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WTF is the Mayan Prophecy?
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Hundreds of thousands of posts all across the internet, several books, dedicated websites, but not a single clear prophecy other than "something novel will happen".
Even the believers have no consensus.
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Well, basically without all the added dogma, the Mayans calculated that 2012 was the starting of a new age according to the position of the stars and the galaxies. Everything else is speculation as to what this "new age" means for humanity.
I don't believe in prophecies, because I think the future is always malleable, at least from our level of awareness. I believe in possibilities.
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I pretty much ignore everything and everyone that is over a thousand years old. Sure, guys like Plato and others were great philosophers, but so many modern philosophers have taken their ideas and either augmented them or torn them to pieces.
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EternalCowabunga said: Well, basically without all the added dogma, the Mayans calculated that 2012 was the starting of a new age according to the position of the stars and the galaxies. Everything else is speculation as to what this "new age" means for humanity.
Emphasis on "new age."
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The Mayans were not philosophers. They were astronomers.
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"something novel will happen".
I never read it. Is it like a Harry Potter book?
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I pretty much ignore everything
This is a good philosophy and I am trying to adopt it myself.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Icelander]
#7877948 - 01/14/08 11:52 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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That's ignorant
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Thanks for your support.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Icelander]
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Despite the publicity generated by the 2012 date, Susan Milbraath, curator of Latin American Art and Archaeology at the Florida Museum of Natural History, stated that "We [the archaeological community] have no record or knowledge that [the Maya] would think the world would come to an end" in 2012.[12]
"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Fla. To render Dec. 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Veritas]
#7878112 - 01/14/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Killjoy!
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OrgoneConclusion said: Hundreds of thousands of posts all across the internet, several books, dedicated websites, but not a single clear prophecy other than "something novel will happen".
A prophecy that does not fufill your standard of expectation of substansiveness is still a prophecy.
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Sorry, but saying "something will happen" on a day when trillions of things will be happening does not constitute a prophecy.
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Predicting that something will happen tomorrow, followed with the inevitably of something happening tomorrow, is a prophecy, no matter how simple or obvious.
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I think the term "prophecy" is generally a bit more complex that. You're just being a smart alec.
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Did the Mayans claim to be prophets....?
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7878901 - 01/14/08 03:52 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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I'm a believer in the transcendental object at the end of time pulling us all closer and eventually making itself known on 2012.
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Care to translate from McKenna-speak to English?
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Veritas]
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Despite the publicity generated by the 2012 date, Susan Milbraath, curator of Latin American Art and Archaeology at the Florida Museum of Natural History, stated that "We [the archaeological community] have no record or knowledge that [the Maya] would think the world would come to an end" in 2012.[12]
"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Fla. To render Dec. 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar
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2012 is supposed to be a great transformation.
There WILL be a transformation. Maybe not exactly on Dec 21, 2012. But definately sometime soon, before the half century mark.
The inevitabilty of an absolute transformation is obvious. The whole structure that we live in s ever so fragile.
Due to the connections of the absurdity of current world events, where we're headed, and the date of the end of the Mayan calendar, we are able to understand what the whole fuss is about.
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2012 has more to do with the internet than the Mayans. The Mayans do not and have not ever had such a prophecy.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Ginseng1]
#7879679 - 01/14/08 06:30 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Is your avatar Michael Jackson after his next surgery and skin bleach?
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From what I have heard... McKenna himself thought it was all silly.
He just found a mathematic equation that almost matched the Mayan calendar and thought it was kinda' neat... and since he was on his deathbed... he made some wild predictions. I never heard him claim his predictions were anything more than a silly theory.
Now, people who never heard him speak are running wild with 2012 fever.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said: From what I have heard... McKenna himself thought it was all silly.
He just found a mathematic equation that almost matched the Mayan calendar and thought it was kinda' neat... and since he was on his deathbed... he made some wild predictions. I never heard him claim his predictions were anything more than a silly theory.
Now, people who never heard him speak are running wild with 2012 fever.
&q=Timewave+Zero&total=48&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Deathbed huh?
