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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Olympus Mons said:
lets be honest, white people in north america feeling oppressed by minorities is ridiculous.


No its not.  White people can and are oppressed by non-whites.  It goes both ways.  White people do not have a monopoly on oppression, despite what schools teach you.


has nothing to do with what school teaches me, if anything schools leave out the most important details.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Seuss]
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Racism is racism, regardless of the excuse.

Well, on this point we agree, though I don't see how the term implies that racism is acceptable. It isn't. Racism, and any kind of blanket prejudgment, are stupid, ignorant reaction in all cases.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Olympus Mons said:
those are not even the same situations being discussed.


they are examples of the minority oppressing the majority, an example of 'reverse racism'


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Prisoner#1]
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what about the situation where the where the majority is caucasion and the oppressing minority is not.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Olympus Mons]
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since we're being so politically correct, whites are not unnecessarily
Caucasian while some Caucasians are white and if you look at the history
of the region you can find info of the Armenian genocide, certainly a
situation in which the caucasians were being slaughtered by another ethnic
group


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Prisoner#1]
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the fact that this topic enrages some of you here so much while injustices perpetrated by the police, the free market and corporations is telling.

I've been a victim of reverse racism, but you've never seen me whining about it. Rather, I usually complain about preferential treatment being given to idiots.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
since we're being so politically correct, whites are not unnecessarily
Caucasian while some Caucasians are white and if you look at the history
of the region you can find info of the Armenian genocide, certainly a
situation in which the caucasians were being slaughtered by another ethnic
group


sorry i was using the common meaning of caucasion(whites) i wasnt really going that deep into it. I wouldnt consider armenians to be white europeans.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: ScavengerType]
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ScavengerType said:
the fact that this topic enrages some of you here so much while injustices perpetrated by the police, the free market and corporations is telling.

I've been a victim of reverse racism, but you've never seen me whining about it. Rather, I usually complain about preferential treatment being given to idiots.


I can't remember ever reading anything by you complaining about Affirmative Action.  Maybe you could find it for us or at least give us a refresher on your thoughts regarding it.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Olympus Mons said:
Prisoner#1 said:
since we're being so politically correct, whites are not unnecessarily
Caucasian while some Caucasians are white and if you look at the history
of the region you can find info of the Armenian genocide, certainly a
situation in which the caucasians were being slaughtered by another ethnic
group


sorry i was using the common meaning of caucasion(whites) i wasnt really going that deep into it. I wouldnt consider armenians to be white europeans.


we cant be bouncing around with terminology like this, we see an example
of a minority oppressing a majority but that cant be right because in
your opinion the majority needs to be caucasian, yet they cant be
caucasian because the caucasians arent white in your opinion


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I can't remember ever reading anything by you complaining about Affirmative Action.  Maybe you could find it for us or at least give us a refresher on your thoughts regarding it.


Re-read what I wrote I said
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I've been a victim of reverse racism, but you've never seen me whining about it.


Meaning that I accept it as less of a hindrance to me than racism or a history of, is to others.

We do not have the same parallels in Canada though and since nepotism is also common in some workplaces (hiring someone who is family or family of another employee) this has become less common. Particularly since the majority of employers already have these quotas met and nepotism becomes the only real barrier.


This is nothing to do with affirmative action though. This is police stations punishing white cops who do things remotely black with their hair, like dreads and cornrows. As I said it's double reverse racism. Reverse racism done for the reason of maintaining racial division. One may even call it pro-segregationist policy on a psychological level.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: ScavengerType]
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Now you selectively quote yourself!  You said:

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Rather, I usually complain about preferential treatment being given to idiots.



Well.  What do you have to say about Affirmative Action?


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: ScavengerType]
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ScavengerType said:
This is police stations punishing white cops who do things remotely black with their hair, like dreads and cornrows. As I said it's double reverse racism.




lol


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: zappaisgod]
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I think the problem here is that when talking about racism "Majority" does not mean the numerically superior group.

Majority, at least in my understanding, means the group with the most access to money, social networks, organization, etc.  In other words power.  In South Africa the Whites, even though they were a numeric minority, sill held control of the government, most businesses, and access to wealth.  Thus, they were the Majority.

And assuming that oppression is an element of racism (which I would contest) I don't see how putting someone on desk duty is oppression.

For that matter, I am not entirely sure how Affirmative action or even a quota system is oppression.


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The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
     
~H. L. Mencken~

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Now you selectively quote yourself!  You said:

Quote:
Rather, I usually complain about preferential treatment being given to idiots.



Well.  What do you have to say about Affirmative Action?


It doesn't significantly protect idiots more on average than standard hiring practices.

edit: Smackshadow, good point. The cases of the dreaded officers may have been a different case (the article fails to thoroughly examine that), but the fact of the mater is that desk duty was not a big deal and allowed the employee to contest the issue while still working.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

Edited by ScavengerType (10/05/09 02:40 PM)

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Smackshadow]
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Also, I find it interesting that some people on here think the term Racism is thrown out all to readily when it comes to the president and politics, but apparently have no problem with reverse racism being used in a likewise fashion.


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The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
     
~H. L. Mencken~

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: ScavengerType]
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Quote:
the fact that this topic enrages some of you here so much while injustices perpetrated by the police, the free market and corporations is telling.


Corporations and the free market do not commit injustices. Both are not even physical objects, let alone sentient beings. PEOPLE commit injustices.

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Redstorm]
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Corporations and the free market do not commit injustices


Are you saying that a system cannot be injust?


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The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
     
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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Redstorm]
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corporations are legally people. However I suppose I could have been more clear, as it is in the name of the free-markets or of profit.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Smackshadow]
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Smackshadow said:
Quote:
Corporations and the free market do not commit injustices


Are you saying that a system cannot be injust?


Did you read that in my typing?

Of course a system can be unjust.  However, without individuals willing to put this latent characteristic into action, the characteristics of the system are meaningless.

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
Corporations and the free market do not commit injustices. Both are not even physical objects, let alone sentient beings. PEOPLE commit injustices.


Actually, I think ScavengerType is somewhat correct.  It's very rare, for example, that anyone in a corporation has a goal of ruining the environment.  But in keeping costs down, that is exactly what many corporations do (not intentionally).  Same thing with the free market.  No one individual probably has any desire to put any kid in a sweatshop.  But when the freemarket goes unregulated, businesses buy from wherever costs are lowest.  No bad individual intentions, but bad outcomes as a result of the systems.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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