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Why carry a gun?
    #4252303 - 06/03/05 01:32 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Is it for safety?....
....or is it the sense of power you get knowing that your carrying a gun

I'm willing to bet it is the powerful feeling rather than any "safety" that the gun provides.


If you said...."I carry a gun for protection/safety."

I would have to say that there are better ways to protect your self.

I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.


Anyone who is carrying a gun around to be "safer" needs to rethink the reason they really have the gun.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252309 - 06/03/05 01:34 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

lol u guys r taking this way to far. everyone has there own reasons to carry a gun

1.fear/protection
2.someone really is out to get them
3.they just like guns

anyone else have an idea y people would carry guns?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252313 - 06/03/05 01:36 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

What's the big deal with a guns on this site? Shiiiit, I'm gonig to get an ak soon. As soon as i'm old enough of course

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252314 - 06/03/05 01:36 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Im sure I could think of some situation where a gun would be safer, but IMO the gun will put you and others at alot more risk than it will protect you.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252327 - 06/03/05 01:40 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I carry a gun so I can rob people.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Druggie04]
    #4252333 - 06/03/05 01:41 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Fuck Art Lets Dance!

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252334 - 06/03/05 01:42 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I carry one or more

this one is in my center console of my car


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252337 - 06/03/05 01:43 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

:whatever:


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252339 - 06/03/05 01:44 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Is that a Scope dirty harry?

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252345 - 06/03/05 01:46 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

What are you talking about!! I think the question at hand is why NOT carry a gun.
Just look at history, man. That shit is bloody, and the new age wars are even swifter with violence. If you are not armed, and your league of assailants are, will you fight a fire-storm with water-guns?
So many people get cut down by criminals because they are out-gunned, out-smarted- or out-balled.
Guns suck, I'll give you that. One of my 3 wishes if I had a genie(;0) would be that gunpowder was never invented... At least that way I could still be kicking ass with a sword and armor.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: flowstone]
    #4252353 - 06/03/05 01:49 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

fighting with swords i always thought was better because the better man wins, instead of just getting hit with a bullet.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Noetical]
    #4252355 - 06/03/05 01:50 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

yea its laserless scope...person/target doesnt see the red dot

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252362 - 06/03/05 01:51 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Dude thats not hardcore. You should file down your sight so get a quicker draw.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252365 - 06/03/05 01:51 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

nice, 357mag?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252366 - 06/03/05 01:52 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)



i used to own a gun. i got it because i had tons of drugs in my house and didn't want people to rob me so i showed it to everyone who knew i had lots of drugs in my house. i always kept it disassembled and never would have used it if someone broke in to steal my shit. it was also fun to shoot shit. but in general guns are lame. imo people should only be able to carry/own guns if they need it to eat or similar. not for protection :stoned:


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: John]
    #4252371 - 06/03/05 01:53 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

A big fuckin knife with a bone for a handle would have been cooler

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Druggie04]
    #4252372 - 06/03/05 01:54 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

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Druggie04 said:
... IMO the gun will put you and others at alot more risk than it will protect you.




That's the point I'm trying to make. Having a gun only makes any situation more dangerous......not safer.








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thegatewaydrug said:
everyone has there own reasons to carry a gun

1.fear/protection




As I stated above there are safer ways to protect yourself. A gun is not needed to be safe.


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2.someone really is out to get them




How is having a gun going to keep someone from harming you? If someone is "out to get you" they aren't likely to come face to face.....your gonna get jumped from the back......gun is useless.


Quote:

3.they just like guns




Just because you like something doesn't mean you should carry it around with you.
I'm like welding....doesn't mean I'm going to drag a welder around everywhere I go......just in case some one needs something welded. :rolleyes:

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anyone else have an idea y people would carry guns?





That's pretty much the 3 main reasons to carry a gun........none of them really make any sense tho.


It all boils down to the powerful feeling you get with carrying a gun. Makes you feel like James Bond or John Wayne.


Nothing to do with feeling safe......all about feeling POWERFUL

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: John]
    #4252374 - 06/03/05 01:54 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

guns are hella fun ill give it that but people abuse the power and think they are badass when they have a gun until they show off to the wrong person and get shot for it:smirk: thats a nice ak btw is that a 70 round mag on it


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252376 - 06/03/05 01:55 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

thegatewaydrug said:
fighting with swords i always thought was better because the better man wins, instead of just getting hit with a bullet.



I know man! There have been plenty of threads on this already, so I want go into it further. Just know I agree whole-heatedly. And I also see swords as a tool up there with the gun. If you don't own a gun, AT LEAST own a sword, and know how to use it. Believe it or not with smarts and silence a swords-man can cut down rifles like a true ninja would! War is hell.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252377 - 06/03/05 01:55 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

For some it's fear, others it is a form of protection in case somebody else has a gun, and others it is part of their lifestyle and means of making a living (i.e. cops,gangsters, organized crime).

The first 2 sets of people I mentioned I honestly believe only 1 out of 10 of them would really use their weapon if the situation arose that they had to. People can sit here and talk about how they would be able to shoot somebody point blank but talk is cheap. They underestimate how it actually feels to be in the situation. If they do choose to pull their guns then they have one shot and if they don't kill the other person they are dead themselves.. I know I couldn't do it. Death is final there is no escaping it.. If you choose to take somebodies life you live with the demons you create.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252386 - 06/03/05 01:59 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

nah a 40 rnd mag. yeah guns are fun but if you just wanna have fun with them it's better to go to a range and rent them or something, it'd probably be cheaper unless you want to shoot all the time. for me it was fun the first few times but got boring after that. plus ammo is expensive and theres tons of other stuff i'd rather have than a gun, not to mention all the other aspects of guns :stoned:


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252390 - 06/03/05 02:00 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

If I lived in a big city I'd make sure I carried a chain and have a big scar through my eye brow so people knew not to step to my shit.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252391 - 06/03/05 02:00 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

not everyone thinks the same about death. u live to die and once u die ur "in a better place" so y would killing someone be that bad all ur doing is letting them off easy.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Noetical]
    #4252394 - 06/03/05 02:02 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

true, if u look bad ass enough people wont fuck with u


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252396 - 06/03/05 02:02 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

People are scarred of me. I create phobias.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252400 - 06/03/05 02:04 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined,
but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a
status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them,
which would include their own government.
--George Washington

and

GUNS and DOCTORS

a. The number of physicians in the United States is 700,000

b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.

c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health &
Human Services)

THINK ABOUT THIS:

a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000 (yes, eighty- million!).

b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.

c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.

Statistically, doctors are about 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS A DOCTOR.

Alert your friends to this threat. We must ban doctors before this
gets out of hand.

As a public health measure I have withheld the statistics on lawyers
for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention.

and....

1] guns for those who want them, no guns
forced on those who don't want them (pacfists, Quakers etc.)
[2] drugs for those who want them,
no drugs forced on those who don't want them (Christian Scientists etc.)
[3] an end to Tsarism and a return to constitutional democracy
[4] equal rights for ostriches.

