AaronEruditus said:

Ok, now to my explanation.

Terence McKenna has talked about this in "Schizophrenic or Shamanic?".

He mentions that in traditional/aboriginal societies, an individual showing 'schizophrenic' tendencies is taken by the elders, told he has a special gift, and put under the training of a Shaman. A shaman is somebody who guides the aboriginal society, heals the sick (he does what the western society today calls "alternative medicine/healing"), and is a teacher to the young and old alike. A wise man who does more than just philosophise all day, but goes into "action" when needed to.

In our society, people displaying 'schizophrenic' thought patterns are told that they have a problem, are becoming a 'threat' to society, put under drugs (which are so nicely labeled as "medicine"), and in worst case scenarios locked in psych-wards.

Most of you will clearly see the difference in treatment here.

Shamans are also know to use psychedelics/entheogens as a journeying/magickal/ceremonial tool. Now, Shamans-to-be, or so-called neophytes will NOT be allowed to use these plants right away. They start off with meditation/thought control. Then move on to doing magickal ceremonies under NO influence at all. You see, before they are allowed to let an entheogen explode their imagination into limitlessness, they will have to have control over their mind/imagination, and not the other way around. They will have to be able to do magick WITHOUT entheogens, so when they ARE under the influence, the ceremony will be THAT much more powerful and according to the expectation/goal of the ceremony.

Now, in Western society, most people don't practice meditation and thought control exercises, let alone [ceremonial] magick. So, when a 'schizophrenic', who most likely does NOT know how to control/quiet his own mind, goes onto a psychedelic experience (which will blow his already vivid imagination to whole new, seemingly limitless dimensions), the chances of fright being experienced is very big.

That IS why I suggested he take up meditation first, learn to quiet his mind and control his imagination.

I hope I cleared a few things up with this post. If there are still serious questions to be asked, I will gladly do my best to explain.

Bless all of you, and have a nice evening

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teefizzle said:

AaronEruditus said:

Ok, now to my explanation.

Terence McKenna has talked about this in "Schizophrenic or Shamanic?".

He mentions that in traditional/aboriginal societies, an individual showing 'schizophrenic' tendencies is taken by the elders, told he has a special gift, and put under the training of a Shaman. A shaman is somebody who guides the aboriginal society, heals the sick (he does what the western society today calls "alternative medicine/healing"), and is a teacher to the young and old alike. A wise man who does more than just philosophise all day, but goes into "action" when needed to.

In our society, people displaying 'schizophrenic' thought patterns are told that they have a problem, are becoming a 'threat' to society, put under drugs (which are so nicely labeled as "medicine"), and in worst case scenarios locked in psych-wards.

Most of you will clearly see the difference in treatment here.

Shamans are also know to use psychedelics/entheogens as a journeying/magickal/ceremonial tool. Now, Shamans-to-be, or so-called neophytes will NOT be allowed to use these plants right away. They start off with meditation/thought control. Then move on to doing magickal ceremonies under NO influence at all. You see, before they are allowed to let an entheogen explode their imagination into limitlessness, they will have to have control over their mind/imagination, and not the other way around. They will have to be able to do magick WITHOUT entheogens, so when they ARE under the influence, the ceremony will be THAT much more powerful and according to the expectation/goal of the ceremony.

Now, in Western society, most people don't practice meditation and thought control exercises, let alone [ceremonial] magick. So, when a 'schizophrenic', who most likely does NOT know how to control/quiet his own mind, goes onto a psychedelic experience (which will blow his already vivid imagination to whole new, seemingly limitless dimensions), the chances of fright being experienced is very big.

That IS why I suggested he take up meditation first, learn to quiet his mind and control his imagination.

I hope I cleared a few things up with this post. If there are still serious questions to be asked, I will gladly do my best to explain.

Bless all of you, and have a nice evening

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all this is nice and humane-sounding, but in reality there's no context for a shaman in western society, except as a novelty.

If you have a mental illness and don't want to take medication and become a spiritual leader, go find some nice people in the jungle.

