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Invisiblethegatewaydrug
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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252904 - 06/03/05 04:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

lets say no one carried guns do u think the world would be a better place? it might...
1. when there is war everyone would fight with swords thus killing more people
2. no one would be afraid to walk down the streets and get shot, they would now worry about being stabbed
3. everyone carrying a knife is called a pussy for self protection (but at least its not a gun)

now days everyone carries guns (so people think). see i would never try to rob anyone because i dont know if they have a gun or not...


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252909 - 06/03/05 04:34 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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thegatewaydrug said:
lol u guys r taking this way to far. everyone has there own reasons to carry a gun

1.fear/protection
2.someone really is out to get them
3.they just like guns

anyone else have an idea y people would carry guns?




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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Stonerguy]
    #4252936 - 06/03/05 04:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Stonerguy said:
It is my right as an American to be able to bare arms.




I never said you couldnt own a gun.
Just that it isn't wise or safe to walk down the street with a loaded gun.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253779 - 06/03/05 08:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
I'm willing to bet it is the powerful feeling rather than any "safety" that the gun provides.



It depends upon the individual. I know plenty of people who carry guns for safety. Don't project your own mode of thinking onto others.

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If you said...."I carry a gun for protection/safety."

I would have to say that there are better ways to protect your self.



Only if you're willfully ignorant.

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I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.



You inability to conceptualize does not alter the fact. Ask yourself, why don't cops give up their guns then?

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Anyone who is carrying a gun around to be "safer" needs to rethink the reason they really have the gun.



I suppose it's preferable to be victimized?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253806 - 06/03/05 08:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
Walking around in public with a loaded gun is just a recipe for trouble. There are better & safer ways to protect yourself.



I bet you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus as well.

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Anytime I hear of someone talk about carrying around a gun......I see a very insecure person trying to "sound big" by talking all this smack about their gun.



No, you project your prejudices and false assumptions upon others.

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IMO.....carrying a gun is done out of fear, only fear and nothing but fear. All other reasons fall apart under scrutiny.



The concept of insurance is alien to you? What is wrong with taking prudent steps to ensure your well being? Is everyone who buckles a seat belt before driving doing it out of fear? Is everyone who buys health insurance doing it out of fear? Is everyone who drives with brakes on their car doing so out of fear? Is it wrong to lock your doors at night?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4253842 - 06/03/05 08:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
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niteowl said:
I'm willing to bet it is the powerful feeling rather than any "safety" that the gun provides.



It depends upon the individual. I know plenty of people who carry guns for safety. Don't project your own mode of thinking onto others.




I still hold to the belief that their are safer/better ways to protect yourself than carrying around a loaded gun.
If you have to carry a gun for "protection" then you must be either doing something illegal, your in a place you don't need to be or your looking for trouble.



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If you said...."I carry a gun for protection/safety."

I would have to say that there are better ways to protect your self.



Only if you're willfully ignorant.




Please explain how it is ignorant to believe in a better form of protection than carrying a loaded gun.

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I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.



You inability to conceptualize does not alter the fact. Ask yourself, why don't cops give up their guns then?




If you have a job (cops, FBI, security guard...) that requires you to go into a dangerous situation, then a gun is needed.

For the average "guy on the street" there is no need for a gun.

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Anyone who is carrying a gun around to be "safer" needs to rethink the reason they really have the gun.



I suppose it's preferable to be victimized?




I never said you had to be a victim, just that there are better ways to protect yourself.



EVERY single person I have seen carrying a gun didn't have a permit to carry it, didn't really have a need for it and only carried it around for "bragging rights".

I have yet to see a regular person with a true need to carry a loaded gun.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253850 - 06/03/05 08:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
Having a gun only makes any situation more dangerous......not safer.



Another BS generalization. Sorry to burst you bubble, but REAL situations have come up that fly in the face of your fairy tale belief system.

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As I stated above there are safer ways to protect yourself.



Believing something does not make it so. Repeating a falsehood, does not change it's nature.

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A gun is not needed to be safe.



That really depends upon the situation.

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How is having a gun going to keep someone from harming you?



Duh! Imagination is not your strong suite is it?. I can cite numerous instances where private citizens have used guns to thwart violent actions, many times without firing a single shot.

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If someone is "out to get you" they aren't likely to come face to face.....your gonna get jumped from the back......gun is useless.