I think its quite clear!


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252403 - 06/03/05 02:05 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Who are you to say why we are here?

As I said Death is final. If you want me to elaborate more Death is final in the physical form..

Who are you to choose when somebody else goes?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252408 - 06/03/05 02:06 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

im just saying if i had to kill someone i dont think i would feel guilty about it unless it was cold blooded murder, then i might feel bad about it.
depends on the situation if its self defense i wouldnt feel bad at all about killing them


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: LeastResistance]
    #4252409 - 06/03/05 02:06 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I'm gonna start packing a fuckin doctor.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Noetical]
    #4252411 - 06/03/05 02:07 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I also carry a cross with jesus on it and stab people with it who get up in my grill

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Noetical]
    #4252415 - 06/03/05 02:08 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I love guns yet I don't own one.

I would never shoot anyone,  because YOU WILL usually go to jail......if your a fucking idiot that is :smile:

You ever pull and HST and shoot at inanimate objects like old printers, faxes, and what not.  That shit is the best fun you will ever have and it's cheap too.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: TheDudeAbides]
    #4252420 - 06/03/05 02:10 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

yea, most of the time u shoot someone ur gonna go to jail but as long as u have witnesses on ur side saying that u acted in self defense ull usally get off, my uncle got off like that. it all comes down to wut the other people saw


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: LeastResistance]
    #4252424 - 06/03/05 02:11 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

And to stats boy ...

Give me statistics and I'll tell you what to think of them

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252427 - 06/03/05 02:12 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I don't want anyone to think I'm some "Anti-gun" freak.

I believe in keeping a gun to protect my home and family. Walking around in public with a loaded gun is just a recipe for trouble. There are better & safer ways to protect yourself.


Anytime I hear of someone talk about carrying around a gun......I see a very insecure person trying to "sound big" by talking all this smack about their gun.

IMO.....carrying a gun is done out of fear, only fear and nothing but fear. All other reasons fall apart under scrutiny.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252434 - 06/03/05 02:14 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
I don't want anyone to think I'm some "Anti-gun" freak.

I believe in keeping a gun to protect my home and family. Walking around in public with a loaded gun is just a recipe for trouble. There are better & safer ways to protect yourself.


Anytime I hear of someone talk about carrying around a gun......I see a very insecure person trying to "sound big" by talking all this smack about their gun.

IMO.....carrying a gun is done out of fear, only fear and nothing but fear. All other reasons fall apart under scrutiny.




I agree with everything but your last line. What about mercenaries/hitmen that kill for money? That is not fear.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252435 - 06/03/05 02:14 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

i agree with u there i HATE when people try to brag about how they r cool because of this and that, its annoying and thats how people get themselves shot but as long as your mature and dont let anyone know u have a gun and always play it off cool then u wont get in the situation where u need to use your gun


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252436 - 06/03/05 02:14 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

you going to whip out some Kung Fu or some shit?

Fuck that...

GRANTED: that is a very delicate way to kick an ass, Im just making a point....you can't take out 3-4 muggers with kung fu man.

AND believe me, they roll deep.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252439 - 06/03/05 02:15 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

thegatewaydrug said:
i agree with u there i HATE when people try to brag about how they r cool because of this and that, its annoying and thats how people get themselves shot but as long as your mature and dont let anyone know u have a gun and always play it off cool then u wont get in the situation where u need to use your gun




Then why carry a gun in the first place?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252443 - 06/03/05 02:16 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

a lot of my friends carry a gun on them ALL THE TIME. i don't yet. but if you live in, there's some places i don't go by myself. and if i needed to go with a buddy, he'd have a pistol on him. the world doesn't care about you, if some 1 pulls a gun on you, and you pull out mace your pretty fucked. if you use it to scare a buncha kids away from your car, your a dumb ass, its last resort all out I'll shoot you if you come closer with that knife stuff.  none of my friends have ever shot anyone and i only know 1 who actually pulled it out on some one down in a ghetto cause they had a knife.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252444 - 06/03/05 02:16 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

.44 mag


niteowl...

I love to shoot at the range, I hunt, I carry for protection people/alagators etc

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: TheDudeAbides]
    #4252445 - 06/03/05 02:16 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

i have a friend thats been taking karate for 12 years (hes 22 now) and believe me he could take out 3-4 armed men easily


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252452 - 06/03/05 02:17 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

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i have a friend thats been taking karate for 12 years (hes 22 now) and belive me he could take out 3-4 armed men easily




only at close range


give me 6 feet

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252456 - 06/03/05 02:18 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

fuckin gators

I'd carry a big fuckin tactical assaualt mega powered elephant gun. If people saw that over your shoulder nobody would fuck you.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252458 - 06/03/05 02:19 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

lol 6 ft then yes he would be fucked and thats the kind of situation where u need a gun (unless they have guns then try to play it off cool or ull end up with a bullet in u)


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252459 - 06/03/05 02:19 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

exactly my point......
Kung fu is some serious shat, but 3-4 armed muggers is a problem man, especially ones that are fiending for rock and are agressive.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252460 - 06/03/05 02:19 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252463 - 06/03/05 02:19 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

No pun intended but I think you're a little delusional about some things.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: PreparationH]
    #4252468 - 06/03/05 02:20 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I like your bunny but I really want to strangle him right now.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252473 - 06/03/05 02:21 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

explain


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: LeastResistance]
    #4252478 - 06/03/05 02:22 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

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I have no problem having and keeping a gun in your house.
Walking around with a loaded gun is only done because the person is scared.

AS far as the rest of your rant..... :blah: :blah: :blah:


We aren't talking about Dr's , or automobiles or alcohol or cigarettes.......all of these things  cause lots of death too.


I'm talking about someone who walks around with a loaded gun it a blind attempt to "protect themself"


They don't want to admit that they walk around and brag about it for the sense of power they get, not for the little real protection it offers.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252483 - 06/03/05 02:23 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

well its just sitting their with that shit eating grin on its face, i think he was saying shit about you too

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252502 - 06/03/05 02:26 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

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niteowl said:
Is it for safety?....
....or is it the sense of power you get knowing that your carrying a gun

I'm willing to bet it is the powerful feeling rather than any "safety" that the gun provides.


If you said...."I carry a gun for protection/safety."

I would have to say that there are better ways to protect your self.

I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.


Anyone who is carrying a gun around to be "safer" needs to rethink the reason they really have the gun.




I carry a gun in case I run into any homeless people.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252505 - 06/03/05 02:27 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

You just strike me as being delusional about people and guns. There is nothing to explain. Your posts spell it out.

From what youv said here you will end up in jail for taking somebodies life or dead. :frown:


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: PreparationH]
    #4252519 - 06/03/05 02:29 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

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.....if some 1 pulls a gun on you, and you pull out mace your pretty fucked.



If someone pulls a gun on you and you go for your gun....your still pertty fucked.






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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: PreparationH]
    #4252520 - 06/03/05 02:30 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

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pulled it out on some one down in a ghetto cause they had a knife.