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teefizzle said:

don't turn this negative.

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I have nothing more to add because I said everything that I was thinking.

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shamans are NOT relevant in modern society when we can explain things with science.

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spirituality is nice to balance your life and keep you sane, but I like to keep myself in the realm of everyone else's reality.

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I don't need to appease any gods, I don't make human sacrifices or kill goats.

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there's also just way too much potential for someone off their rocker to do damage to others/themselves and interfere with society.

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*sorry if I'm hating on your dream bro, dont take it personal

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birdland said:

I'd consider the fact that psychedelics probably won't mix with your medication. There might be a small chance of a dangerous interaction. More likely, they simply WON'T WORK.

I'd save this for a time when you don't need to medicate yourself to feel normal. I hope such a time does come for you. Best of luck

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Finally, some more good advice. This thread is fucked. When schizophrenic noobs in the future search to find out if they should take psychedelics or not, they're going to read this crap and fuck themselves up.

AaronEruditus said:

Ok, now to my explanation.

Terence McKenna has talked about this in "Schizophrenic or Shamanic?".

He mentions that in traditional/aboriginal societies, an individual showing 'schizophrenic' tendencies is taken by the elders, told he has a special gift, and put under the training of a Shaman. A shaman is somebody who guides the aboriginal society, heals the sick (he does what the western society today calls "alternative medicine/healing"), and is a teacher to the young and old alike. A wise man who does more than just philosophise all day, but goes into "action" when needed to.

In our society, people displaying 'schizophrenic' thought patterns are told that they have a problem, are becoming a 'threat' to society, put under drugs (which are so nicely labeled as "medicine"), and in worst case scenarios locked in psych-wards.

Most of you will clearly see the difference in treatment here.

Shamans are also know to use psychedelics/entheogens as a journeying/magickal/ceremonial tool. Now, Shamans-to-be, or so-called neophytes will NOT be allowed to use these plants right away. They start off with meditation/thought control. Then move on to doing magickal ceremonies under NO influence at all. You see, before they are allowed to let an entheogen explode their imagination into limitlessness, they will have to have control over their mind/imagination, and not the other way around. They will have to be able to do magick WITHOUT entheogens, so when they ARE under the influence, the ceremony will be THAT much more powerful and according to the expectation/goal of the ceremony.

Now, in Western society, most people don't practice meditation and thought control exercises, let alone [ceremonial] magick. So, when a 'schizophrenic', who most likely does NOT know how to control/quiet his own mind, goes onto a psychedelic experience (which will blow his already vivid imagination to whole new, seemingly limitless dimensions), the chances of fright being experienced is very big.

That IS why I suggested he take up meditation first, learn to quiet his mind and control his imagination.

I hope I cleared a few things up with this post. If there are still serious questions to be asked, I will gladly do my best to explain.

Bless all of you, and have a nice evening

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this is EXACTLY what i wrote about a few pages back (page5 i think...) i thought about this too, and came up with a "theory" like this that a schizophrenic person would be able to handle psychedelics if they got more control over their sunconscious and thought process through first practicing mediation etc.

I went more in depth into it in my post on page 5...

But wow though, I had no idea terrance mckenna talked about this too, i thought i was alone in my "theory" haha

healing said:

birdland said:

I'd consider the fact that psychedelics probably won't mix with your medication. There might be a small chance of a dangerous interaction. More likely, they simply WON'T WORK.

I'd save this for a time when you don't need to medicate yourself to feel normal. I hope such a time does come for you. Best of luck

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Finally, some more good advice. This thread is fucked. When schizophrenic noobs in the future search to find out if they should take psychedelics or not, they're going to read this crap and fuck themselves up.

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Yeah, this is true. OP asked for our advice, got answers, and made his decision. Maybe it's time to close the thread before someone does a search and sees people saying hallucinogens + schizophrenia is a good combination.