Again, it really depends upon the situation. It is irrational to think that all situations are the same.

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It all boils down to the powerful feeling you get with carrying a gun. Makes you feel like James Bond or John Wayne.



Only in your limited mode of thinking. Again, you are projecting your own prejudicial notions upon others. Judging your fellow man from a position of ignorance is not very wise.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253856 - 06/03/05 08:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

so you've been mislead by the wrong people? im sure there r plenty of "normal" people that carry a little 32 on there ankle and u would never even suspect them as being a gun lover. there r aslo people that have alot of money in there wallet and need a gun incase they get robbed such as rich people...just an example


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4253863 - 06/03/05 08:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
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niteowl said:
Walking around in public with a loaded gun is just a recipe for trouble. There are better & safer ways to protect yourself.



I bet you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus as well.




:rolleyes:

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Anytime I hear of someone talk about carrying around a gun......I see a very insecure person trying to "sound big" by talking all this smack about their gun.



No, you project your prejudices and false assumptions upon others.




No thats from witnessing lots of people carrying around a gun just to show it off. Not for protection.

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IMO.....carrying a gun is done out of fear, only fear and nothing but fear. All other reasons fall apart under scrutiny.



The concept of insurance is alien to you?  What is wrong with taking prudent steps to ensure your well being?  Is everyone who buckles a seat belt before driving doing it out of fear?  Is everyone who buys health insurance doing it out of fear?  Is everyone who drives with brakes on their car doing so out of fear?  Is it wrong to lock your doors at night?





Please show me where I said that you should not protect yourself.
I just said that there are better ways to do it.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253866 - 06/03/05 08:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I have a conceal and carry permit

I live way out in the country
not very much crime


I work in the city
my job just happens to be by the warehouse district.
lots of crime and bad people

I've had people try to carjack me before in my city
I carry a gun because I do fear fuckers trying to jack me for my shit

I took the course,paid my money,gave the feds my prints
I proved I'm an honest citizen and I know the law and how to properly use a gun

I need a gun for protection
a knife just dosen't cut it
nor does a baseball bat

a gun is the great equalizer.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: joe666]
    #4253872 - 06/03/05 08:36 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

exactly, id be completely comfortable being around someone that knows how to shoot a gun, and is responsible enough to know when not to pull it out, and if they do pull it out is planning to use it.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4253884 - 06/03/05 08:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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thegatewaydrug said:
so you've been mislead by the wrong people? im sure there r plenty of "normal" people that carry a little 32 on there ankle and u would never even suspect them as being a gun lover. there r aslo people that have alot of money in there wallet and need a gun incase they get robbed such as rich people...just an example




I never said that people should not protect themself. Having a gun is not the best form of personal protection.

I have plenty of friends that have lots of money on their person that don't have to carry a gun around to feel safe.


Thats realy what carrying a gun around is all about....the illusion of sfety. You "feel" safe so you believe you are safe.

I can assure you that there are better ways to protect your self than carrying a loaded gun.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253887 - 06/03/05 08:41 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
I still hold to the belief that their are safer/better ways to protect yourself than carrying around a loaded gun.



So what? Your belief is unsupported.

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If you have to carry a gun for "protection" then you must be either doing something illegal, your in a place you don't need to be or your looking for trouble.



Again, you demonstrate you limited ability to conceptualize. Some people live in bad neighborhoods. Some people work in certain areas where they are more likely to be victimized. Some people are limited in their physical capabilities to defend themselves.


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Please explain how it is ignorant to believe in a better form of protection than carrying a loaded gun.



Why don't you please explain how to defend yourself against a gun when you have no gun.

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For the average "guy on the street" there is no need for a gun.



That really depends upon how you define 'need.' I guess if you believe that people have no need to live or a woman has no 'need' to protect herself from rape, you may be onto something.

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I never said you had to be a victim, just that there are better ways to protect yourself.



Please explain how to protect yourself from an assailant armed with a firearm.

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I have yet to see a regular person with a true need to carry a loaded gun.



Just because you have limited experience and knowledge, does not change the facts of existence. There are cops who have never had to pull out their guns during their careers, would you suggest that they work without them?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253898 - 06/03/05 08:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

if ur smart about wut u do when in a situation and draw after he pulls a weapon (as long as theres witnesses then do this) then kill him and ull be fine because the witnesses will say they saw him pull a weapon and u acted in self defense.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253911 - 06/03/05 08:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
No thats from witnessing lots of people carrying around a gun just to show it off. Not for protection.