I don't know how it is in other states but here in NY you can only use equal force if somebody is attacking you.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252523 - 06/03/05 02:30 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

dude me?

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: PreparationH]
    #4252529 - 06/03/05 02:32 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

o yea thats probably illegal, but if you had it on you wouldnt u pull it out? i dont care what the law says he'd probably never shoot anyone anyway, but i dont care if for no reason some one came at me with a baseball bat and i had a gun on me, youd pull it out and tell them to get back too, if you wouldnt, thats you you can take that beating but i wouldnt. But, i wouldn't shoot

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: MeatSpace]
    #4252540 - 06/03/05 02:34 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

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MeatSpace said:
Quote:

niteowl said:
Is it for safety?....
....or is it the sense of power you get knowing that your carrying a gun

I'm willing to bet it is the powerful feeling rather than any "safety" that the gun provides.


If you said...."I carry a gun for protection/safety."

I would have to say that there are better ways to protect your self.

I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.


Anyone who is carrying a gun around to be "safer" needs to rethink the reason they really have the gun.




I carry a gun in case I run into any homeless people.






:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252542 - 06/03/05 02:35 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

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From what youv said here you will end up in jail for taking somebodies life or dead. :frown:



not likely im going to kill someone nor end up in jail, im heading to the military in a couple months so there is a very very small chance that anything will happen to me and involve guns considering im not old enough to carry one


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: PreparationH]
    #4252546 - 06/03/05 02:36 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I cant sit here and say Id take a beating with a bat. Im just trying to make a point that if you shot the person you would be going to prison for murder. Prison is worse than being killed IMO.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252554 - 06/03/05 02:38 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

prison is worse then everything because your freedom is taken away from you so, being killed would be much better then going to jail


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252555 - 06/03/05 02:38 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

yea, this is a really hard topic, sitting here and reading your posts i think about how i might contradict myself here, both ways are very strong

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: PreparationH]
    #4252561 - 06/03/05 02:40 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

yea everyone has there own way of looking at stuff some people like guns some people dont it all comes down to the persons personal likes and dislikes


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252575 - 06/03/05 02:45 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I don't dislike guns per say. To tell you the truth I own one. I would never carry it on me for "protection" though. If somebody pulls a gun on you they are either going to use it or they are not regardless of whether you have a gun at your waist. As niteowl already pointed out if you reach for your gun and they plan on using theirs you are dead anyway.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4252652 - 06/03/05 03:15 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I would own a gun for protection but honestly I've never been in a situation I couldn't talk or intimidate my way out of.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252701 - 06/03/05 03:28 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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Is it for safety?....
....or is it the sense of power you get knowing that your carrying a gun

I'm willing to bet it is the powerful feeling rather than any "safety" that the gun provides.


If you said...."I carry a gun for protection/safety."

I would have to say that there are better ways to protect your self.

I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.


Anyone who is carrying a gun around to be "safer" needs to rethink the reason they really have the gun.




Mace does work well for self-defense. A gun is scarier though. The whole point of a gun is that it is going to be so scary to a perp that they will run away, thus defusing the situation.

I don't carry a gun to feel "bigger" (haha how ironic is that coming from a munchkin) nor do I carry it for the novelty of "packing". I carry it to protect myself. Thank God I have never had to use it to defend myself. I am not looking for trouble, but if I am in PA (the state where I am allowed to carry concealed) I will be ready for trouble if it comes to me.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252777 - 06/03/05 03:51 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.




you are a hot young blonde girl, walking in the ghetto of a dangerous city...hopelessly lost.

3 very large, mean, powerful felons approach you. they have raped & murdered before. they have knives and chains. their intent is to rape and kill you.

what do you wish you had with you?
a.) your tazer (you will shock one of those assholes until he goes down...well hopefully he goes down.)
b.) your pepper spray (from 10 feet away, you're as ruthless as eric roberts.)
c.) your .44 mag (you are goobler's daughter and old goobs taught you well. you can blow a testicle clean off at 40 feet. you're not going to be raped or killed tonight.)


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252778 - 06/03/05 03:51 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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If they have a gun already pointed at you, then your gun is useless.





not true I've had a gun pulled on me and pulled mine..

you have to be responsible with firearms, know how to use them well if you are going to carry them and most of all be aware that you might take a bullet....if you're willing to pull the trigger you need to be willing to take one....

most petty thieves use them for scare tactics, they don't want to be shot as much as you don't...fear is the enemy

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4252779 - 06/03/05 03:51 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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Mace does work well for self-defense.



So why the need for a gun?


Quote:

A gun is scarier though.



You have a point there.
It scares me to think that there are people walking around with a loaded gun because they are scared.

Weren't you scared when you almost pulled your gun on that guy?

Lets say that he did have a gun.
If he had walked up to you and pulled his gun on you (thinking your going to rob him)...


What would you have done?......Shot him?
He is pointing a gun at you after all.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252786 - 06/03/05 03:54 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

rules with guns:


DO NOT POINT IT AT SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO SHOOT


if someone pointed a gun at me I'd blow their chest out

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252788 - 06/03/05 03:55 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

well personally, I think I have guns because they make me feel powerful. Do I need to rethink why I have them?

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: eric_the_red]
    #4252806 - 06/03/05 04:00 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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you are a hot young blonde girl, walking in the ghetto of a dangerous city...hopelessly lost.



:rolleyes:

Ok I will play along with your "scenario"

Quote:

3 very large, mean, powerful felons approach you. they have raped & murdered before. they have knives and chains. their intent is to rape and kill you.




With 3 thugs intent on rape and murder, having a gun is not much of a deterrent to them. Most have been shot already and aren't afraid of her or her gun.

If she is lucky she might get one good shot off B4 they jump her.


The safest thing that this "hot young blonde girl" could do is get her boyfriend to fetch her crack for her.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252809 - 06/03/05 04:02 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)


That's the point I'm trying to make. Having a gun only makes any situation more dangerous......not safer.


Except in this situation. Uh oh, time to re-bold.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-02252004-252912.html

As I stated above there are safer ways to protect yourself. A gun is not needed to be safe.


Except when of course it is needed!

How is having a gun going to keep someone from harming you? If someone is "out to get you" they aren't likely to come face to face.....your gonna get jumped from the back......gun is useless.

Not true. Tommy Gyro was pissed I yelled at his g/f last week and he actually came face to face with me wanting to punch me in the mouth. Wrong again.


It all boils down to the powerful feeling you get with carrying a gun. Makes you feel like James Bond or John Wayne.


Nothing to do with feeling safe......all about feeling POWERFUL


Except when someone wants to defend their life, and the lives of others when need be. Of course, it takes a powerful individual to undertake this responsibility. Those that don't carry guns would hide behind a grandma if shit went down because they are WEAK and cowards.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252812 - 06/03/05 04:04 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

two questions?


how old are you?


do you know what a responsible gun owner knows?(training, etc?)


having a gun is a responsibility

what if this girl is a gun user, and trains....she could have a small Beretta and take out those 3 guys pretty quick with some well placed shots

you are just talking about random idiots carrying guns...and believe me I'm glad you don't have one

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252822 - 06/03/05 04:07 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

Gotta bold it up goobler, he won't understand.


