm maybe ill give it a shot then


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Eightball]
    #1008279 - 10/31/02 12:29 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

heat def breaks the psilocybin down. This is because of oxidation. That is why shrooms bruise blue because the chemicals get exposed to oxygen. They cannot be vaporised by the same means because the chemicals are not stable enough. This only goes for psilocybin wich is the chemical which causes you to trip. As for the other chemicals Im not real sure but I would truely doubt they would have anywhere close to the same effect as psilocybin. Shrooms are to be eaten or chopped up and drank. I would have to say smoking is just a waste.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #1008764 - 10/31/02 03:01 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Don't smoke mushrooms. Its a sin; I don't use the word "sin" very often :wink: 


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1009262 - 10/31/02 06:59 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Why would you?  Maybe if you had a hookah and some GROUND up shrooms, maybe you would have an imparement equal to being "high"...And maybe it only works on caterpillers? :smirk:


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Eightball]
    #1009785 - 10/31/02 12:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

theres dmt in shrooms

I'm not sure if there is. I thought the story was if you add various tryptamines to the mycelia the mushroom can absorb some of the DMT? I don't think DMT naturally occurs in mushrooms.

Anyway, if there is DMT present it would only be in millionths of a gram - you'd need to smoke pounds and pounds of mushrooms to get a decent 30mg hit. And you can't smoke DMT like that anyway - it needs to be 1-2 quick lungfuls.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1009808 - 10/31/02 12:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yes there is DMT in mushrooms, in trace amounts.
There are also other typtamine similar compounds, according to this doc:
http://www.shroomery.org/generalinfo.php?doc=5 :
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Indole derivative Amount (microg.)

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5-Benzyloxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4
Gramine 40
3-Hydroxyethyl indole 2
5-Hydroxy-3-indole acetic acid 2
5-Hydroxyindole 4
3-Hydroxymethylindole 2
5-Hydroxytryptamine creatine sulfate [aka Serotonin] 4
5-Hydroxytryptophane 2
Indole 4
3-Indoleacetamide 2
3-Indole acetic acid 2
3-Indoleacetic acid ethyl ester 2
3-Indoleacetonitrile 2
3-Indolealdehyde 40
3-Indoleacetaldehyde 2
3-Indolecarboxylic acid 4
3-Indolelactic acid 2
gamma-(Indole)-N-butyric acid 4
beta-Indole-3-acrylic acid 2
beta-(Indole-3)-propionic acid 4
Indoxylacetate 2
Indoxylbutyrate 2
Isatin 2
5-Methoxy-2-carboxyindole 2
5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4
5-Methoxyindole 4
2-Methylindole 2
3-Methylindole 4
5-Methylindole 4
5-Methyltryptophane 2
N-Methyltryptophane 2
Tryptamine hydrochloride 4
L-Tryptophane 0.8

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[From A.Y. Leung, A.H. Smith, A.G. Paul, "Production of Psilocybin in Psilocybe baeocystis Saprophytic Culture". J Pharm Sci 54: 1576 (1965).]
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Yes, you are right, this wouldn't be a good way to get a hit of DMT.
Some say they get effects from smoking mushrooms, some say it's a waste.
IME I have never gotten any effect from smoking mushrooms (where they are available in Holland).

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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1009811 - 10/31/02 12:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I've got to agree with Alex on his debate about the DMT issue..

Smoking shrooms is useless in my opinion, but if you cant fight the curiosity in your head about it then hey man knock yourself out.

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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: TrauM]
    #1009815 - 10/31/02 12:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I never saw Dream's link or last post, I stand corrected.

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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: TrauM]
    #1009847 - 10/31/02 12:31 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Trendel - "It's a waste.
Yes, it will do something to you, but a LOT of the psilocin/psilocybin is destroyed by the heat. So it's a huge waste of mushrooms.
I've heard that smoking them will hit you a lot quicker than normal, though. Think I also heard that the trip doesn't last nearly as long, and isn't very strong (like a mild level 1 trip). "

Erowid - "There continues to be controversy around whether or not smoking psilocybin/psilocin containing mushrooms can produce a psychoactive effect. On the one side, are those who claim to have tried it and experienced effects. On the other are those who state that psilocybin and psilocin break down at low enough temperatures that a flame would destroy them, as well as those who have tried this method and experienced no effects. " http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_smoked.shtml

I have experienced the effects of smoking mushooms... Enough to differ it from placebo. It was a waste, in my opinion, it's much better to just eat them.
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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #1009925 - 10/31/02 01:18 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4

os not the same as DMT (N,N,dimethyltryptamine).

the same as MDA is nort the same as MMDA.

There is no trytamine in psilocybine mushrooms. They are only related to psiloccine and psilocybine so there are similar physical effects of dmt to psilocine and psilocybine and no you cnanoot get high smoking shrooms.