Melkor said:

Just do them with a sitter if you're worried

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Psilocybimater said:

Surely some of the shroomerites watch through the wormhole, on the episode is time real a doctor explains schizophrenic like this," it is caused by the human brains distortion of time; therefore, people don't realize cause, action, or consequence because the time in a persons brain is all scrambled up or developed incorrectly. have you guys/gals every wondered why space/time becomes so distorted and thoughts become so scrambled on psycs, it screws with our internal clock, each person lives in their own time and dies in their own time. IMO taking psychs is like living in a schizos life in some aspects for a few hours. Literally everyday on psychs would probably make a sane person insane in a short amount of time, but the human body and brain are amazing ;so, it would probably reprogram itself to function even after its been fragged.my 2cents

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i totally agree with all of that.

AaronEruditus said:

teefizzle said:

AaronEruditus said:

Ok, now to my explanation.

Terence McKenna has talked about this in "Schizophrenic or Shamanic?".

He mentions that in traditional/aboriginal societies, an individual showing 'schizophrenic' tendencies is taken by the elders, told he has a special gift, and put under the training of a Shaman. A shaman is somebody who guides the aboriginal society, heals the sick (he does what the western society today calls "alternative medicine/healing"), and is a teacher to the young and old alike. A wise man who does more than just philosophise all day, but goes into "action" when needed to.

In our society, people displaying 'schizophrenic' thought patterns are told that they have a problem, are becoming a 'threat' to society, put under drugs (which are so nicely labeled as "medicine"), and in worst case scenarios locked in psych-wards.

Most of you will clearly see the difference in treatment here.

Shamans are also know to use psychedelics/entheogens as a journeying/magickal/ceremonial tool. Now, Shamans-to-be, or so-called neophytes will NOT be allowed to use these plants right away. They start off with meditation/thought control. Then move on to doing magickal ceremonies under NO influence at all. You see, before they are allowed to let an entheogen explode their imagination into limitlessness, they will have to have control over their mind/imagination, and not the other way around. They will have to be able to do magick WITHOUT entheogens, so when they ARE under the influence, the ceremony will be THAT much more powerful and according to the expectation/goal of the ceremony.

Now, in Western society, most people don't practice meditation and thought control exercises, let alone [ceremonial] magick. So, when a 'schizophrenic', who most likely does NOT know how to control/quiet his own mind, goes onto a psychedelic experience (which will blow his already vivid imagination to whole new, seemingly limitless dimensions), the chances of fright being experienced is very big.

That IS why I suggested he take up meditation first, learn to quiet his mind and control his imagination.

I hope I cleared a few things up with this post. If there are still serious questions to be asked, I will gladly do my best to explain.

Bless all of you, and have a nice evening

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all this is nice and humane-sounding, but in reality there's no context for a shaman in western society, except as a novelty.

If you have a mental illness and don't want to take medication and become a spiritual leader, go find some nice people in the jungle.

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I would almost thank you for your concern...if it was actually genuine. I don't have a mental illness either. I haven't seen any so-called "Doctors", so there is no 'medicine' that I'm refusing to take. Keep on guessing, that'll definitely get you somewhere in your life.

You know, if you actually had something useful to add onto this post, maybe knew something better than me and pointed that out, or something CONSTRUCTIVE to add, if would've thanked you for your comment. But everything you said was just to imply me having a mental illness/problem. I don't appreciate an approach like that.

You know, I WILL travel the world at one point to learn from different masters (including, but not exclusively Shamanism), but everything at the right time. You have no business telling me what to do, even if your post wasn't meant serious.

It's exactly people who think like you do that won't allow the Shamans (the Magicians, the Witches, the Psychics, etc.) to be part of our society...which would ultimately only benefit us and cause a tremendous amount of growth and increase in knowledge. Yet, religious institutes are widely accepted, making billions of dollars/year and paying no taxes, planting the seed of fear in people's minds, and really, don't deliver ANYTHING they promise. I would know, I was raised in a Catholic household. There's a reason why kids hate going to church...it's because they don't FEEL it.

Anyways, if you were really serious about posting a reply because you felt like you had a side to the story that you wanted to be heard (and not only  to mock me) you would've taken a little more time to write that post.

Nice day now.

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