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Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? * 4
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A ten fucking year build up and then total quiet? :crankey:

Come on you Mckenna fans, you Photon Beltists, you Apocalypters, you Nuburites! Make your case for why nothing apparent happened and why it will happen 'soon'.


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
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OrgoneConclusion said:
A ten fucking year build up and then total quiet? :cranky:

Come on you, Mckenna fans, you Photon Beltists, you Apocalypters, you Nuburites! Make your case for why nothing apparent happened and why it will happen 'soon'.


I think you should have quit at 30,000 posts.  This shit is getting old.


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: LunarEclipse] * 1
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There is no quit in me. :shrug:



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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
There is no quit in me. :shrug:




It's like when I scoop a hand at the table.  You could hear the crickets if a train wasn't going by and chips clicking.


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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what prophecy? doomsday prophecies were the spew of modern man, not mayan man.

mayan calendars were based on movements of celestial bodies. there was no prophecy or prediction, just a cycle of planetary movements.

credence was given to the maya because of their accuracy regarding astronomy and the placement of celestial bodies.

why the animosity toward theories and alternative thinking? for the one hundred times someone is incorrect, only one abstract thought with credibility may push science and society forward with positive results.


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: desert father]
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desert father said:
what prophecy? doomsday prophecies were the spew of modern man, not mayan man.

mayan calendars were based on movements of celestial bodies. there was no prophecy or prediction, just a cycle of planetary movements.

credence was given to the maya because of their accuracy regarding astronomy and the placement of celestial bodies.

why the animosity toward theories and alternative thinking? for the one hundred times someone is incorrect, only one abstract thought with credibility may push science and society forward with positive results.


OP used to be a cool dood until the Ananda experience.  Well there was a couple other things but I think that was the one that really broke his spirit.  Course not having known him then this is all speculation.


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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There's a next mayan summer ! The circle repeats :crazy2:


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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The what? Some charlatan false guru took his money or something?


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: yeah]
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yeah said:
The what? Some charlatan false guru took his money or something?


Stole his hope.  He became hopeless.

:winner:


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: LunarEclipse] * 1
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Yeah I'm not aware of any specific prophecies, just that a large cycle of time was ending.  But for the sake of discussion:

Perhaps whatever is going to happen did really start on 12/21/12.  Like say, the antichrist was born.  Or maybe the internet became conscious and you just weren't cool enough for it to talk to.  We won't know it until we have the benefit of hindsight.

Or maybe we don't know the Mayan calendar system as well as we thought.  Maybe there is some missing variable that is necessary for an accurate translation to Western dates, and all this time 12/21/12 was never the real end date for this baktun.

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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Mr Person] * 1
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Just saw a vid yesterday about cognitive dissonance. In it it was said that religious people always find a way to explain away why the apocalypse didn't come.

In any case, to me the world did end and I wrote about it. It was never about the world exploding please let go of such dumb notions everyone. An ending to the world is by default a personal experience, something you want to have happening to you. Because you want change in your life.

It is really bad that no one thought of this. The world is ending, for us all, every second. Every second our bodies decay further and further till some part of it breaks beyond repair and we die. The world is ending right now!

When 21-12-12 crept closer I felt my life ticking away so to say. Everything becomes loaded with a potency, provided by the passage of time, cause everything I did was the last thing I ever did. It is hard to keep that feeling going. The world is ending but we just deny it because modern western man, and perhaps many other peoples on Earth too, cannot cope very well with this notion. We are taught from birth to deny our own mortality. It is considered bad for parents to tell children early on in their life they will die. Instead, when a child asks when grandmom passed away, that she is alive but in heaven, or something abstract that a child doesn't really understand. And if the child is smart enough to ask if dad is going to die, we lie and be vague about it in some way and distract and manipulate the child away from the subject.

In school death is not taught as a topic. And imagine the shock when a class mate dies. Disease, car crash, whatever. These days a host of child psychologists and other trauma 'catchers' move into the classroom to deal with the emergency of kids realizing one can die. The horror of knowing! And so kids are encouraged to talk about it lest they be traumatized.

We do everything to deny our own mortality and one day we have to face it, we look into the coffin and see the face of death and as we sit there drinking our drug of choice or smoking it we pass stories of the faithfully departed as if he were still alive, we berry or burn em to get rid of the evidence, split up the estate, throw away what makes up a life, keep what we may use, because, of course, personal gain outweighs even the denial of death, if only temporary - and move on, surpressing what just happened to remind us of our own mortality.

The end of the world is something no one really liked to discuss. I saw precious little on the news, people are so self-absorbed in current affairs the news didn't even reach them. The end of the world sounds too close to personal demise. And we cannot be reminded. Preferably we laugh at it because of its absurdity. We laugh or denounce Mayan prophecies and any other of that sort. And we see proof that it never happens: the world is still here.

But it is not. Since 21-12-12 almost a month has passed, meaning we are a month of our total lifespan closer to the end of the world. A month we will never get back, we cannot relive it, we cannot change what we did. To all intends and purposes that month of our lives is deceased, thinking that if all the months that are the sum total of our existence, that life is the process of losing life until death comes, then any month or day or hour that passes and that is lost to us is the death of us measured by the passage of time. The world is ending continuously.

