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Shamanism The Calling
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A few questions about the calling. How does one know when one has a calling? Do they just know? I have had some strange dreams that seem like they may be a calling from the astral planes. Maybe they were just weird dreams but I don't want to ignore it if it is because I have heard things will only get worse. I have also seen multiple archetypes and entities but usually only under substance induced trance like states. I'm also a westerner. Can one even really be a western shaman?


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: Cactilove]
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i have no knowledge on shamanism, but i think if you want to do it more than anything else i guess it would be a calling. my take on it.


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: bigmike7104] * 1
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i dont think it pays great

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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: bigmike7104]
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Are not native americans "westerners" in a geographic sense. Also please define shaman for the sake of this discussion.


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RIP Acidic_Sloth

Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
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Shaman: a priest or priestess who uses his or her Magic to cure the sick, control events, and divining the hidden. Merriam Webster Dictionary
Westerner: Common Caucasian that lives in north America.


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: Cactilove]
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then a variety of european cultures had society memebers that met that requirement.

Hell, Shakespeare's character Prospero would probably even count...

also, don't be snarky cause i have no idea what sort of personal definition you might be using for ambigious terms like "shaman"


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RIP Acidic_Sloth

Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: Cactilove]
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Shaman is a title which is given to one by those he or she heals. Don't get too caught up with the labels, they won't do you any good. Care to share a dream? Most of my dreams revolve around myself. There is a saying "You can't heal others until you heal yourself."

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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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being a meditator, buddhist practitioner and INFP (briggs-myers) i naturally get a kick out of supporting and helping others.
in WoW and other RPGs Im usually always support or healer. I like doing it, i enjoy helping and healer others.

i dont consider myself a shaman, but id love to hear someone consider/call me a shaman.

im coming more in touch with my DMT chemical friend, so we'll see where that goes.

need ayahuasca -_-


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~Alan Watts~

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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Right I don't know much about this practice so I'll use the word healer from now on. One of dreams that I thought may have something to do with the calling happened like this. I was climbing Down a rocky foresty mountain. I kept slipping but eventually made it down into a valley. I come across some natives they ask me if I was ready and than they pointed to a deep moss covered hole in the ground I went toward the hole for some reason it did not frighten me. When I got to the hole a caucasion woman appeared in front of me and held up a a glass tube with an unidentified substance in it. I asked her what it was and she said it was just ash. I said yes and she blew some through a wooden or bone tube that she inserted into my nostril. Than my body began to pulsate like really gentle electricity not a bad feeling quite pleasant. Than I couldn't control my body I collapsed into the deep hole and I fell for a good 5 seconds at the bottom some natives caught me at the bottom and told me to look around. There were a bunch of people roughly the same age that all had something wrong with them some had demons others mental illneses some just Lost there way around what I can only describe as these native peoples temple.
It seemed to be my duty to help these people and I did curing each one of them one way or another. That is all that happened if I must go into more detail I will but if it is not neccaserry I will refrain from making this story too long.


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: Cactilove]
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Interesting... the ash she blew through a tube into your nostril sounds like yopo and your descent into the hole sounds like a shaman's travel through the axis mundi into the underworld.  :strokebeard:


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: deCypher]
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Yes I have heard of yopo this could have been just a recollection in a dream after reading about it but it doesnt explain the hole.


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: Cactilove]
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I would recommend ascending the seven upper gates before the seven lower gates. Or the one lower gate if your hardcore.


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RIP Acidic_Sloth

Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
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I remember a point being made that one is either a shaman or not, and there is no time for ordinary tasks if one is a shaman. In the tribe, he does not hunt. He rarely leaves the camp i would think. It is a life's devotion, and i would think that there is no time for that in western society.


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
Interesting... the ash she blew through a tube into your nostril sounds like yopo and your descent into the hole sounds like a shaman's travel through the axis mundi into the underworld.  :strokebeard:


Aye the hole is the ground is the archetypal start for a decent to the lower world. Lower doesn't mean evil.

Interesting dream man. An author who is very knowledgeable on consciously reentering dreams and utilizing them is Robert Moss. His book Dreamgates would give you a lot to think about.

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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: Cactilove]
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Cactilove said:
How does one know when one has a calling? Do they just know?



When you read this, the phone will ring.













































































If the phone didn't ring, then you weren't called....yet..

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If the phone ringed.. Well, now you know.








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I have had some strange dreams that seem like they may be a calling from the astral planes. Maybe they were just weird dreams but I don't want to ignore it if it is because I have heard things will only get worse. I have also seen multiple archetypes and entities but usually only under substance induced trance like states.


:lol:

Strange Dreams
Don't get too caught up in the confusion of dreams.

I suggest you learn how to dream first, particularly lucid dreaming.
It's incredibly advantageous, even for people who aren't shamans. Learning how to dream is beneficial for everyone.

If you do not take control of your actions in real life, then you will not be able to take control of your actions in the dream-world.











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I'm also a westerner. Can one even really be a western shaman?










Ethnocentrism
There are western shaman's.
Ethnicity has nothing to do with shamanism, however, it does play a role anthropologically.


IDK dood, just do thangs and :feelsgoodman:
I am not a shaman..


Welp, I hope I shed some thangs for doin' thangs and :feelsgoodman:

peace.


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: I AM SWIM]
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Also, I'm banned from the philosophy forum, but I checked the user "everythings" post about shamanism.

I suggest you check it out

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13738433#13738433


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: I AM SWIM]
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Also,


LOL


This is pretty vital about shamanism, you have to be sick, you have to have a disease, and you have to cure your own sickness in order to obtain the power to heal others.

This means not relying on a crutch to aid your sickly symptoms.

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Healer
Shamans gain knowledge and the power to heal by entering into the spiritual world or dimension. The shaman may have or acquire many spirit guides in the spirit world, who often guide and direct the shaman in his/her travels. These spirit guides are always present within the shaman though others only encounter them when the shaman is in a trance. The spirit guide energizes the shaman, enabling him/her to enter the spiritual dimension. The shaman heals within the spiritual dimension by returning 'lost' parts of the human soul from wherever they have gone. The shaman also cleanses excess negative energies which confuse or pollute the soul.

The wounded healer is archetype for a shamanizing journey. This process is important to the young shaman. He undergoes a type of sickness that pushes him to the brink of death.

This happens for two reasons:
The shaman crosses over to the under world. This happens so the shaman can venture to its depths to bring back vital information for the sick, and the tribe.
The shaman must become sick to understand sickness. When the shaman overcomes his own sickness he will hold the cure to heal all that suffer. This is the uncanny mark of the wounded healer.





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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: I AM SWIM]
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Ok lol weirdest thing the phone did ring after i read that comment lol. But I do have some diseases mostly mental though does this count. It said that the disease pushes one near almost death I can think of a few things that came over me that pushed me to the edge of death. Some my fault some not. This all happened when I was younger though so I don't know if it has any relevance.


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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: Cactilove]
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Speaking of calling, it has definitely been calling me, I'm a westerner whos been lost his life. Spirituality changed that and it came out of nowhere, After Ayahuasca I felt a sense of placement finally and now I have courage and love for self, I'm moving to Uruguay end of this summer with a friend of mine who used to be a local and tried to 'make' it in America. We're gonna live off the land, and I'm going to spread the magic as much as I possibly can, but not forcefully. I seem to be able to know right from the start of meeting someone if they are looking for something, if u know what i mean. Its amazing.

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Re: Shamanism The Calling [Re: demonofchaos]
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demonofchaos said:
i dont think it pays great


that's how you know when its a calling, when you don't even give it a thought how well it pays


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