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It was always a theory... it was disproved (several times)... he adjusted the theory (and it was disproved again... and he acknowledged that it had been). On his deathbed he continued to talk about the timewave theory... but by then he viewed it as interesting and silly. He just wanted to go out on something that would live for years after he did... and he said as much.
Cool link. I hadn't seen that one.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said: It was always a theory... it was disproved (several times)... he adjusted the theory (and it was disproved again... and he acknowledged that it had been). On his deathbed he continued to talk about the timewave theory... but by then he viewed it as interesting and silly. He just wanted to go out on something that would live for years after he did... and he said as much.
Cool link. I hadn't seen that one.
I'd be very interested to have concrete evidence that he said this and even talked about it on his deathbed. And then even said that he "just wanted to go out on something that would live for years after he did".
Have you seen the video of him with the giant tumor on his head, shot months before he died? Pretty amazing.
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I haven't seen that video... but it sounds like it is both gross and kinda' cool.
As for his timewave theory... I have the mp3 somewhere... but you know he can talk for hours... I may not be able to find it... but I do have a recording of him POST-internet discussing the timewave-zero theory. He'd changed his position a LOT by then... but he was impressed that his 1996 mark in his timewave coincided with the public release of the world wide web.
I have so many hours of his speeches saved... and I haven't listened to them in years. Sorry I can't be more specific. If I can find it, I will post it.
I appreciate McKenna's ability to talk about and speculate about the unknown... without ever putting his foot too far into his mouth. Yeah he was wacky... but at least he knew he was.
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it stars saddam said: I think the term "prophecy" is generally a bit more complex that. You're just being a smart alec.
The dictionary made no mention of it, but maybe you're just more attracted to the prestige and glamour of omnious prophecies.
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Such generally is the case when one requests to step down from a position of little importance in the grand scheme of things when one can instead live their life in relation with an amazing being. You have an interesting sense of humor.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said: I haven't seen that video... but it sounds like it is both gross and kinda' cool.
As for his timewave theory... I have the mp3 somewhere... but you know he can talk for hours... I may not be able to find it... but I do have a recording of him POST-internet discussing the timewave-zero theory. He'd changed his position a LOT by then... but he was impressed that his 1996 mark in his timewave coincided with the public release of the world wide web.
I have so many hours of his speeches saved... and I haven't listened to them in years. Sorry I can't be more specific. If I can find it, I will post it.
I appreciate McKenna's ability to talk about and speculate about the unknown... without ever putting his foot too far into his mouth. Yeah he was wacky... but at least he knew he was.
I understand man. I've got a bunch of his stuff, like more than anyone else I know. 
If you don't know already, this website: www.matrixmasters.com has a lot of one-of-a-kind McKenna lectures. Most of them are trialouges with Rupert Sheldrake and Ralph Abraham.
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Huehuecoyotl said: 2012 has more to do with the internet than the Mayans. The Mayans do not and have not ever had such a prophecy.
the mayan calender ends on 2012, and its not just the mayans there are other things that point to 2012, all very strange
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Couldn't it just mean like a super big new years celebration?
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haha well, the exact date is december 21st 2012 so wed have to celebrate a little early. you can all know ill be getting fucked up on that exact date
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: skiihigh]
#7901672 - 01/19/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: 2012 has more to do with the internet than the Mayans. The Mayans do not and have not ever had such a prophecy.
the mayan calender ends on 2012, and its not just the mayans there are other things that point to 2012, all very strange
Mostly what is "pointing" to 2012 is fluffernauts that know very little about it.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Icelander]
#7901689 - 01/19/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah, but Daniel Pinchbeck sez... And we know he wasn't merely trying to sell books.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Icelander]
#7901719 - 01/19/08 01:20 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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you probably don't wanna take the time to watch all these but i saw it on the history channel and tracked it down, its separated into 5 parts
&feature=related &feature=related &feature=related &feature=related
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: skiihigh]
#7901728 - 01/19/08 01:23 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Oh the "history" channel.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Icelander]
#7901740 - 01/19/08 01:26 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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haha whats wrong with the history channel
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: skiihigh]
#7901770 - 01/19/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Nothing as far as TV goes. It's entertaining enough but I don't know how historical it is.
