Patlal said:

Nice post OP.

I can't wait to see the gun nuts trying to go up against the research of the most respect university on earth that only accepts the best and brightest among us.

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2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s.  We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.

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Patlal said:

You know Pris, normally you're one of the most logic and intelligent poster of the shroomery. But when it comes to guns, you simply lose it apparently. You refuse to accept the fact.

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You may or may not realize this, but you are trying to disprove an extensive Harvard research paper made by people with doctorates in all kinds of field. Do you know how ridiculous it makes you sound?

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Its scientifically accurate.
Come on man...

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Spacerific said:

Check out this list: List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Especially the breakdown of homicide/suicide for the US is quite amazing. Compare with other countries and wonder

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Prisoner#1 said:

and this is where we know it's complete bullshit

Kennesaw Ga, they passed a law stating that every home owner must own a gun
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/kennesaw/crime/

25 years without a murder and still one of the safest cities in the world
http://www.dailypaul.com/267692/25-years-murder-free-in-gun-town-usa



Marietta, it sits right next to Kennesaw, averaging 5 murders per year, high
incidents of rape and other violent crimes
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/marietta/crime/



guns make us safer, some cherry picked bullshit from UltraLiberal® Harvard doesnt change the facts

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Some gun policy evaluations are designed to ensure that no effect will be found.

This article on statistics describes the limitations of studies that claim no effect of gun shows, and no effect of the Australian gun buyback.

Hemenway, David.  How to find nothing.  Journal of Public Health Policy. 2009; 30:260-68.

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1. Batterers’ use guns in a variety of ways to intimidate their victims

We analyzed survey data collected from over 8,000 males enrolled in a certified batterer intervention program in Massachusetts, 1999-2003.  Recent gun owners were 8 times more likely to have threatened their partners with a gun than non-gun owners.  Four main types of gun threat against partners were (a) threatening to shoot then, (b) threatening to shoot a pet or person the victim cares about, (c) cleaning, holding or loading a gun during an argument, and (d) shooting a gun during an argument.

Rothman, Emily; Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah.  Batterers’ use of guns to threaten intimate partners. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association, 2005; 60:62-68.


2. Batterers with guns are more dangerous than batterers without guns.

We analyzed survey data of over 4,500 men in Massachusetts batterers’ intervention programs. Risk factors for having a gun included having gambling problems, having attempted murder, and having threatened a partner with a firearm.

Rothman, Emily F.; Johnson. Renee M.; Hemenway, David.  Gun possession among a sample of Massachusetts batterer program enrollees.  Evaluation Review. 2006; 30:283-95.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Spacerific said:

Check out this list: List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Especially the breakdown of homicide/suicide for the US is quite amazing. Compare with other countries and wonder

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multitudes of years and sources. they arent comparing a single year and source

here's you one... it shows switzerland right up there with the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence

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Haha, thanks for proving my point for me

Both Firearm homicide rate and Overall homicide rate per 100,000 tell the tale of how the US is actually doing. Use those buttons at the top to order the list by either one, and see the (few) countries that are doing worse. Then look (a long long way down) to find most Western European countries where these things are pretty much an oddity.

In fact this whole thread is extremely peculiar to me. Owning a gun is something I never even considered, nor would I want people in most countries I visit to own them. Between the cops and the military, I think there's enough wackos with guns around, we definitely don't need more.

Oh and US people who cling to guns like they will actually do any good defending your freedoms, you seem to forget that that whole country is corporation-owned and run, tobacco and alcohol interests decide who the cops throw in jail, other interests decide where your troops go to blow up brown people, and come back as invalids themselves, and so on. At no point are you, individually or collectively, likely to defend yourself against that kind of thing with your pea-shooter. In other words, adding more guns to a fucked up system will not un-fuck it, on the contrary. The numbers in those lists show that quite clearly, and you have to wonder about the HUGE suicide rate in the US, from that first list.

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The risks of a gun in the home typically far outweigh the benefits

This article summarizes the scientific literature on the health risks and benefits of having a gun in the home for the gun owner and his/her family and concludes that for most contemporary Americans, the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit

Hemenway, David. Risks and benefits of a gun in the home. American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine  2011; 5:502-511.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Patlal said:

You know Pris, normally you're one of the most logic and intelligent poster of the shroomery. But when it comes to guns, you simply lose it apparently. You refuse to accept the fact.

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what fact?

the fact that it's funds driven research with the funding for this study being sourced from these kind folks

http://www.joycefdn.org/myths-and-facts-about-gun-violence-in-america/

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You may or may not realize this, but you are trying to disprove an extensive Harvard research paper made by people with doctorates in all kinds of field. Do you know how ridiculous it makes you sound?

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it's liberal talking points gleaned from dozens of so called studies with
nothing provided to the public to verify the data. Dr. Judy Wood has a
doctorate in materials engineering and yet we see how retarded that cunt is,
we also know from many past 'studies' that the letters after a name mean
nothing more than they payed a lot of money for someone to look up to them
and try to use them as a source, ie; "appeal to authority"

how many studies have been released by these so called educated people that
show that marijuana causes psychosis, cancer and brain damage. do we opt to
believe these studies too?


come now... do we believe everything from the so called educated people or not

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Its scientifically accurate.
Come on man...

