lady tramp said:

Bringing up the idea that to hold on to anything too tightly and claim it is absolute truth is not too great of an idea.  But, are they not doing the same thing with science?  And, science is ever changing.  Maybe some day science could prove the existence of Dieties, we just haven't reached that level of technology yet.  Nobody knows, right?

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lady tramp said:

What is there to "prove"?  It's just a ride, right?

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As humans, given our comparably elevated mindsets, yearn to understand why we're here.  Having that "just a ride" kind of attitude will only hinder the advancement of our species.  The Dark Ages come to mind...


BLah  my head's spinning now and i need to go to bed.  Thanks for the debate, I'm sure we'll pick up tomorrow. 

Newbie said:

Science is ever changing, but proven laws remain

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Like the law that says sometimes light behaves as a wave and sometimes it behaves as a particle, depending on its fickle mood and the instrument used?

Newbie said:

Well they use the instruments to translate it into the 5 senses. Otherwise it's not proof. An example would be a device that detects solar magnetism.  We can't see (save for the northern lights) , smell, hear, feel, or taste it, but thanks to certain radar we can and can prove it exists.

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LOL @ 5 senses

There are at least 10 (and up to 20 depending on what/how you count) different senses the human body can detect.

Newbie said:

Science is ever changing, but proven laws remain.  We don't just start from scratch when we learn something new.  Science isn't claiming to have the answer to the universe, but it's striving for it and won't rest until there's unmistakable evidence.  The stuff we've figured out so far IS absolute truth that can be proven, demonstrated, calculated, whatever.  Religious laws came to people in dreams, visions, scriptures, everything is second hand knowledge passed down by someone who was still alive and claimed to have been spoken to.

If a deity did exist, and we somehow found it and could measure it, I'd think the deity wasn't too good at being a deity.  We'd have won the cosmic game of hide n' seek, and I'll go as far as to say that I think that if we were advanced enough to locate and prove a deity, we must be gods ourselves.  If we located god and learned the mathematical, physical formulas that he set in motion, how long before we step up and do his work him?   

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lady tramp said:

What is there to "prove"?  It's just a ride, right?

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As humans, given our comparably elevated mindsets, yearn to understand why we're here.  Having that "just a ride" kind of attitude will only hinder the advancement of our species.  The Dark Ages come to mind...

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lady tramp said:

With this kind of logic, it seems like Deity must exist and be doing a good job because you can't find them.

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Arden said:

Newbie said:

Science is ever changing, but proven laws remain

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Like the law that says sometimes light behaves as a wave and sometimes it behaves as a particle, depending on its fickle mood and the instrument used?

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Entropymancer said:

Arden said:

Newbie said:

Science is ever changing, but proven laws remain

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Like the law that says sometimes light behaves as a wave and sometimes it behaves as a particle, depending on its fickle mood and the instrument used?

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What law is that again?

Light behaves as a wavy particle, it has both wave and particle characteristics.  It always behaves the same in any given experimental protocol.  To claim that light is fickle and inconsistent is to completely misconstrue the situation.

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Actually, it's not.

BTW, you came from the grave. Where the hell have you been, mayne?

And mind explaining what you mean by "wavy particle"? You're almost proving R.A. Wilson's joke by calling them wavicles.

The point is that quantum theory conflicts itself, as do some observations across multiple instruments, hence the tendency for physicists to group themselves into various schools. Pretty standard fare, captain.

And science is also malleable. Remember the "laws" that the sun revolved around the earth, that the moon had its own light, that the earth was flat, that sterility during operations was heretical, that blood letting was "duh! totally awesome for you", and consciousness was contained in the heart? Ad nauseum.