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    #4252828 - 06/03/05 04:08 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

charelton heston would be sick right now

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252834 - 06/03/05 04:10 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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what if this girl is a gun user, and trains....she could have a small Beretta and take out those 3 guys pretty quick with some well placed shots

you are just talking about random idiots carrying guns...and believe me I'm glad you don't have one



very likely, idiots that carry guns around would be dead by the time they got there licence to carry it, most people that carry a gun around are responsible, trained, and cautious. they wouldnt just pull it out on anyone for anything unless it was an emergency

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252835 - 06/03/05 04:10 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

why arent you in otd? i havent seen you for weeks :frown:


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: goobler]
    #4252867 - 06/03/05 04:18 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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two questions?


how old are you?




37


Quote:

do you know what a responsible gun owner knows?(training, etc?)




Yes. I have owned a gun most of my life. I have been to ranges and taken marksmanship courses in high school and the Army.


Quote:

having a gun is a responsibility



Agreed

Quote:

what if this girl is a gun user, and trains....she could have a small Beretta and take out those 3 guys pretty quick with some well placed shots




She could have also avoided the situation in the first place. It was a weak scenario to begin with.

If your in a line of work that puts you in dangerous situations, you need a gun.
If your walking the streets with a loaded gun, your looking for trouble.

Being "safe" isn't about carrying a gun. It's using your head and not getting yourself into a dangerous situation. Every city has places that I'm not going to go.....simply because it is dangerous.

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Pretty big assumption there. :rolleyes:

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252885 - 06/03/05 04:23 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

It is my right as an American to be able to bare arms.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4252904 - 06/03/05 04:32 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

lets say no one carried guns do u think the world would be a better place? it might...
1. when there is war everyone would fight with swords thus killing more people
2. no one would be afraid to walk down the streets and get shot, they would now worry about being stabbed
3. everyone carrying a knife is called a pussy for self protection (but at least its not a gun)

now days everyone carries guns (so people think). see i would never try to rob anyone because i dont know if they have a gun or not...


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4252909 - 06/03/05 04:34 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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lol u guys r taking this way to far. everyone has there own reasons to carry a gun

1.fear/protection
2.someone really is out to get them
3.they just like guns

anyone else have an idea y people would carry guns?




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    #4252936 - 06/03/05 04:42 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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It is my right as an American to be able to bare arms.




I never said you couldnt own a gun.
Just that it isn't wise or safe to walk down the street with a loaded gun.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253779 - 06/03/05 08:09 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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I'm willing to bet it is the powerful feeling rather than any "safety" that the gun provides.



It depends upon the individual. I know plenty of people who carry guns for safety. Don't project your own mode of thinking onto others.

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If you said...."I carry a gun for protection/safety."

I would have to say that there are better ways to protect your self.



Only if you're willfully ignorant.

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I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.



You inability to conceptualize does not alter the fact. Ask yourself, why don't cops give up their guns then?

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Anyone who is carrying a gun around to be "safer" needs to rethink the reason they really have the gun.



I suppose it's preferable to be victimized?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253806 - 06/03/05 08:16 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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niteowl said:
Walking around in public with a loaded gun is just a recipe for trouble. There are better & safer ways to protect yourself.



I bet you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus as well.

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Anytime I hear of someone talk about carrying around a gun......I see a very insecure person trying to "sound big" by talking all this smack about their gun.



No, you project your prejudices and false assumptions upon others.

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IMO.....carrying a gun is done out of fear, only fear and nothing but fear. All other reasons fall apart under scrutiny.



The concept of insurance is alien to you? What is wrong with taking prudent steps to ensure your well being? Is everyone who buckles a seat belt before driving doing it out of fear? Is everyone who buys health insurance doing it out of fear? Is everyone who drives with brakes on their car doing so out of fear? Is it wrong to lock your doors at night?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4253842 - 06/03/05 08:26 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
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niteowl said:
I'm willing to bet it is the powerful feeling rather than any "safety" that the gun provides.



It depends upon the individual. I know plenty of people who carry guns for safety. Don't project your own mode of thinking onto others.




I still hold to the belief that their are safer/better ways to protect yourself than carrying around a loaded gun.
If you have to carry a gun for "protection" then you must be either doing something illegal, your in a place you don't need to be or your looking for trouble.



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If you said...."I carry a gun for protection/safety."

I would have to say that there are better ways to protect your self.



Only if you're willfully ignorant.




Please explain how it is ignorant to believe in a better form of protection than carrying a loaded gun.

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I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.



You inability to conceptualize does not alter the fact. Ask yourself, why don't cops give up their guns then?




If you have a job (cops, FBI, security guard...) that requires you to go into a dangerous situation, then a gun is needed.

For the average "guy on the street" there is no need for a gun.

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Anyone who is carrying a gun around to be "safer" needs to rethink the reason they really have the gun.



I suppose it's preferable to be victimized?




I never said you had to be a victim, just that there are better ways to protect yourself.



EVERY single person I have seen carrying a gun didn't have a permit to carry it, didn't really have a need for it and only carried it around for "bragging rights".

I have yet to see a regular person with a true need to carry a loaded gun.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253850 - 06/03/05 08:28 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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Having a gun only makes any situation more dangerous......not safer.



Another BS generalization. Sorry to burst you bubble, but REAL situations have come up that fly in the face of your fairy tale belief system.

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As I stated above there are safer ways to protect yourself.



Believing something does not make it so. Repeating a falsehood, does not change it's nature.

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A gun is not needed to be safe.



That really depends upon the situation.

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How is having a gun going to keep someone from harming you?



Duh! Imagination is not your strong suite is it?. I can cite numerous instances where private citizens have used guns to thwart violent actions, many times without firing a single shot.

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If someone is "out to get you" they aren't likely to come face to face.....your gonna get jumped from the back......gun is useless.



Again, it really depends upon the situation. It is irrational to think that all situations are the same.

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It all boils down to the powerful feeling you get with carrying a gun. Makes you feel like James Bond or John Wayne.



Only in your limited mode of thinking. Again, you are projecting your own prejudicial notions upon others. Judging your fellow man from a position of ignorance is not very wise.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253856 - 06/03/05 08:30 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

so you've been mislead by the wrong people? im sure there r plenty of "normal" people that carry a little 32 on there ankle and u would never even suspect them as being a gun lover. there r aslo people that have alot of money in there wallet and need a gun incase they get robbed such as rich people...just an example


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4253863 - 06/03/05 08:32 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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niteowl said:
Walking around in public with a loaded gun is just a recipe for trouble. There are better & safer ways to protect yourself.



I bet you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus as well.




:rolleyes:

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Anytime I hear of someone talk about carrying around a gun......I see a very insecure person trying to "sound big" by talking all this smack about their gun.



No, you project your prejudices and false assumptions upon others.




No thats from witnessing lots of people carrying around a gun just to show it off. Not for protection.