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then where's the full text of the study

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withoutawire said:

Here's a short video helping you understand why the amount of guns has little relevance to how much crime exists. It's about 6 minutes and I know you spent more time reading some liberal propaganda bullshit. What's your idea? We will ban away violence with guns like how banning prostitution, alcohol, and drugs worked so effectively? Last time I checked that caused a higher rate of abuse/violence than regulation. Funny how that works.

99% of the time guns are not  fired to thwart a crime. Recent studies have shown millions of crimes stopped every year with a firearm are only from displaying that gun. Intimidation is an important tool in saving lives.


Here are some more interesting gun control facts

The virgin tech shooter used 10rd mags to kill his victims
Columbine occured during an assault weapon ban
The biggest mass murders have happened with bombs or airplanes, aka timothy mcvay. Should we regulate fertilizer as well? Maybe if we did that he wouldn't have blown up the federal building.



In today's world guns are how we defend ourselves. That's a sad reality about who we are as humans. Blaming the technology for a human issue is like blaming video games for violence.

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The United States has a very high rate of firearm death


Using recent data from the World Health Organization (WHO), this paper provides striking evidence on the size of the U.S. problems of gun homicide, overall homicide, gun suicide, and unintentional gun death compared to other advanced countries—for both genders and every age group.

Richardson, Erin G; Hemenway, David. Homicide, suicide and unintentional firearm fatality: comparing the United States with other high-income countries, 2003. Journal of Trauma, 2011; 70:238-43.

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Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense.


Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Center, we examined the extent and nature of offensive gun use.  We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense. All reported cases of criminal gun use, as well as many of the so-called self-defense gun uses, appear to be socially undesirable.

Hemenway, David; Azrael, Deborah. The relative frequency of offensive and defensive gun use: Results of a national survey. Violence and Victims. 2000; 15:257-272.

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According to Dr. Gary Kleck, criminologist at Florida State University in Tallahassee and author of "Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America," a book used by many in the gun debate, 800,000-2,500,000 crimes are stopped by guns each year. The numbers are from different studies.

Interesting Statistics:

There were over 19,000 deaths by accidental drug overdose in 2004. The majority of these deaths were from prescription drugs, not illegal drugs. Banning prescription drugs makes as much sense as banning guns.

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The United States has a very high rate of firearm death

Using recent data from the World Health Organization (WHO), this paper provides striking evidence on the size of the U.S. problems of gun homicide, overall homicide, gun suicide, and unintentional gun death compared to other advanced countries—for both genders and every age group.

Richardson, Erin G; Hemenway, David. Homicide, suicide and unintentional firearm fatality: comparing the United States with other high-income countries, 2003. Journal of Trauma, 2011; 70:238-43.

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1. In Jamaica, most gun homicides occur during disputes or are revenge killings.

We read the police narratives for every homicide in Jamaica, 1998-2002. The murder rate has been increasing steadily in Jamaica, and most of the murders are with firearms.  The principal motives are disputes and revenge.  Drugs, gangs, and political killings are no longer the main factors associated with murder.

Lemard, Glendene; Hemenway, David. Violence in Jamaica: An analysis of homicides 1998-2002. Injury Prevention. 2006; 12:15-18.


2. In Canada, most firearm deaths occur within 24 hours of the shooting

Using data for all firearm-injured patients in the Canadian National Trauma Registry, we evaluated demographic and causal factors of injury.  We found that about 40% of the shooting victims died in-hospital, with 83% of fatalities occurring on the first day.  ISS score, first systolic blood pressure, first Glasgow Coma Scale score, male gender and self-inflicted injury were all predictors of in-hospital death.

Finley, Christian J; Hemenway, David; Clifton, Joanne; Brown D Ross; Simons, Richard K; Hameed S Morad.  The demographics of significant firearm injury in Canadian trauma centres and the associated predictors of in-hospital mortality.  Canadian Journal of Surgery. 2008; 51:197-203.


3. In Mexico as in the USA, more guns = more gun suicide; gun ownership levels are not related to non-gun suicide

We assess the relationship between handgun prevalence and firearm suicide across the 32 states of Mexico for 2005.  Where there were more handguns, there were more firearm suicides.  There was no relationship between handgun prevalence and non-firearm suicides.

Miller, Matthew; Borges, Guiherme. Firearms and suicide in Mexico: Intimations of mortality. Journal of Youth Studies. In press.


4. Israel and Switzerland are not awash with firearms

Gun advocates cite Switzerland and Israel as exemplars of nations with widespread gun ownership, permissive gun laws, and encouragement of armed civilians who can deter and thwart shootings.  These claims are evaluated with analysis of the International Crime Victimization Survey data and translation of laws and original source material.  Compared with the United States, Switzerland and Israel have lower rates of gun ownership, stricter gun control laws, and their policies discourage gun ownership.

Rosenbaum, Janet E. Gun utopias? Firearm access and ownership in Israel and Switzerland. Journal of Public Health Policy. 2012; 33:46-58.

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withoutawire said:

Maybe you should stop checking out the brady campaign just like I stopped using the NRA for gun data.

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The Brady Bill has major limitations in scope, monitoring and enforcement

One section of this chapter discusses the three aspects of regulation: the rules, monitoring of those rules, and punishments if the rules are not complied with.  The Brady bill is discussed as an example of a law with major deficiencies in all three aspects.

Hemenway, David. Public policy. In: Guohua Li and Susan P. Baker, eds. Injury Research:Theories, Methods and Approaches. New York: Springer, 2012.

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