I do believe that if we live life in the full awareness of our mortality that every thing and every day gets a sublime potency. There are eternities within every moment. To deny your mortality is to race towards death.

I think we should celebrate the end of the world every year on 21-12, in honor of McKenna, the Mayans and take every astronomical event as a moment of contemplation that again we lost part of our life to time. It is not because we have to do that, but because we should want to remind ourselves to live in the presence of the Grim Reaper, who's bony finger points not at the Gates of Death but at the Path of Life.

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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Vaipen]
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In any case, to me the world did end and I wrote about it. It was never about the world exploding please let go of such dumb notions everyone.


Never saw that written anywhere here. Strawman much?

Instead we should all adopt your notions of the world ending? No.

An apocalypse is NOT an internal thing, but a calamitous event happening to a mass of people. Let's not redefine words here arbitrarily.


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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http://spiritualemergency.blogspot.com/2006/01/inner-apocalypse.html

It happens.

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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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It's the Republicans fault

:cookiemonster:

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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Vaipen]
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Quote:
Just saw a vid yesterday about cognitive dissonance. In it it was said that religious people always find a way to explain away why the apocalypse didn't come.


Cognitive dissonance is favorite of mine. It's a useful way of looking at strife on any level.


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why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Rahz]
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Well I actually got to speak with a mayan elder who said that it was the end of an era and the beginning of a new age of man. The mayan belief is that after the end of each cycle (the full calender) a new age/breed of man will appear as the old one slowly sinks into the subcultures. The idea is not a full awakening of man but a new breed of man, one that is more enlightened, and it will continue in a similar cycle until full enlightenment after the 13th cycle concludes. The 13th cycle being the final celestial cycle. The bible's old testament was written in the cycle of icthyes, the new testament during the cycle of the ram, i can't remember what this one is, but i believe we are supposed to be somewhere around the 4th or 5th cycle, i'm not sure. It's somewhat similar to the chinese calender but more complex and expansive. We are on the verge of a change in one of these eras. A transition. That is the idea. Whether it is true or not, you decide. From what I see, it's possible, but if so, america is not going to be the center of this. If anything, it will be small west-asian countries if it does happen or perhaps a few places in europe have the potential. America, or at least the majority of its people though, if this is true, are doomed to ignorance.


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'm a McKenna fan, does not mean that I believed anything he said or expected anything about 2012. One reason I like him is that he often insisted that we should not believe him.

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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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I've noticed the same thing. My post in the Spirituality & Mysticism forum laughing at all the doomsday prophets attracted none of the usual angry responses from self-righteous sages delivering half-baked circular arguments.


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Re: Why the hush on The Mayan Prophecy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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In any case, to me the world did end and I wrote about it. It was never about the world exploding please let go of such dumb notions everyone.


Never saw that written anywhere here. Strawman much?

Instead we should all adopt your notions of the world ending? No.

An apocalypse is NOT an internal thing, but a calamitous event happening to a mass of people. Let's not redefine words here arbitrarily.


In the press and in the minds of most people, either because of the press or not, the idea has risen that the 'end of the world' must be some sort of cataclysmic event in which we all die some horrible death. Apocalyptic 'biblical' visions. But this is very much related to western christian ideas, hence the tern 'biblical'. It is christian eschatology.

But the Maya weren't christians.

What is implied here in the posts of many, I suppose, 'disbelievers' is that they assume all people who thought the world would end thought it wold sort of explode or that a meteor would impact the Earth. Most people out there thought that this is what the 'believers' were into. On the shroomery people are a little more nuanced. We thought about it as a major shift in consciousness or something like that. But the sceptics never even beleived that would happen.

Somehow it was regarded as that we would all experience it in the same way, that it would be an external event. But if you take biblical parables and imagery and dogma and look at it, it looks to me like a very much watered down approach to spirituality, which is an internal event. Think about things like the frequent images of mushrooms in medieval cathedrals, the more or less recent ideas about Jesus being a mushroom. The teachings of Jesus are taken by our society as a model for how to 'do' society.  But the very early christians, either under influence of a mushroom or not, had a more hard core no bling spirituality then what later developped in 'the church'.

So, if most people take the 'end of the world' as an eschatological event of some sort I can't help that, they got it wrong, influenced by Christian notions of the apocalypse.
Since christians did not adopt the Maya calender and as such has no stake in the end of the world on 21-12-12, the whole idea about an external cataclysm is a flawed notion. But if the end of the world is an internal event, which I believe comes much closer to original spiritual beliefs, then anyone saying triumphantly on 22-12-12 'we are still here' didn't get it. Because to say that means you thought it was about some external event and that it didn't occur. It is implied automatically within that statement.

No one has to adopt anything, but I find that the whole christian aspect of it made it inaccessible to most people. No  one likes to blow up and most would not even like to 'transcend into hyperspace'. People are too scared for something that big. And so they threw the idea aside, said nothing was going to happen...and voila! It did not. But it did not because they didn't reach for it. Such a shame.

Ah well. We can just wait another 26.000 year for another galactic alignment, right? Point is, we should have grabbed that date with both hands and feet because we should have WANTED something to occur. Well I did grab it and made the most of it even though all of us who did try to expect something and let something in, had too little weight in numbers behind it to compensate for the christian perception overshadowing the event.

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