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IMO.....carrying a gun is done out of fear, only fear and nothing but fear. All other reasons fall apart under scrutiny.



The concept of insurance is alien to you?  What is wrong with taking prudent steps to ensure your well being?  Is everyone who buckles a seat belt before driving doing it out of fear?  Is everyone who buys health insurance doing it out of fear?  Is everyone who drives with brakes on their car doing so out of fear?  Is it wrong to lock your doors at night?





Please show me where I said that you should not protect yourself.
I just said that there are better ways to do it.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253866 - 06/03/05 08:33 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

I have a conceal and carry permit

I live way out in the country
not very much crime


I work in the city
my job just happens to be by the warehouse district.
lots of crime and bad people

I've had people try to carjack me before in my city
I carry a gun because I do fear fuckers trying to jack me for my shit

I took the course,paid my money,gave the feds my prints
I proved I'm an honest citizen and I know the law and how to properly use a gun

I need a gun for protection
a knife just dosen't cut it
nor does a baseball bat

a gun is the great equalizer.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: joe666]
    #4253872 - 06/03/05 08:36 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

exactly, id be completely comfortable being around someone that knows how to shoot a gun, and is responsible enough to know when not to pull it out, and if they do pull it out is planning to use it.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4253884 - 06/03/05 08:40 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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so you've been mislead by the wrong people? im sure there r plenty of "normal" people that carry a little 32 on there ankle and u would never even suspect them as being a gun lover. there r aslo people that have alot of money in there wallet and need a gun incase they get robbed such as rich people...just an example




I never said that people should not protect themself. Having a gun is not the best form of personal protection.

I have plenty of friends that have lots of money on their person that don't have to carry a gun around to feel safe.


Thats realy what carrying a gun around is all about....the illusion of sfety. You "feel" safe so you believe you are safe.

I can assure you that there are better ways to protect your self than carrying a loaded gun.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253887 - 06/03/05 08:41 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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niteowl said:
I still hold to the belief that their are safer/better ways to protect yourself than carrying around a loaded gun.



So what? Your belief is unsupported.

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If you have to carry a gun for "protection" then you must be either doing something illegal, your in a place you don't need to be or your looking for trouble.



Again, you demonstrate you limited ability to conceptualize. Some people live in bad neighborhoods. Some people work in certain areas where they are more likely to be victimized. Some people are limited in their physical capabilities to defend themselves.


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Please explain how it is ignorant to believe in a better form of protection than carrying a loaded gun.



Why don't you please explain how to defend yourself against a gun when you have no gun.

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For the average "guy on the street" there is no need for a gun.



That really depends upon how you define 'need.' I guess if you believe that people have no need to live or a woman has no 'need' to protect herself from rape, you may be onto something.

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I never said you had to be a victim, just that there are better ways to protect yourself.



Please explain how to protect yourself from an assailant armed with a firearm.

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I have yet to see a regular person with a true need to carry a loaded gun.



Just because you have limited experience and knowledge, does not change the facts of existence. There are cops who have never had to pull out their guns during their careers, would you suggest that they work without them?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253898 - 06/03/05 08:43 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

if ur smart about wut u do when in a situation and draw after he pulls a weapon (as long as theres witnesses then do this) then kill him and ull be fine because the witnesses will say they saw him pull a weapon and u acted in self defense.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253911 - 06/03/05 08:47 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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No thats from witnessing lots of people carrying around a gun just to show it off. Not for protection.



Well, I must associate with a better class of people than you.

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I just said that there are better ways to do it.



Well then. Give me a quick course on how to defend myself against 6 foot 5 inch muscular male, under the influence of narcotics and armed with a gun. Assume that I am a woman 5 feet 2 inches tall without the time, physical ability or desire to devote myself to becoming proficient in a martial art.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4253929 - 06/03/05 08:54 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
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niteowl said:
Having a gun only makes any situation more dangerous......not safer.



Another BS generalization.  Sorry to burst you bubble, but REAL situations have come up that fly in the face of your fairy tale belief system.




SO having a loaded gun is the safest form of protection that you can imagine......talk about having a limited imagination :rolleyes:


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As I stated above there are safer ways to protect yourself.



Believing something does not make it so.  Repeating a falsehood, does not change it's nature.




What falsehood have I repeated.
Believing that there are better means of protection than using a gun is false?

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A gun is not needed to be safe.



That really depends upon the situation.




Not really.

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How is having a gun going to keep someone from harming you?



Duh!  Imagination is not your strong suite is it?.  I can cite numerous instances where private citizens have used guns to thwart violent actions, many times without firing a single shot.




Then I was right the gun was not needed.

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If someone is "out to get you" they aren't likely to come face to face.....your gonna get jumped from the back......gun is useless.



Again, it really depends upon the situation.  It is irrational to think that all situations are the same.




It is just as irrational to believe that having a gun will solve every situation.

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It all boils down to the powerful feeling you get with carrying a gun. Makes you feel like James Bond or John Wayne.



Only in your limited mode of thinking.  Again, you are projecting your own prejudicial notions upon others.  Judging your fellow man from a position of ignorance is not very wise.




I still havent seen any solid evidence where a gun would be better than using some common sence.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253936 - 06/03/05 08:56 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

sometimes common sense cant help u because like i said before if someones going to kill u they WILL kill u unless u kill them first


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253953 - 06/03/05 09:02 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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Why carry a gun?





my newest reason: people will abandon all reason and logic to whine about it endlessly


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4253980 - 06/03/05 09:10 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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niteowl said:
I still hold to the belief that their are safer/better ways to protect yourself than carrying around a loaded gun.



So what?  Your belief is unsupported.




I have lived my whole live without having to carry a gun. That is all the support I need.
I have even had a gun pulled on me. Keeping your wits about you and not panicking will go lots farther that trying to get into a shooting match.

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If you have to carry a gun for "protection" then you must be either doing something illegal, your in a place you don't need to be or your looking for trouble.



Again, you demonstrate you limited ability to conceptualize.  Some people live in bad neighborhoods.  Some people work in certain areas where they are more likely to be victimized.  Some people are limited in their physical capabilities to defend themselves.




Talk about an inability to conceptualize :rolleyes:
So your saying that the only way to protect yourself is to carry a loaded gun around?


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Please explain how it is ignorant to believe in a better form of protection than carrying a loaded gun.



Why don't you please explain how to defend yourself against a gun when you have no gun.



Boy you don't think these responses thru too much do ya. If someone has a gun pointed at you...and you go for your gun.....BANG, your dead.

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For the average "guy on the street" there is no need for a gun.



That really depends upon how you define 'need.'  I guess if you believe that people have no need to live or a woman has no 'need' to protect herself from rape, you may be onto something.




You keep going back to the "I cant protect myself unless I have a gun" argument.
All I ever said was that there are better/safer ways to protect yourself.

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I never said you had to be a victim, just that there are better ways to protect yourself.



Please explain how to protect yourself from an assailant armed with a firearm.




See above.....once the gun is pointed at you....your having a gun is useless.