It seems everyone wants to ruin thier lungs by inhaling chemicals.

When DMT was first synthesized in a laboraory, peolple, like wWilliam Buggoughs and Alan Ginsburg use to inject it intot he muscles of their legs to get high. Later beatniks and poets wold smoke it during lunch breaks in pipes mixed with mint tea leaves or with tobacco. Thud is became known as the business mans high. Thats was before it was discovered that it occurs in over four hundred plants naturally including three carieteis of edible seaweed found of of the coast of Madagascar, Africa.

see Trout's Notes on some Simple Tryptamines and the papers of Dr. Michael Smith fromt he University of Natal, Pretoria, South Africa regardong the DMT in seawweed.
mj.

And bufotonine, also listed as a schedule one drug is in itself not psychoactive. That does not mean that when mixed with other drugs that it cold be a psychoactie sustance when mixed with a particular other drug plant. IT was the DEA who included bufotonine along with the other tryptamine compounds as a schedule one drug.

Look in Sigma and Aldridge Chemical book catalogue for Pants lists as sceduled one drugs by the DEA. At the end of that ection is a second list of Plants not sceduled by the DEA. That is one way to find out what new psychoactive drugs are availabnle tothe public if you know how to ordr them.

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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1010046 - 10/31/02 02:15 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure if you're right or not:
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine hydrogen-oxalate [aka DMT] 4 os not the same as DMT (N,N,dimethyltryptamine).
I have no clue as to the mono-oxolate.

This psilocybin mushroom faq is here at the shroomery and also erowid, it is all over the web.
I also noticed this:

5-Methoxydimethyltryptamine monooxalate [aka Bufotenine] 4

Bufotenine is 5-hydroxydimethyltryptamine, which according to Jonathon Ott, is psychoactive.

But I do agree, smoking mushrooms is not the way to go.



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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #1026917 - 11/06/02 05:00 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You all lost the plot totally.
I am still going to smoke shrooms and they`re still going to stone me.
I couldn`t care less what anyone thinks.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #1026945 - 11/06/02 05:09 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Good on you DERRAYLD  :wink:
I don't know why some people try so hard to convince you it's not possible.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #1026971 - 11/06/02 05:20 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

uhh yeah if you EAT them they'll actually make you trip instead of "stone" you...

But ok have fun - I just see it as an aweful waste of mushies, that's all :smile:

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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1027111 - 11/06/02 07:01 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

a friend of mine actaully smoked a joint once (weed) with shrooms sprinkled on top of the weed. he said he hadnt really felt any differnt than just being high. about an hour later or so, he was gettin a ride home and looked in the mirror in hte visor. He saw his face morph into his moms face and then back to his own. as far as weed is concered me and him smoke ungodly amounts every day of out lives. this def wasnt cuz of the weed. makes u think.......


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: john706]
    #1030237 - 11/06/02 11:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)


That would scare the $#!T out of me. He must have Oedipal issues.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1030310 - 11/07/02 12:01 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You are one smart dude.

Hats off.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: vildechayea]
    #3562602 - 12/30/04 08:55 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I smoked shrooms once, and I had the worst trip I've ever had. I was lying on my mate's balcony swearing at the "fuckin' teddy bears" for a fair few hours. Kind of put me off smokin' them again...


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: xCURIOUSx]
    #3562660 - 12/30/04 09:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

back in high school we would smoke stupid things like codine (tylonel - 4) and 'white rock opium' (which was probably not opium) and percieve effects from it.
for the purpose of this discussion i dont think specific chemicals are as important as saying,
if you smoke them, you might feel somthing - inefficent
if you eat them, you will trip - efficent


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Xlea321]
    #3562947 - 12/30/04 10:23 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Xlea321 said:
theres dmt in shrooms

I'm not sure if there is. I thought the story was if you add various tryptamines to the mycelia the mushroom can absorb some of the DMT? I don't think DMT naturally occurs in mushrooms.

Anyway, if there is DMT present it would only be in millionths of a gram - you'd need to smoke pounds and pounds of mushrooms to get a decent 30mg hit. And you can't smoke DMT like that anyway - it needs to be 1-2 quick lungfuls.





DMT is in mushroom but its in the micro gram range.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: sui]
    #3563163 - 12/30/04 11:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

This thread is stupid.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: BorgFace]
    #3567013 - 01/01/05 01:13 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

*keep in mind when reading that i didnt read any of this, only the topic

i personally eat about 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 grams dried, depending on the plan, wait about twenty minutes, and smoke a bongload of crumbled caps, for me, it seems to expedite the effects, i may be wrong, but i think it works.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: incubaby_421]
    #3568103 - 01/01/05 02:10 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Has anyone tried VAPORIZING shrooms? :eek:


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #3568137 - 01/01/05 02:28 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #3568520 - 01/01/05 06:30 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

just eat em...


