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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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an AR-15 is nothing more than an hyped up .22

my wife's .243 deer rifle is way more powerful.


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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
morrowasted said:
I don't see any issue with people having hunting rifles or pistols or even shotguns, but why does a citizen need a gun that gives them the potential to easily kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes?


I know some marines and army guys that could take an m-1 garand that only has  six round clip, and kill dozens of people in a few minutes.  They could take a bolt action rifle like a Springfield a-03 and kill dozens of people.  :smirk:


Sure, but it doesn't take a marine to kill a shitload of people with an AR15. I don't know that much about guns and in any case you seem to be avoiding the question: Why does the average citizen need an AR15? or whatever the hell kind of gun the arizona shooter, for example, used to wipe out that many people in a very short period of time? To me self-defense doesn't seem like a legitimate reason to have one.

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: joe666]
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joe666 said:
an AR-15 is nothing more than an hyped up .22

my wife's .243 deer rifle is way more powerful.


How many times can she fire it in a minute?

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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give her an unlimited amount of 7 round mags and she could
fuck some shit up.


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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: joe666]
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joe666 said:
give her an unlimited amount of 7 round mags and she could
fuck some shit up.


Could she fuck up more shit in a shorter period of time if the gun had, for example 25 round magazines? I don't even know what the standard amounts are.

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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how about we just give her a bomb.


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"A politician is like a baby's diaper, it should be changed often and for the same reason"-Coy Turner Sr.

"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: joe666]
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How about you stop dancing around my questions...? People aren't allowed to have bombs anyway, as far as I know.

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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most criminals are not allowed to have guns, yet they do.
drugs are illegal and people still get them

the police have guns to protect themselves. they are no more important than regular citizens.
I have the right to have the exact same firepower to protect myself.


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"A politician is like a baby's diaper, it should be changed often and for the same reason"-Coy Turner Sr.

"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but... self defense doesn't require AR15s. I don't see any issue with people having hunting rifles or pistols or even shotguns, but why does a citizen need a gun that gives them the potential to easily kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes? I can't imagine scenario where someone needs that kind of firepower for personal defense.


We are entitled to all of these things !!!
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petitition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Third Amendment
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner; nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself; nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence.

Seventh Amendment
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of common law.

Eighth Amendment
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Ninth Amendment
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: r00tuuu123]
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Give me a break ban semi autos whats next?? Fully autos are already banned who knows whats next if we continue to give our rights away to the government.

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: joe666]
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So basically the position of the two posters before tdubz is that I ought to be able to have a high powered semiautomatic rifle because I have a right to have. To me that sounds remarkably close to a tautology.

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:
So basically the position of the two posters before tdubz is that I ought to be able to have a high powered semiautomatic rifle because I have a right to have. To me that sounds remarkably close to a tautology.



Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


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"A politician is like a baby's diaper, it should be changed often and for the same reason"-Coy Turner Sr.

"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: tdubz]
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tdubz said:
Give me a break ban semi autos whats next?? Fully autos are already banned who knows whats next if we continue to give our rights away to the government.


The slippery slope argument isn't going to cut it with me. Haven't any of you taken a basic philosophy class? These arguments seem to be very poorly conceived.

Can I get some input from prisoner#1?

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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your arguments seem to be very poorly conceived.


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"A politician is like a baby's diaper, it should be changed often and for the same reason"-Coy Turner Sr.

"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: joe666]
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joe666 said:
morrowasted said:
So basically the position of the two posters before tdubz is that I ought to be able to have a high powered semiautomatic rifle because I have a right to have. To me that sounds remarkably close to a tautology.



Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it a new argument. There are plenty of outdated, archaic laws in this country that are ignored or even contradicted by new laws. The Bill of Rights was framed in a completely different context, literally hundreds of years ago. Where is the historical cutoff for you? Do you follow the ten commandments as well?

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: joe666]
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joe666 said:
your arguments seem to be very poorly conceived.


I haven't even really presented any arguments, I am just asking questions. And so far they aren't really being addressed.

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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10 commandments    prohibitions against murder, theft, and adultery.  that sounds pretty good to me.

so should we repeal the first amendment?  is was made at the same time as the 2nd


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"A politician is like a baby's diaper, it should be changed often and for the same reason"-Coy Turner Sr.

"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: joe666]
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joe666 said:
prohibitions against murder, theft, and adultery.  that sounds pretty good to me.

so should we repeal the first amendment?  is was made at the same time.


Good lord. Stick to the subject. I am capable of addressing each of the amendments individually. Why should I throw the baby out with the bath water? Repealing one amendment doesn't mean they all have to be repealed. Just because the twenty first amendment nullified the eighteenth amendment, we didn't say "that means the rest of them have got to go as well." Because the other amendments weren't the issue. The issue was the eighteenth amendment, which I hope we can agree was a very shortsighted idea.

In any case, I'm not talking about taking away peoples' right to weaponry. Amendment two doesn't say "the citizens are guaranteed the right to have high powered semiautomatic assault rifles". A law could say that without violating the second amendment.

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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:
  I don't know that much about guns


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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: morrowasted]
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The Bill of Rights was framed in a completely different context, literally hundreds of years ago. Where is the historical cutoff for you? Do you follow the ten commandments as well?

that is what you said.
I am sticking to the subject


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"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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