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I have yet to see a regular person with a true need to carry a loaded gun.



Just because you have limited experience and knowledge, does not change the facts of existence.  There are cops who have never had to pull out their guns during their careers, would you suggest that they work without them?




We aren't talking about cops...just the average Joe in the street.

Please pay attention.
I do get tired of having to repeat myself.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4253983 - 06/03/05 09:13 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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sometimes common sense cant help u because like i said before if someones going to kill u they WILL kill u unless u kill them first




I would be willing to bet that if someone truly wanted you dead...your owning a gun isn't going to do much to stop them.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4253985 - 06/03/05 09:14 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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SO having a loaded gun is the safest form of protection that you can imagine.....



I did not say that nor did I imply that. However, in certain situations a handgun may be the best tool for defense.


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Believing that there are better means of protection than using a gun is false?



If you think that is the case in all situations, yes.

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Not really.



So do you deny that situations can vary?

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Then I was right the gun was not needed.



No you were not right. I was referring to specific individuals living specific lives. It is irrational to assume that all people experience life identically. In fact, it just isn't so. It is also irrational to assume that just because you have experienced your whole life without the need to resort to the use of a firearm to defend yourself on another innocent person, that the situation will never arise.

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It is just as irrational to believe that having a gun will solve every situation.



Indeed it is, I have never said, nor have I implied that a gun will solve every situation.

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I still havent seen any solid evidence where a gun would be better than using some common sence.



Sometimes, it is common sense to use a gun. Common sense does not preclude the use of different tools for different situations, in fact it demands it.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4253993 - 06/03/05 09:17 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

I'm having handgun withdrawals.  I want my gat.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4254001 - 06/03/05 09:19 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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Well then. Give me a quick course on how to defend myself against 6 foot 5 inch muscular male, under the influence of narcotics and armed with a gun. Assume that I am a woman 5 feet 2 inches tall without the time, physical ability or desire to devote myself to becoming proficient in a martial art.




Boy..you sure do like pulling dramatic scenarios out of your ass don't ya. A tazer or pepper spray will stop any attacker.

If the person is so drug crazed that a tazer or pepper spray doesn't effect them, guess what, a bullet won't either.

I have seen drug crazed people get shot point blank and never feel it.

So again how is the gun going to be of any help in that scenario?

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4254002 - 06/03/05 09:19 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

also, it all depends on where u live, if u live in the ghetto then yes i would recommend a gun. if u live in a peaceful environment then yes theres no need for a gun and would be pointless to carry around. so we're all right in some way, yes a gun can do bad, and yes it can do alot of good, its all abuot where u live when it comes down to it.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4254009 - 06/03/05 09:21 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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I have seen drug crazed people get shot point blank and never feel it.






Were you on the SWAT team or something?

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4254046 - 06/03/05 09:33 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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I have lived my whole live without having to carry a gun. That is all the support I need.



Are you everyone? Have you experienced all situations that have confronted every individual on the planet throughout the history of the earth?

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I have even had a gun pulled on me.



So then you cannot speak for the great number of people both living and dead who have had guns pulled on them, as you have no relevant experience on which to draw.

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Keeping your wits about you and not panicking will go lots farther that trying to get into a shooting match.



Who said anything about trying to get in a shooting match? Is is a witless insinuation to suggest that just because someone has a firearm for self-defense that he/she is 'trying to get into a shooting match.'

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So your saying that the only way to protect yourself is to carry a loaded gun around?



No, try reading my actual words instead of constantly engaging in hyperbole and the expression of baseless assumptions.

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Boy you don't think these responses thru too much do ya. If someone has a gun pointed at you...and you go for your gun.....BANG, your dead.



Actually, I've thought it through quite a lot. It is extraordinarily ignorant to assume that all encounters will unfold as you have described above. It just ain't so.

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You keep going back to the "I cant protect myself unless I have a gun" argument.



No I haven't. Please do not misrepresent what I say. Address my actual words instead of making things up so you can pretend you have made a rebuttal. The fact is, that there are some situations where a gun is the best defense.

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All I ever said was that there are better/safer ways to protect yourself.



PROVE IT.

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once the gun is pointed at you....your having a gun is useless.



Again, that really depends on the situation. As you are one who has never had a gun pulled on him, I am amazed that you can be so confident in your ignorance.

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We aren't talking about cops...just the average Joe in the street.



I am well aware of what we are talking about. It doesn't change the fact that in certain situations a firearm may be the best method of defending yourself.

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I do get tired of having to repeat myself.



Maybe you should exhibit a little more flexibility in your thinking.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4254071 - 06/03/05 09:43 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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niteowl said:
SO having a loaded gun is the safest form of protection that you can imagine.....



I did not say that nor did I imply that. However, in certain situations a handgun may be the best tool for defense.




I have a hard time imagining a situation where my having a gun will make the situation better. Every situation mentioned in this thread so far could have been handled just as effectively with a tazer or mace.


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Believing that there are better means of protection than using a gun is false?



If you think that is the case in all situations, yes.



Again, I have yet to hear of a situation that could not have been handled just as well with the tazer or mace.

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Not really.



So do you deny that situations can vary?




I agree that no two situations will be the same, just that there will always be a better way to handle the situation than using a gun.

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Then I was right the gun was not needed.



No you were not right. I was referring to specific individuals living specific lives. It is irrational to assume that all people experience life identically. In fact, it just isn't so. It is also irrational to assume that just because you have experienced your whole life without the need to resort to the use of a firearm to defend yourself on another innocent person, that the situation will never arise.




You said...
"Duh! Imagination is not your strong suite is it?. I can cite numerous instances where private citizens have used guns to thwart violent actions, many times without firing a single shot."

If they didn't have to fire the gun...then it wasn't needed. Some other form of intimidation would have worked just as well.

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It is just as irrational to believe that having a gun will solve every situation.



Indeed it is, I have never said, nor have I implied that a gun will solve every situation.




No, you just believe that a gun is the answer on certain occasions and I believe that all situations can be handled with out the use of a gun.

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I still haven't seen any solid evidence where a gun would be better than using some common sense.



Sometimes, it is common sense to use a gun. Common sense does not preclude the use of different tools for different situations, in fact it demands it.




I agree that there are certain situations that a gun is needed ( hunting, target practice...). It is not something that you should walk around in public with.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4254098 - 06/03/05 09:48 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

:lol: dont u guys think this has gotten a little out of hand here, i mean we r basically going around in circles. lets just smoke a bowl and forget about guns for now *passes bowl to left*


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4254131 - 06/03/05 09:54 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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i mean we r basically going around in circles. 




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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4254138 - 06/03/05 09:55 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

You seem to be the one having trouble reading what I have written.

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I have even had a gun pulled on me.



So then you cannot speak for the great number of people both living and dead who have had guns pulled on them, as you have no relevant experience on which to draw.




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]once the gun is pointed at you....your having a gun is useless.



Again, that really depends on the situation. As you are one who has never had a gun pulled on him, I am amazed that you can be so confident in your ignorance.




Hello.....I have had a gun pointed at me.

