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obe's and sleep paralysis?
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Around 15 I began having a number of odd experiences as I slept. The first experience seemed to set up or make way for the rest.
  It was a regular day, I got home and went straight for the couch. I was laying for a while with my eyes closed when I began to hear a faint ringing, I shrugged it off but it was still there. This ringing in my head became louder and turned to a buzzing, at first only in my head then it seemed to take over my whole self. I could feel my feet rising up into the air, with my head still in place. By this point the buzzing is really intense and all of the sudden it felt as if there was an electric explotion for lack of a better word. I opened my eyes i was startled. The experience was enough for me to take the rest of the day to retreat into wonder.
  Since that day, over the years ive had tons of weird experiences including waking up in sleep paralysis 2-5 times a week, which leads to very strange but vivid dreams of all different sorts. (Has it pros cons)
People ive shared experiences with swear to me that what I'm experiencing is some form of obe. While I don't put the idea down I'm not exactly sure of it either, on account of my lack of knowledge in this subject.
I was just posting here to see who else experiences this, and as i have no knowledge of what ive been experiencing if anyone has anything to say about the subject, any info, advise, experience, anything go ahead.
thanks.


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Edited by shroomerduper420 (03/06/13 02:54 PM)

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: shroomerduper420]
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It's quite profound. We cannot all be having the same lucid dream. There has been some research which showed stimulating a part of the brain directly (it's so crude) can cause an out of body feeling, but to actually feel your feet coming out of the body like you did, and I know exactly what you mean, is no brain dysfunction. It is a real experience and anyone that has the experience has pretty much just found out we are spirit beings and that the body is some kind of outer shell.


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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: circastes]
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Thanks for the reply.
What is the experience like for you?


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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: shroomerduper420]
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Utterly strange. Utterly strange. The universe seems like a setup. Holographic recreations of objects in my past in my current house, a feeling of being divine and at home in the universe, able to walk sometimes but often I just float and I collide with things and feel unbelievable pain, my face changes expression without my will, other times I start to vibrate at the Hz of the matter I move through (sometimes I can move through), I move in a way that is so well designed it's like I slither into the upright position without a sense of gravity, and then I walk like some kind of god, a quick pace co-ordinated with a body of extreme power, in the immobile ones or the sleep paralysis things attack me in this stupid way. It's all so so strange.

We are not ordinary things. Nothing in nature is ordinary. We are in nature.


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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: circastes]
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I think the time will come when we recognise we are truly profound creatures with eternal lifespans, and that this physical universe is really just an organisation of consciousness (Yourself) and so isn't even fixed, it is a field with frequencies corresponding to whole other perspectives or day I say dimensions.


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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: circastes]
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The first time I came outa my body I knew it was for real.  The whole extreme vibration and sense of loosening up like a screw then POW !  It is borderline confirming alot of speculations that I have had.  Nevertheless still being a human apparently

it certainly brings up questions, but more than anything makes life feel deflated, sorta staged

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: jackSpearows] * 1
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Yeah I know the staged thing. Weird...

But then I figure the answer is everything is imagination. Reality is an imagination engine, your imagination engine.


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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: circastes] * 1
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Check out Tom Campbell's Calgary Lecture -


Tom Campbell was a nuclear physcisct who Robert Monroe (Creator of term OBE) hired to help scientifically verify that OBE was an objective phenonema.

They developed the Hemi-Sync technology together which is rather common now with binaural beats to OBE.

Tom has over 30 years of OBE experience and in my opinion is the first scientist to breakdown the mysticism into an overall larger metaphysical model of existence.

From his analysis he has come to the conclusion that consciousness is more fundamental than matter, consciousness is an information field, information is data, and that it simulates these "virtual realities" within itself to evolve.

A fractal comparison would be cells, there was a fundamental single-celled consciousness and it split itself into two to process information more efficiently.

This splitting of consciousness cells has gone on ever since and your consciousness is just a part of this chain of consciousness evolution.

As consciousness you have access to all of consciousness which is why when you go OBE you are "switching the channel on your tv" and can access limitless other reality frames within consciousness.

Psychedelics affect your consciousness so they also change the channel for you but you do not have control of where you go so mastering OBE is in a way taking control of the remote and changing it yourself whenever you want.

I highly recommend the lecture and any other Tom Cambell media you can find.

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: Wax Lyrical]
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Tom Campbell is a cool guy and I like what I understand.

*tangent*

We're going to find out God did create all this after all.


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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: Wax Lyrical] * 1
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Great to hear you know of Tom circastes.

"in the immobile ones or the sleep paralysis things attack me in this stupid way."

The entities that attack you are fear tests, the system has safety procedures in place to keep beings out of the non-physical realm.

Being attacked by entities while under sleep paralysis is one program that is run, others are demons standing over your bed, others can be grey aliens or banging on the door by someone you know yelling to quickly come and help.

Dragging chains and small creatures holding you down are also common fear test scenarios that occur.

They all have the same design, something that creates fear blocking you from moving on in your non-physical journey and to keep you from trying to go OBE again.

Once you see them as this, you can let go of any fear and they will disappear thus the first test is passed and you are given access to the next level.

There are many safety procedures like this built into the system and once you let go of all your fear and accept what is with love and fearlessness you get free access to go wherever, whenever you like.

They are just safety precautions to keep those with fear out of very scary realms (that you might say resemble hell) before they are ready.

The system is very well designed.

*God* Bless.

Edited by Wax Lyrical (03/09/13 04:30 AM)

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: Wax Lyrical]
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Wow! That makes a shitload of sense... wow.


