NastyDHL said:

what isn't a genuine spiritual experience?

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PocketLady said:

I've taken mushrooms at least 30+ times and acid 3 times.  I had a thought on mushrooms once that acid does not provide a genuine spiritual experience, only a fake one.  I've had what seem like spiritual insights from both drugs but is it possible one is more genuine than the other?

Edit:  To clarify, I guess I am talking more about spiritual revelations and the thoughts that I have on these substances.

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4:48 ...What makes most sense is to realize that the medical model isn't the correct model. The medical model is, you take something, say an aspirin, and your body has a change, and then the aspirin goes away and your body goes back to normal...What happens when you take a psychedelic, under good circumstances, is that you take it, and by the time it leaves the body the experience has not yet come to a peak so we are already dealing with something other than the psychedelic, and the end of that experience is not the experience of going back to normal, it's learning, and what people do is they learn something about themselves, about the universe, about their own relationships, and obviously learning lasts a long long long time.

Interviewer: How long does it take for LSD to wear off?

LSD leaves the body in about an hour and a half, and LSD experience is about 8-12 hours. So something in the body has been activated, and that activation remains, [climaxes] and diminishes over that amount of time.

Interviewer: You’ve made an analogy of taking psychedelics as composting?

Well, what happens when your using it therapeutically which is one of the ways, it takes your old experiences that your no longer using, and rather than keep them around kinda like on the shelves and bothering you, is that it literally allows you to create new experiences out of what you see were the problems in the old experience.
Remember compost—the prior word of compost was called garbage, and so, unlike the computer world, garbage in garbage out, the natural world is garbage out compost in, new growth, and that’s the model that makes more sense….Aldous Huxley called it, ‘as if you were seeing the world on the first day of creation’, so there’s a freshness to experience, and that includes a freshness to your own life. And what you realize is that your identity prior to the psychedelic experience was somewhat limited, and what you now have learned is that you are more than that, and to the extent that you are more than that your problems are a smaller part of you, and in a sense they become less interesting

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mv356 said:

i feel like a lot of people i've met that r some sorta self proclaimed lsd guru r more neurotic and have a less healthy overall wellbeing....

everyone i meet that claims to have benefited a lot from mushrooms seem to be living a more mature existence

my biased opinion ^^

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zzripz said:

In later years when I began reading about psychedelics and a great assortment of books, I came across some people who would argue that only organic psychedelics were the best, and those 'made in a lab' like LSD were not as spiritually good. Hmmmmph, well I beg to differ.

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allseeingike said:

for me lsd does not work in a party setting either i tripped once and had invited people over and it ended with everyone bored out of their mind while i laid on the floor laughing hysterically while staring at the ceiling for hours having epiphany after epiphany. but it is way better when i take it alone the same with mushrooms only difference is that with mushrooms i sit in one spot and barely move on lsd i want to move and feel every muscle in my body it feels like im sober but to a different extent i feel more human and in touch with everything.

with mushrooms its like a drunk sleepy high and very hard to balance myself on it. on lsd i feel like im experiencing perfection within on mushrooms i experience perfection outside in everything in the universe. both are very spiritual and in the end take me to the same place but it is a different ride. they each hold a special place in my heart they are polar opposites yet they are identical.

although ive yet to take massive doses of lsd like i have with mushrooms but that will change very very soon

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