I'm still glad I didn't have one.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4254159 - 06/03/05 09:59 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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Boy..you sure do like pulling dramatic scenarios out of your ass don't ya.



On the contrary, predators tend to single out those who they believe are weak.

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A tazer or pepper spray will stop any attacker.



You are either lying or hopelessly ignorant. Do you remember the incident that sparked the last L.A. riots? Rodney King was tazed and didn't stop. This is not an isolated incident. Police departments do not depend on tazers or pepper spray precisely because they are less reliable than firearms. Nor do they rely on firearms for every situation (as you keep implying about your opponents -very dishonest).

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If the person is so drug crazed that a tazer or pepper spray doesn't effect them, guess what, a bullet won't either.



Another ignorant proclamation. Tell me Einstein, how putting a bullet through an assailant's chest and destroying his heart won't effect him. Explain to me in medical terms how the back of a human head can explode from hydrostatic pressure of a .45, releasing brain matter and stopping copious amounts of blood from circulating, will not result in the loss of function to an individual.

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I have seen drug crazed people get shot point blank and never feel it.



Boy..you sure do like pulling dramatic scenarios out of your ass don't ya. Do tell. What type of guns were used? Where was the person struck? Why was the shot not followed up?

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So again how is the gun going to be of any help in that scenario?



Boy..you sure do like pulling dramatic scenarios out of your ass don't ya. Not all situation are as the lie which you just told. I never said that a gun was a guarantee, I did say that there are occasions where it is the best method of self defense. This does not imply that it would always be successful. Nor does this imply that it is always the best method. However, it does not logically follow that you should not attempt to defend yourself with a firearm should the need arise. Nor am I suggesting that you should put yourself in situations which can endanger you but you are able to avoid.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4254177 - 06/03/05 10:03 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

To no one in particular, or whoever is against owning guns. I did not read your fued...





Really, does it matter? Does it matter what one side thinks in a war, does it matter what the wrong side of the gun thinks? Will it change anything to be against an unstopable force? Will guns ever be banned? No.
Will you be able to make your own choices? Will you be free to decide if you want to carry a gun or not? Will you accept your death as an un-armed citizen with a free hand? Will you arm yourself accordingly if you decide not to carry a gun.
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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4254179 - 06/03/05 10:04 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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You seem to be the one having trouble reading what I have written.



My apologies. The fact still stands that not all situations end up as favorably as yours. I have two friends who were shot dead, unarmed and doing nothing to provoke the assailants.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4254213 - 06/03/05 10:14 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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I have a hard time imagining a situation where my having a gun will make the situation better.



So?

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Every situation mentioned in this thread so far could have been handled just as effectively with a tazer or mace.



Wrong.

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Again, I have yet to hear of a situation that could not have been handled just as well with the tazer or mace.



Tazers don't always work.
Mace doesn't always work.
Tazers don't always work.
Mace doesn't always work.
Tazers don't always work.
Mace doesn't always work.
Tazers don't always work.
Mace doesn't always work.
Tazers don't always work.
Mace doesn't always work.
Tazers don't always work.
Mace doesn't always work.

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I agree that no two situations will be the same, just that there will always be a better way to handle the situation than using a gun.



Always? How do you know?

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If they didn't have to fire the gun...then it wasn't needed. Some other form of intimidation would have worked just as well.



Do you think a knife is as effective a deterrent as a gun against an assailant wielding a pipe? Is the sound of a person unholstering a can of mace as effective as the sound of a twelve gauge shotgun chambering a round? I know what's more effective should intimidation not work.

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I agree that there are certain situations that a gun is needed ( hunting, target practice...).



What has a better chance, a can of mace vs. a firearm or a firearm vs. a firearm? What has a better chance, a tazer vs. a firearm or a firearm vs. a firearm?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4254217 - 06/03/05 10:15 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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:lol: dont u guys think this has gotten a little out of hand here, i mean we r basically going around in circles. lets just smoke a bowl and forget about guns for now *passes bowl to left*





:lol::yesnod:
I have a hard time walking away when someone tries to tell me that I dont know what Im talkling about, or I havent thought the issue thru.

Most people probably think I'm some sort of anti-gun fanatic.........but I'm not, I assure ya.

I believe in every ones right to own a gun. I even own guns myself.

I just believe that a guns place isn't in the streets. Virtually every situation that you can imagine can be handled just as well using some other form of protection.

The people that I have seen that carry a gun with them everywhere, are scared. They have the gun out of fear. It makes them feel safe

What I'm suggesting is that the sense of safety is an illusion, a farce. You are putting all your faith in the gun's ability to keep you safe. When, with a little more confidence and a different weapon.....the end result will be the same.

So the gun isn't really needed.......just wanted.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4254246 - 06/03/05 10:26 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

Edit by Ripple:

Goodby Puppet!

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: JihadISfreind]
    #4254280 - 06/03/05 10:37 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

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Ok idd like to see ur hippy ass make it alive if you are attacked by muslim radicals armed with ak-47s.



Ohhhhh....did I touch a nerve.  :lol:

If radical Muslims did attacked with AK-47's....while you jump up to fight back....getting shot in the process.

My "hippie ass" will be sitting in a chair toking on a joint. Offering it up to our confused Muslim brothers.

Me owning a gun will only quicken my death.

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Go stick a taker up ur ass.



I think I lost ya on that one......stick a taker up my ass?????? wtf
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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4254299 - 06/03/05 10:44 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

basically your both right, check it out

example 1- ur at a bar and someone wants to fight u cause u were hittin on his girl

option 1- u can whoop out ur pistol and either pop him or try to scare him away. bad idea because he might come back pissed and kill u while your backs turned

option 2- u can try to reason with him and try to calm him down before shit goes down. alot better idea because when someones mad at u the worst thing to do is make them more mad

example 2- a drugged up man is coming at u with a weapon

option 1- u can try to fend him off with close quarter arms such as stun guns or pepper spray. most likely thats gonna piss him off more and by that time ull be dead.

option 2- you can pop him right in the face and stop him instantly thus eliminating the threat. probly the better idea in this situation because hes not stopping without extreme force

so having a gun can be both good and bad it just depends how responsible u are with it


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #4940812 - 11/16/05 09:08 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

BETTER TO HAVE A GUN AND NOT NEED IT THAN NEED A GUN AND NOT HAVE IT.

Personally, I have a 12 gauge in the house (for defense and for bird hunting), a .40S&W in the car (for fucking car jackers), .380 for concealed carry (for working in shitty neighborhoods where getting robbed and killed is an everyday occurance) and a tiny can of MP Pepperspray (for the situations where lethal force isn't warrented, (ie. dogs, drugged up or drunk idiots looking for a fight).

I'm of the opinion that if you need to show your gun to make you feel tough, you're going to get shot, plain and simple. Why? Showing someone your gun to spook 'em is only going to piss them off so they'll go get their gun to "show" you they aren't afraid of you... usually while you aren't looking. You only pull a gun when YOUR LIFE IS THREATENED. This doesn't apply to little fags trying to make people think they're hard or whatever. They usually get what's comming to them for being irresponsible little shits.