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: FuckedUp]
    #3568717 - 01/01/05 07:57 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

first of all there is DMT, in one form or another, in every living organism on this planet, it is part of our fabric.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: incubaby_421]
    #3575956 - 01/03/05 07:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

PLEASE do not attempt to smoke psilocybe mushrooms. psilocybin and psilocin molocules both break up with heat above 160 F. this causes for an ineffective attempt at tripping.if you do this you will be wasting good mushrooms that i could be eating so plaese dont do it.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Captain_Tripps]
    #3576358 - 01/03/05 09:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Am I the only one getting tired of these kinds of questions? I mean, I know many people don't know much about these substances and are trying to learn........but i've found myself answering the same questions a ridiculous amount of times.....people really need to start reading and researching this stuff. By the time I discovered the Shroomery I already knew this shit......and I didn't even look at the message boards until I was bored of re-reading the same stuff on Erowid and the Shroomery hundreds of times over. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything.....but these questions are starting to drive me nuts.  :nut: :crazy: :laugh:


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #7329807 - 08/24/07 03:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Psilocybin and heat article on Erowid:
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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Kras]
    #7329894 - 08/24/07 03:49 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Psilocybin extraction + free base pipe

When i have free time 4 sure!

I Also got a vaporizer but the mush i have are for eating.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Infested]
    #7329917 - 08/24/07 03:53 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Can't smoke psilcybian mushrooms but you sure as hell can smoke Amanita muscaria


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    #7329951 - 08/24/07 04:04 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Why the hell this thread have so many views!!!

Lol and yeah smoke amanita muscaria with weed. I should buy some extract.


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    #7330093 - 08/24/07 04:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Whats smoking Amanita like? Does it really work?


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Znaps]
    #7330112 - 08/24/07 05:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

yes it really works...

It makes you feel like your in a dream...


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7330141 - 08/24/07 05:09 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Placebo effect


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: TTT]
    #7330390 - 08/24/07 06:16 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Smoking amanitas does work. Goes very nicely with weed.

Saying "psilocybin breaks down with heat" is misleading. If you smoke it, you expose it to flame and cause the chemicals to burn, not just heat. If you heat it (as in cooking) the shrooms are at least as potent, and probably more so since the shrooms can be digested if cooked. For my last trip I cooked 6 dry grams (normal for me) in some soup and then ate/drank. I tripped harder than I ever had before, including full sound distortions, time loops, and more. And this batch had no greater potency, it was crumbs taken from a bag of dried and crushed shrooms.

I've done it enough times now, that I can say with certainty that I trip harder off of cooked shrooms than raw. Only disadvantage is the trips seem to go on for too damn long.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Infested]
    #7330507 - 08/24/07 06:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Infested said:
Why the hell this thread have so many views!!!






its old as hell


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Atheist]
    #7330513 - 08/24/07 07:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

is dumb, retarded, stupid, noobish
dont ever do it


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: InFecTeD-FuRY]
    #8604489 - 07/07/08 05:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

smoking a spore of a shroom can cause cancer. very unlikely youll get it smoking them a couple of times.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: kerrda]
    #8604519 - 07/07/08 05:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Smoking anything can cause cancer......

But then, So does substitute sugar... the pollution in the air...... the suns rays becuz of the depleting ozone layer.......

And dont forget all the bacteria too..... E.coli on spinach and taco bell food. Salmonella on our strawberries and tomatos.

Plus, everyone in america is obese, less educated and divorced.

War and rumors of war, economical problems, a government that hasnt been for the people in a long long time.

If smoking a mushroom is what you want to do..... go for it. It isnt like cancer is the worst thing in the world.


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Shad0w]
    #8604566 - 07/07/08 05:32 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Just eat them. :grin:


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Transatlantic]
    #8604570 - 07/07/08 05:33 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Prob a much better idea. :tongue:


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: Shad0w]
    #8604572 - 07/07/08 05:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

wow... I get to use this twice in one day!


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: endepth]
    #8604588 - 07/07/08 05:37 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

How did this thread ever get to 3 pages long?


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #8604594 - 07/07/08 05:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Prob the same way that we are heading for 4!

I only read the last post.....


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: endepth]
    #8605204 - 07/07/08 08:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:

Seriosly though, whats up with all the year old (and in many cases, several years old) threads getting randomly bumped for no reason lately?

(especially a thread about smoking mushrooms :rolleyes:)


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Re: Smoking Mushrooms??? [Re: kerrda]
    #8608928 - 07/08/08 06:33 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

kerrda said:
smoking a spore of a shroom can cause cancer. very unlikely youll get it smoking them a couple of times.




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