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yea, i guess, im pretty sure that videos legitimate though
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: skiihigh]
#7901786 - 01/19/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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In what sense, legit?
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Icelander]
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well, they don't just make outrageous claims about the end of the earth, they go in depth into where their information is coming from. they just give the facts
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: skiihigh]
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And the facts are? Change of consciousness? New age of emotional maturity for mankind? What?
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Icelander]
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well, just all the prophesies and the stars lining up in some weird way that could cause extreme conditions on earth, i forget all of the things that point to 2012 as being the end of the earth. just watch those videos its only takes like an hour.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: skiihigh]
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No thanks. I've seen all that shit here and there and little of it stands up under scrutiny it seems.
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Icelander]
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haha alright then
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Icelander]
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I always figured Terence McKenna worked more or less alone, with his "Timewave Zero" theory, to bring 2012 and the Mayan calendar into the modern tripper lexicon. He describes 2012 as the year when the sudden explosion of New Stuff happening (on which humanity merely rides, like a surf) reaches a head and the conscious structure of the universe realigns itself from the system that we (or I, if you're so inclined towards the concept of cosmic unity) are presently familiar with.
The Mayan calendar itself seems like a premise he found handy to contextualize the things he wanted to say.
It's certainly an interesting subject for contemplation, but I really hope no one here stays up at night worrying if the world is really going to end in 2012.
I respect Terence McKenna's views on the subject; I consider him a psychedelics connoisseur, the illegality of whose interests and expertise forced him away from selling drugs and into the herculean task of intellectualizing decades of heavily spaced-out thinking for lectures and books to make a legitimate living. He did a marvelous job.
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'He did a marvelous job.'
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yea it would be dumb to stay up all night worrying considering if its going to happen then theres nothing we can do about it, staying up all night partying on the other hand... and i would consider myself lucky if i could live to see the end of humanity
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when mckenna refers to "most novel moment in time," its supposed to be the most important event in the course of human history, and seeing as his timewave-zero ends after this most novel point, it predicts the end of time - AS WE KNOW IT. What he explains this to possibly be is time travel; time could not be graphed past this point, and it would certainly be the most important event in our history.
Also, traveling faster than the speed of light (IE time travel) would enable us to travel and colonize other galaxies, which matches with one of nostradamuses predictions.. something about the world going into two factions, one leaving to the constelation Cancer, the other one to.. capricornius? I didnt pay much attention to the nostradamus stuff lol.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Hundreds of thousands of posts all across the internet, several books, dedicated websites, but not a single clear prophecy other than "something novel will happen".
Even the believers have no consensus.
A prophecy that does not predict is not a prophecy. ~ Swami
The Mayans are all dead.. (Well not all of them, but you should be able to get the picture.)
Think about that? They found this old calender system, and one man or so managed to decipher it.. Then he could see in their calender, the same predictions as modern astronomers have made, and that it is precises even today.. (..thousand of years after they made it.)
However, the calender is carved out of in a circular rock. Meaning they did not ran out of rock, as they chose the size of the circle, based on observation of the stars, aid by aliens, or what not people believe. But, it ends, just like our Gregorian calender, and starts over again..
This "end of time" or "new year/cycle" if you will, is then predicted by the Mayans, via the stone calender they left behind..
This again, has been hyped out of proportion, till the point where you know it now.
But it really could be as simple as a galactic completion of some cycle. Most I spoken with and hear, say it is the sun they measured as the "grand/biggest cycle", and that they took the sun, when it is at the closest possible to our galaxe's centre, as starting point for the calender, meaning, then sun will return to the "starting point" at 2012 or 2011 or who ever you trust the most. ;p
(Few agrees in the exact translation from Mayan till the Gregorian calender, and I personally think that is cause the Gregorian is so badly flawed. )
Edited by Gomp (01/20/08 03:29 AM)
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Re: WTF is the Mayan Prophecy? [Re: Gomp]
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