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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: circastes]
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What is this construct trying to do, in clear terms? "Reduce it's overall entropy" is a really physicist-oriented metaphor and doesn't make a meaningful description for me.


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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: Wax Lyrical]
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The goal is to evolve consciousness, if you look at the cells in your body they all cooperate totally to form us.

We are sparks of consciousness given free will to grow towards love, love being the most optimal form of cooperation.

Where you cooperate completely for the systems benefit, not because you are forced to but because you love it, and want to see it grow, as it is you and you are it.

These reality frames are experience trainers for sparks of consciousness to learn to cooperate, through free will reincarnating again and again until we get to the level where we can move on.

Think of it like a schoolhouse, some consciousness here are doing love algebra and some are still doing their love ABC's and those of use doing algebra can't believe the things that the ABC kids are doing to the school.

Without free will it is determinism and determinism has no growth opportunities it is just an automaton running a process.

We are here to learn to become cooperative consciousness cells in a higher consciousness cell, thus improving its capacity to evolve and cooperate with higher consciousness cells and so on.

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: shroomerduper420]
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Have had them regularly a few times a year since I was 10-12.

At around 12 I had the worst sleep paralysis I've ever experienced

I saw a demon face by the window, then it wen't into my room, could feel its presence, then it came over and sat on my chest while I could look it in the eyes, but I couldn't move or scream

Thought I was awake(could hear,feel,see it), and I was sure I was gonna die.

Probably didn't sleep properly for a week after it.

Have had it since then, about 5-6 months ago
but usually it just feels like something 'evil' comes into my room
I usually see shadows too when it happens

sometimes it comes down on me or feels like it sits on me

tried sleeping on my stomach once (I realized lucid dreams are easier when sleeping on back or stomach)
then it happened too, I could feel something sitting on my back but I couldn't move - got really paranoid.

the good thing is that lucid draeming/separation from the body usually happen after the sleep paralysis for me


sometimes if lucky I can go right into a lucid dream from being awake if I relax and use binaural beats.

feels like something heavy on me/my body is asleep, then I start to hear weird noises then everything shakes, then I can sometimes separate from my body (but not very often).


I had a sleep paralysis kinda experience recently too, felt some presense in my room (and saw shadows), coming down on me, then it left and went out into the kitchen, could still feel it there.
Felt like something 'evil' out there.. weird.

But it is usually terrifying, until separation from the body happens.


My last OBE/SP I was sure I was awake
some black shadow came down on me, and had intense fear for a while
then it  left and wen't into the kitchen (could still feel it there)
then I quickly ran to the kitchen (as the light switch is there)
but the light switch didn't work (and I didn't recognize it as a dream sign)
then I wen't into my room to change the light bulb
but still no light

then I started becoming light and could jump around, then lastly floating towards the ceiling  and remembered I dreamed, so I could fly out into the garden :smile:

Edited by lessismore (03/09/13 08:12 AM)

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: lessismore]
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That first SP experience I had was worse than my worst bad trip on shrooms or lsd (and have had 2 really bad trips)

Full hallucinations of some entity in my room (I was sure I was awake, but I was paralyzed), that came in and sat on me so I couldn't breathe and could look it into its eyes, it felt very 'evil' - and looked like a demon (had never seen a demon before).

but couldn't move or scream

I still remember it like it was yesterday, 15 years later.

out of body experiences are even better than any psychedelic trip I have had though, so I think risking a few SP states are worth for getting a LD once in a while.

Edited by lessismore (03/09/13 08:14 AM)

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: lessismore]
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The weird thing with my lucid dreams is that even though I can sometimes separate from my body and fly around

something always seems to chase me, even in the air

some not too friendly presense of some sort it seems, I always try to get away from it.

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: lessismore]
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The sleep paralysis seems to get less and less fearful the more you experience it, I think (but you still don't remember you're dreaming when you have it)

but it is still not very pleasant, always feels like something evil is in my room.

and I don't think I have had it once without seeing the shadows too.

I don't hallucinate/see shadows when I am awake I think :smile:

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: Wax Lyrical]
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When you turn around and stop running from the presence and face it without fear it will dissipate and you will be done with that level of the non-physical and can finally move on.

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: Wax Lyrical]
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Wow Thanks :smile:

that is exactly what worked for me once I had a SP experience (and also lucid dream with something chasing me) - had just forgotten it!

Once I knew I was dreaming I could just face my fear and it wen't away.


Sometimes I can fly around for hours, and not know that I am dreaming :smile:
So it can still be fearful even then
it would often chase me in the air for the whole dream

some other times it chases me up stairs through a building and I jump out of the windows to escape (usually some place where I lived), then I realize I am dreaming, but it still chases me.
I guess it is because it is easier to just try to fly away
but even if I fly for hours it still seems to be there most of the time, right behind me, in the air.
Facing it right away is probably better.

Edited by lessismore (03/09/13 08:22 AM)

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Re: obe's and sleep paralysis? [Re: lessismore]
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I had some episode with some presense in my apartment that wen't into the entrance as well and stayed there, could feel it

I tried to face my fear there by going into the room

as soon as I went there everything got bright white, I couldn't see a thing, but it felt like it was attacking me (the fear got too much), not very pleasant

so I went out again, then I could see again.

there were also various insects in the roof of the entrance and like a portal of some kind, they came down into the room :smile:

kinda weird dream.

in the end I got lucid somehow and flew out through the back entrance.

until lucid I always think I am fully awake.
I never remember to check light switches,watches  or question how I got here or if the reality looks plausible etc.
(but used to be better at it as a kid, had more LDs back then)

Edited by lessismore (03/09/13 08:36 AM)

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