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Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research 3
#17497403 - 01/04/13 02:50 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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1-3 Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense
We use epidemiological theory to explain why the "false positive" problem for rare events can lead to large overestimates of the incidence of rare diseases or rare phenomena such as self-defense gun use. We then try to validate the claims of many millions of annual self-defense uses against available evidence. We find that the claim of many millions of annual self-defense gun uses by American citizens is invalid.
Hemenway, David. Survey research and self-defense gun use: An explanation of extreme overestimates. Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology. 1997; 87:1430-1445.
Hemenway, David. The myth of millions of annual self-defense gun uses: A case study of survey overestimates of rare events. Chance (American Statistical Association). 1997; 10:6-10.
Cook, Philip J; Ludwig, Jens; Hemenway, David. The gun debate's new mythical number: How many defensive uses per year? Journal of Policy Analysis and Management. 1997; 16:463-469.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/
Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments and are both socially undesirable and illegal
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Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense.
Guns in the home are used more often to intimidate intimates than to thwart crime.
Adolescents are far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use one in self-defense.
Across states, more guns = more female violent deaths
Across high income countries more guns = more female homicide deaths.
The list is endless
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Mafeki]
#17497434 - 01/04/13 02:54 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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More freedom vs. More deaths?
Hard decision, if guns are taken away, what will be next?
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Mafeki]
#17497436 - 01/04/13 02:55 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey..."
oh , Harvard.
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Mafeki
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: unam sanctum]
#17497481 - 01/04/13 03:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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A survey's a survey.
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Across states, more guns = more suicide (2) (cross sectional analyses)
Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and suicide across states, 1999-2001. States with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm suicide and overall suicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups. It remained true after accounting for poverty, urbanization and unemployment. There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm suicide.
Miller, Matthew; Lippmann, Steven; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership and rates of suicide across U.S. states. Journal of Trauma. 2007; 62:1029-35.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Mafeki]
#17497504 - 01/04/13 03:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Small price to pay.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Mafeki]
#17497522 - 01/04/13 03:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mafeki said: A survey's a survey.
Except of course the ones showing that guns are used millions of times each year in self defense.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: xanderofpella]
#17497530 - 01/04/13 03:10 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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If one person should be free to defend themselves with a weapon, why shouldn't communities be free to protect itself by reducing the number of guns available? Even the 2nd ammendment says that arms should be well regulated.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: moonrockmushy]
#17497542 - 01/04/13 03:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because it's been shown that states with liberal firearms laws have lower rates of violent crime?
Because it's been shown that legal firearms owners commit crimes at a rate far lower than others?
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Mafeki]
#17497563 - 01/04/13 03:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mafeki said: Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense.
self defense doesnt mean you have to shoot someone, drawing the weapon is usually more than enough
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Guns in the home are used more often to intimidate intimates than to thwart crime.
bullshit, guns in the home are more often untouched than used for anything
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Adolescents are far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use one in self-defense.
adolescents arent, by law, allowed to own a gun
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Across states, more guns = more female violent deaths
bullshit. show the evidence, state by state breakdown on firearms deaths relating to sex
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Across high income countries more guns = more female homicide deaths.
really? so what about the low income countries where guns are heavily restricted
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The list is endless
the list is liberal bullshit
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#17497566 - 01/04/13 03:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Because it's been shown that states with liberal firearms laws have lower rates of violent crime?
What? Who showed this how?Quote:
Because it's been shown that legal firearms owners commit crimes at a rate far lower than others?
Where do you think that illegal guns come from? The illegal gun factory?
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: moonrockmushy]
#17497570 - 01/04/13 03:16 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can pry my gun from my cold dead body.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#17497575 - 01/04/13 03:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Because it's been shown that states with liberal firearms laws have lower rates of violent crime?
like california who has some of the strictest laws in the nation but they have 1400 gun related homicides per year
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: moonrockmushy]
#17497580 - 01/04/13 03:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Where do you think that illegal guns come from? The illegal gun factory?
Barack Obama and Erick Holder
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: moonrockmushy]
#17497595 - 01/04/13 03:19 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: If one person should be free to defend themselves with a weapon, why shouldn't communities be free to protect itself by reducing the number of guns available? Even the 2nd ammendment says that arms should be well regulated.
the bill of rights says that "the right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"
maybe you should read the second amendment because you clearly have no clue what it says should be regulated
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Prisoner#1]
#17497613 - 01/04/13 03:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guns don't kill people..... Hammers do! Gun laws don't detour gun crime you need more research not liberal propaganda.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Mafeki]
#17497616 - 01/04/13 03:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd be interested in seeing the actual papers.
It's always interesting to see the numbers and "facts" that start flying in firearms debates.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Prisoner#1]
#17497619 - 01/04/13 03:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Sounds to me like guns are there to ensure the security of the community (the state), not necessarily every single individual.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: moonrockmushy]
#17497628 - 01/04/13 03:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: If one person should be free to defend themselves with a weapon, why shouldn't communities be free to protect itself by reducing the number of guns available? Even the 2nd ammendment says that arms should be well regulated.
Actually this is a quote from the actuall amendment Learn before you speak. a well regulated militia is what it says! A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Prisoner#1]
#17497644 - 01/04/13 03:26 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: self defense doesnt mean you have to shoot someone, drawing the weapon is usually more than enough
Okay?
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bullshit, guns in the home are more often untouched than used for anything
what is that based on person experience? lol
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bullshit. show the evidence, state by state breakdown on firearms deaths relating to sex
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Across states, more guns = more female violent deaths
We analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and unintentional gun death, homicide and suicide for women across the 50 states over a ten year period. Women in states with many guns have elevated rates of unintentional gun deaths, suicides and homicide, particularly firearm suicides and firearm homicides.
Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and unintentional firearm deaths, suicide, and homicide among women. Journal of Urban Health. 2002; 79:26-38.
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really? so what about the low income countries where guns are heavily restricted
They used data from 26 developed countries.
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Re: Revealing research about guns: Harvard Firearm Research [Re: Icepic]
#17497647 - 01/04/13 03:27 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icepic said: Guns don't kill people..... Hammers do! Gun laws don't detour gun crime you need more research not liberal propaganda.
more people die from intentional poisoning than from gunshot wounds
maybe we should add regulations for poisoning people, maybe restrict the number of poisons people can buy and in what quantities
more people die from traffic accidents than from gunshot wounds
maybe we should add regulations for cars, maybe restrict the number of cars people can buy and what types, I mean really.. does anyone need a hummer or an escalade? those things are lethal
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