Well, I must associate with a better class of people than you.

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I just said that there are better ways to do it.



Well then. Give me a quick course on how to defend myself against 6 foot 5 inch muscular male, under the influence of narcotics and armed with a gun. Assume that I am a woman 5 feet 2 inches tall without the time, physical ability or desire to devote myself to becoming proficient in a martial art.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4253929 - 06/03/05 08:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
Quote:

niteowl said:
Having a gun only makes any situation more dangerous......not safer.



Another BS generalization.  Sorry to burst you bubble, but REAL situations have come up that fly in the face of your fairy tale belief system.




SO having a loaded gun is the safest form of protection that you can imagine......talk about having a limited imagination :rolleyes:


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As I stated above there are safer ways to protect yourself.



Believing something does not make it so.  Repeating a falsehood, does not change it's nature.




What falsehood have I repeated.
Believing that there are better means of protection than using a gun is false?

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A gun is not needed to be safe.



That really depends upon the situation.




Not really.

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How is having a gun going to keep someone from harming you?



Duh!  Imagination is not your strong suite is it?.  I can cite numerous instances where private citizens have used guns to thwart violent actions, many times without firing a single shot.




Then I was right the gun was not needed.

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If someone is "out to get you" they aren't likely to come face to face.....your gonna get jumped from the back......gun is useless.



Again, it really depends upon the situation.  It is irrational to think that all situations are the same.




It is just as irrational to believe that having a gun will solve every situation.

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It all boils down to the powerful feeling you get with carrying a gun. Makes you feel like James Bond or John Wayne.



Only in your limited mode of thinking.  Again, you are projecting your own prejudicial notions upon others.  Judging your fellow man from a position of ignorance is not very wise.




I still havent seen any solid evidence where a gun would be better than using some common sence.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253936 - 06/03/05 08:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

sometimes common sense cant help u because like i said before if someones going to kill u they WILL kill u unless u kill them first


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253953 - 06/03/05 09:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
Why carry a gun?





my newest reason: people will abandon all reason and logic to whine about it endlessly


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4253980 - 06/03/05 09:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
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niteowl said:
I still hold to the belief that their are safer/better ways to protect yourself than carrying around a loaded gun.



So what?  Your belief is unsupported.




I have lived my whole live without having to carry a gun. That is all the support I need.
I have even had a gun pulled on me. Keeping your wits about you and not panicking will go lots farther that trying to get into a shooting match.

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If you have to carry a gun for "protection" then you must be either doing something illegal, your in a place you don't need to be or your looking for trouble.



Again, you demonstrate you limited ability to conceptualize.  Some people live in bad neighborhoods.  Some people work in certain areas where they are more likely to be victimized.  Some people are limited in their physical capabilities to defend themselves.




Talk about an inability to conceptualize :rolleyes:
So your saying that the only way to protect yourself is to carry a loaded gun around?


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Please explain how it is ignorant to believe in a better form of protection than carrying a loaded gun.



Why don't you please explain how to defend yourself against a gun when you have no gun.



Boy you don't think these responses thru too much do ya. If someone has a gun pointed at you...and you go for your gun.....BANG, your dead.

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For the average "guy on the street" there is no need for a gun.



That really depends upon how you define 'need.'  I guess if you believe that people have no need to live or a woman has no 'need' to protect herself from rape, you may be onto something.




You keep going back to the "I cant protect myself unless I have a gun" argument.
All I ever said was that there are better/safer ways to protect yourself.

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I never said you had to be a victim, just that there are better ways to protect yourself.



Please explain how to protect yourself from an assailant armed with a firearm.




See above.....once the gun is pointed at you....your having a gun is useless.

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I have yet to see a regular person with a true need to carry a loaded gun.



Just because you have limited experience and knowledge, does not change the facts of existence.  There are cops who have never had to pull out their guns during their careers, would you suggest that they work without them?




We aren't talking about cops...just the average Joe in the street.

Please pay attention.
I do get tired of having to repeat myself.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4253983 - 06/03/05 09:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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thegatewaydrug said:
sometimes common sense cant help u because like i said before if someones going to kill u they WILL kill u unless u kill them first




I would be willing to bet that if someone truly wanted you dead...your owning a gun isn't going to do much to stop them.

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