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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Doc_T]
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wowsers! looks like I spoke 2 soon.. didnt see RRs posting.. sounds like a total amatuerish job.. thank god! Now one of use can do an actual study.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: dancefloordale]
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I think we all agree with RR. However I don't understand why we should in some way forget this study. A bad book can be really useful. RR says that many respected members of this community stated the opposite (as we all know): light is a positive factor during fruiting. Now here is my question: how many of them could actually measure PS/PB content in their mushrooms? Many excellent growers don't have a lab to test them. Just asking a question, not saying this study is the best I've ever read. :smile:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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Well, we grow better mushrooms. But they have better lab gear. Maybe we could team up?

Somebody has to contact these guys...


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Doc_T]
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RR nailed this one on the nose.  It isn't factual, at least in a broad sense.  They may have actually found a 100x more psilocin in the no light group, but that doesn't not prove anything. 

I wouldn't be surprised at all if increased light degraded psilocin, but psilocybin is the primary active alkaloid.  GC-MS is pretty accurate from my experiences; if this is an actual study, their results may be "true," but I have found mushroom cultivation very hard to make an exact science.  If they didn't use clones or some sort of isolate, we can throw this entire study out the window.

What were the other parameters?  How much...

FAE?

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: M11]
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@dancefloor: I still have yet to see the study, was just taking a logical guess into why a mycologist would use multispore

Would still love to see the study someone shoot it my way


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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im all the lab any of you need to test potency.

just send your results to me and i'll eat them and tell you what's up.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: M11]
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Doc_T said:
Well, we grow better mushrooms. But they have better lab gear. Maybe we could team up?

Somebody has to contact these guys...


Why not?:lol:

I just noticed they cite a second study (dated 2006) which says something similar: light can decrease PC/PB content in aqueos solutions. Again, maybe it's just bullshit. :shrug:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17002211


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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I'm sure light of some frequencies degrades the chemicals faster. In water or not.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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what were they trying to acomplish with this study?

if you were doing this for medicinal reasons, wouldn't studying better ways of producing mass amounts and perfect extraction techniques be a better way to spend your schools money?


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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na that topic is actually surprisingly legit .. aqueous solutions of pc/pb are very easily made unstable by air light and temp


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Citizen13]
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Citizen13 said:
what were they trying to acomplish with this study?

if you were doing this for medicinal reasons, wouldn't studying better ways of producing mass amounts and perfect extraction techniques be a better way to spend your schools money?


No, this is 'pure', not 'applied'. You get hired by a company to do followup work. Or you get your Master's with it. Or whatever they call it there.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Doc_T]
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Doc_T said:
No, this is 'pure', not 'applied'. You get hired by a company to do followup work. Or you get your Master's with it.


i see. thanks.:thumbup:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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If this is a "peer review journal" than maybe one of us with some scientific initials after his (or her) name could write a summary of our concerns, run it past RR for a final edit and then send it off for publication in the next issue of that journal. Who knows, it may be the only real rigorous review they receive, in contrast to all the back-patting they'll get from their equally geeky colleagues. The journal must have some section that publishes insightful feedback, and it would be important to reference the fact that ironically, it isn't in the labs but here in the shroomery where the most progress is made in advancing our understanding of this particular species.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Puma]
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shrooms like lights

give shrooms the lights

do it now if you want to live



k there is my review, run that past RR and mail it out please :laugh:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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koopa_troopa I tried to PM you the study, but there doesn't seem to be a way to attach a doc, and your email isn't in profile.

Using multispore and averaging many large samples still has too many variables for a specific conclusion.  In any experiment you must try and hold all things constant except that which you're testing.  They got temp and RH right, but their medium is wrong and was mishandled, so it's very doubtful they had controlled for that.  And it would have been easy to control for genetics by cloning, and they certainly should've/would've said it if they'd thought of it.

I agree these were students with access to a GC, who'd just learned how to use it.  This was not a mature experiment.  I think their English proficiency is odd though... probably Americans here.

I think the only things we really know about controlling potency are:
- Mushrooms must be cultivated in their native soil (proper nutrients)  I suspect those of you getting beautiful flushes with coir are getting comparatively weak fruits.  Try adding at least 50% cow.
- Heat damages potency.
- Oxygen damages potency.

Do we really know that:
- Mutants are more potent.
- Smaller shrooms/ fewer shrooms are more potent.
... if so, theories why?

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: rooter]
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rooter said:
I suspect those of you getting beautiful flushes with coir are getting comparatively weak fruits.


nope:shrug:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Citizen13]
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Citizen13 said:
rooter said:
I suspect those of you getting beautiful flushes with coir are getting comparatively weak fruits.


nope:shrug:


Agreed. Where did this nonsense come from?

P.S. I tried to send you the study too.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: rooter]
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Remember, I said comparatively.  To know, you'd have to compare with poo sub.  Else you don't know.

It would stand to reason that pure coir mushrooms would be less, less.  Maybe less potent, less vital, less something if they're not getting the nutes for which they're programmed.

You can't actually know if you don't compare, so don't try and bulldoze me.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Citizen13]
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ALL OF THIS INDIVIDUAL STUFF (LIKE LIGHTING, POTENCY FACTORS, PICKING TIMES, HOW/WHEN TO HARVEST, GROWTH PARAMETERS, SUBSTRATES ETC...) HAVE BEEN COVERED HERE ON SHROOMERY (in the almost limitless threads) IF YOU KNOW THE WORDS TO PUT INTO THE SEARCH FUNCTION.

THESE THINGS DONT NEED TO BE TESTED BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE. except how to achieve max potency) test that!:grin:

I KNOW WHAT I KNOW BECAUSE OF THIS SITE SO YOU TO CAN KNOW THIS INFO BY SEARCHING.:stoned:

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: rooter]
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Have you compared the nutrients available in coir and poo? Not to mention, all poo is not the same, diet plays a large role.

Just because something sounds reasonable, it doesn't mean it is reasonable.

Now, where are the keys to my bulldozer?


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