NEVER BRING A KNIFE TO A GUNFIGHT.

Duh.... if someone is shooting at you and you haven't already been killed, what are you going to do if you don't have a gun? Punch them? Give them the lethal 9 fingers of death kung-fu poke? Whatever... you're going to lay there and get killed. Personally, if someone wants to take me out, I'd like to have the means to try and take them with me. Justice for the just.

You're damn right when you say people carry guns out of fear, but at least with proper training and a gun you can even the odds a bit. That alliveates at least some of that fear.

I don't know how many of you are ex-military, but once you been shot at a few times, you sure aren't looking for your pepperspray. Your looking for the BFG (biggest fucking gun) you can get pointed in that direction. At least then you have a chance at surviving... go running into bullet flight paths with your knives, swords, and pepperspray and your hamburger. NOTHING ELSE HAS THE STOPPING POWER OF A BULLET. PERIOD. (Unless your packing a LAW rocket or something... and good luck getting a concealed carry for that. LOL)


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: mediman0078]
    #4940837 - 11/16/05 09:17 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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NOTHING ELSE HAS THE STOPPING POWER OF A BULLET. PERIOD.




except maybe a ford truck

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4940859 - 11/16/05 09:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

ok, i'll give ya that... I definently wouldn't wanna get smacked by a truck.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: mediman0078]
    #4940881 - 11/16/05 09:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I carry a hand grenade and surprisingly most people with guns just back away slowly and put the guns away just as slow  :wink:

Then there's my leather c4 vest.... gets em everytime!

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4940894 - 11/16/05 09:39 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Why carry a gun...

when you can carry a RUSSIAN ROCKET LAUNCHER!


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Konnrade]
    #4940910 - 11/16/05 09:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

A russian RPG... That'd make me shit my pants. (nice little carry case for the extra shells there...) The only thing I hate about those things is all the burning propellent that flies back into your face when you shoot it. That shit hurts. (Wear your safety goggles!)

The explosive vest would be pretty effective too... I'd back off. LOL


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: mediman0078]
    #4940956 - 11/16/05 10:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

What happen to our constitutional right to have one. I don't ask why someone drives a SUV. Is it because it makes you feel safe, you like the power etc. If you want one then get one if you don't than don't.

There is something that always makes us want the bigger cooler thing whether it going from cakes to casings, compact cars to SUV's or .22 cal to .308.

I want a G3 .308 but that's me.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: WhiteBunny]
    #4940983 - 11/16/05 10:13 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Why not the Barrett .50 BMG? Effective range of almost a mile. Snipers love 'em. They're heavy buggers though, sure wouldn't wanna lug one around deer hunting...lol.

That is if ya have the extra $4000 sitting around burning a hole in your pocket. :laugh:


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: WhiteBunny]
    #4941151 - 11/16/05 10:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't ask why someone drives a SUV. Is it because it makes you feel safe





feeling and being are much different critters

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: mediman0078]
    #4941160 - 11/16/05 10:57 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Why not the Barrett .50 BMG?




why not?



you can get a .50 starting at about $1500

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4941233 - 11/16/05 11:12 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'll say one thing about those Barretts, without that blowback muzzle break at the barrel tip the recoil will beat the hell outta ya. The semi-auto ones the Marines carry are the shit! $1500? That must be the single shot model, right?


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4941235 - 11/16/05 11:12 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

why spend that much on a rifle?

for $1500 I could buy some cheap-ass east european used car, and rig it into a fine peice of old fashioned carbomb. Nothing says "I love you" like supersonic shrapnel from an exploding peugot


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Konnrade]
    #4941252 - 11/16/05 11:16 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You plan on hunting with car bombs? I wanna see that!!!


(We completely hijacked this thread...)


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4941255 - 11/16/05 11:17 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

if you have one, and you're licensed to carry it, why not?

i can think of a couple reasons, but they aren't that major.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: mediman0078]
    #4941262 - 11/16/05 11:19 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I'll say one thing about those Barretts, without that blowback muzzle break at the barrel tip the recoil will beat the hell outta ya. The semi-auto ones the Marines carry are the shit! $1500? That must be the single shot model, right?




notice the magazine at the bottom, its' semi auto, I also have one in bolt action
with 3 round mag

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4941268 - 11/16/05 11:21 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i carry a gun for shoosting people


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    #4941269 - 11/16/05 11:22 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I carry a gun to look coowull in front of my boyz.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: niteowl]
    #4941271 - 11/16/05 11:23 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Is it for safety?....
....or is it the sense of power you get knowing that your carrying a gun

I'm willing to bet it is the powerful feeling rather than any "safety" that the gun provides.


If you said...."I carry a gun for protection/safety."

I would have to say that there are better ways to protect your self.

I can think of NO situation where a gun would be better/safer than a can of mace/pepper spray or a good tazer.


Anyone who is carrying a gun around to be "safer" needs to rethink the reason they really have the gun.




Some situations where a gun is far better than mace or a good tazer:

1.) When the mere presence of a gun clarifies the mind of the would-be attacker.
2.) When the attacker is upwind of you.
3.) When an attacker has a knife and using a stun gun would put you in harm's way.
4.) When there are multiple attackers...

and so forth and so on. Did you really think about this before you posted it? If mace and tazers are such good protection, then why do cops carry both AND a gun?

And BTW, the Chicago cops and the manufacturer of 'tazers' are being sued because the cops tazered a meth user and his heart stopped.

reference: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-taser12.html

If this is a serious question I'd be happy to discuss it further. I'm willing to bet you cannot name a single situation where mace or a taser offer better protection than a gun.

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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4941378 - 11/16/05 11:45 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I'll say one thing about those Barretts, without that blowback muzzle break at the barrel tip the recoil will beat the hell outta ya. The semi-auto ones the Marines carry are the shit! $1500? That must be the single shot model, right?




notice the magazine at the bottom, its' semi auto, I also have one in bolt action
with 3 round mag




Ah, thought that was a stock photo... I shot one of the semis. It was a hoot.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4941402 - 11/16/05 11:49 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Why not the Barrett .50 BMG?




why not?



you can get a .50 starting at about $1500




Come to think of it, if the guy in that photo wore apparel a bit more eastern, he'd look rather like a terrorist.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Konnrade]
    #4941540 - 11/16/05 12:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

BETTER TO HAVE ONE AND NOT NEED IT THAN TO NEED ONE AND NOT HAVE ONE.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: Srirachi]
    #4942030 - 11/16/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

HEY!!! I JUST THOUGHT OF THIS!!!

instead of carrying my nine im gonna start carrying a tranq gun.

shoosting people is mean.


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Re: Why carry a gun? [Re: keefboy]
    #4942441 - 11/16/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Tranquilizers, even the better ones, that are delivered via hypodermic projectiles still take a little while to start working. If you're in a pinch, you may just wind up having the assailant fall asleep next to your corpse. Yes, he'll certainly be caught, but you wind up as worm food.


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