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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: DigitalDuality]
#3160153 - 09/21/04 02:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isn't Badnarik on more ballots than Nader? Haven't Libertarians recieved more ballot spots in Presidential races for the last 10-20 years. Why the hell aren't they given media attention?
yeah, badnarik is on 48 ballots. nader's only on 39.
the libertarian party is the largest third party by far. they hold 590 public office positions (more than all other third parties combined). they contested a majority of the seats in congress in 2000 (the only third party to ever do so), and recieved 1.7 million votes across the board for libertarian house candidates... more than twice as many as any other third party has. they're the only third party to recieve an electoral vote.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: DigitalDuality]
#3160168 - 09/21/04 02:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isn't Badnarik on more ballots than Nader?
Yes. Badnarik is on 49(Including DC) currently with a chance of 50. Nader is on 36 currently with a chance of 44. http://www.ballot-access.org/
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Haven't Libertarians recieved more ballot spots in Presidential races for the last 10-20 years.
Yes.
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Why the hell aren't they given media attention?
Because the status quo is good.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: Annapurna1]
#3160172 - 09/21/04 02:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dont know why you find it so amusing..but you would have to be a bigot to vote for bush...
or you could just be voting for the "lesser of two evils".
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: Evolving]
#3160336 - 09/21/04 02:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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DigitalDuality said: Bush himself has become more left on certain issues and strayed from party lines.. especially with his actions concerning illegal immigrants (which will buy a signifigant amount of the hispanic vote, but also lose a few (but negligbile amount of bigots).
Interesting... Are you under the impression that unfettered immigration is only opposed by bigots? Are you of the opinion that if a person thinks people should not be rewarded for breaking the law that he is a bigot? Is it your contention that those who are worried about the increasing fiscal burden of hospital emergency rooms being used to treat everyday medical conditions of uninsured illegal aliens and those burdens being passed on in the form of higher insurance premiums are somehow bigots? Is it your insinuation that those who are concerned about the whole host of other services consumed by illegal immigrants that are placing a financial burden on municipalities are bigots because of their concern? Are those who are wary of terrorists coming across the borders among the flood of illegal immigrants bigots because of their recognition of the possibility? If so, those are very ignorant assumptions, not born out by a careful examination of the issue and the various reasons people hold the opinions that they do.
Amen.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3160385 - 09/21/04 02:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Polls have never been 100%, and in the case of our election up here in Canada, we had the New Conservatives party as a major threat to the Liberals, like they were in a dead heat almost. But the conservatives did only half as good as the polls said.
I think that George Bush isnt as far ahead as the polls indicate, and that Kerry isnt exactly that far up either. I think that Both have a real good chance of winning, and you can predict all you want, but numbers and polls only go so far. You just have to wait and see....patience my children!
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3160417 - 09/21/04 02:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bush will win but Kerry and the left won't except it so they'll bitch and complain about being president in exile, just like Al Gore, even if he loses the popular vote. For Kerry there is no possibility of losing without some conspiracy to cheat him so I'm sure he will contest it.
In this case, regardless of who wins the Constitution loses as the peaceful transfer of power erodes.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3160442 - 09/21/04 03:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it will be a landslide.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: DigitalDuality]
#3160486 - 09/21/04 03:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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DigitalDuality said: I'm glad to see you wasted your time with a rant merely b/c you didn't read what i said.
Rant? Guess it's easier to label a series of questions 'a rant' then to address them rationally...
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But i don't think the issue (and Bush's current actions over it) are really going to lose him any votes, except for hardcore bigots.
Why do you add the asinine, 'except for hardcore bigots'?
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Extremists (which could include bigots, but not limited to in this case) over any issue will react in such a fashion.
There you go again, using liberal code words in an apparent attempt to not so subtly smear people who oppose unfettered illegal immigration... 'bigots' and 'extremists.' There are many reasonable people who do not like Bush's policies for very solid reasons, that you feel the need to resort to emotionally laden labels does not bolster any well reasoned analysis of the issue (should you attempt to offer one).
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...that a portion of the group which opposes it.. are bigots.
That a minority of those who oppose unfettered illegal immigration may be bigots or extremists (a subjective term) has no bearing on the validity of their arguments ( argumentum ad hominem ). The arguments can stand or fall on their merits alone.
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There's a good portion of people who don't agree with bush's actions over the issue, but this is not enough for him to lose their vote, especially with the religious in this country.
I know of people who have decided to not support Bush, citing as a very important reason his immigration policy in light of 9/11 - people who have never expressed bigoted remarks to me or any mutual acquaintances. It may be if enough people are made aware of the issue and how it affects them that they will also change their minds. That is after all, the purpose of political discourse.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: ]
#3160822 - 09/21/04 04:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushmaster said: i dont know why you find it so amusing..but you would have to be a bigot to vote for bush...
or you could just be voting for the "lesser of two evils".
OK..so only a bigot finds bush the lesser evil...
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: Annapurna1]
#3160946 - 09/21/04 04:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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hehehe these bush guys are soooooooo cocky ...if he loses..i wanna know what are u bushaholics gonna do?
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3160955 - 09/21/04 04:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Act like adults and not spew "Bush won" bullshit like so many whiners currently do about Gore.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3162566 - 09/21/04 09:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Any bookie worth his salt would happily take your bet on Kerry today at 7-9 odds. That is, you bet $70 that Kerry will win and if he does you receive $90 from the bookie. At this point in the game he is a decided underdog.
But it's still six weeks till the election. Things can change.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#3163003 - 09/21/04 11:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if we ever really found out who won, maybe people wouldn't bitch.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3163127 - 09/21/04 11:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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the election is rigged your vote doesnt countit is just their to make mtv get money and distract america from real issues. the powers to be deside who wins and that is going to be kerry. a win for kerry is more of a win for bush than anything. his win will be a false victory for actavists and protesters that have been fooled Bush is the only bad guy. kerrys win willjust let him have a easyer time taking away the same rights his skull and bones brother was takeing. and this goes for nadar and all the third partys too. you have no choice. reject the system. REAL AMERICANS DONT VOTE
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: DigitalDuality]
#3163650 - 09/22/04 04:02 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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DigitalDuality said: Well if we ever really found out who won, maybe people wouldn't bitch.
You must have missed the news then. It was Bush.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: AhronZombi]
#3163987 - 09/22/04 08:53 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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AhronZombi said: a win for kerry is more of a win for bush than anything. his win will be a false victory for actavists and protesters that have been fooled Bush is the only bad guy. kerrys win willjust let him have a easyer time taking away the same rights his skull and bones brother was takeing.
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REAL AMERICANS DONT VOTE
You may be correct, when the vote tallies come in it may be that the majority of those eligible to vote have selected, 'none of the above' as their true choice - realizing the system is rigged and that their opinions don't matter to the power players except as much as they can be used to paint a veneer of legitimacy on their grabs for more power.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#3164646 - 09/22/04 12:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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when over 100,000 votes weren't counted and 55,000 people weren't allowed to illegally,
you sure you can make that call?
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: DigitalDuality]
#3165435 - 09/22/04 03:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yup. While you like complaining about Florida, what about areas where 100% of the vote went to Gore? What about his attempt to disallow military votes on technicalities? What about uncounted votes in democratic strongholds? What about the 46,000 voters from Florida that are registered in both NY and Florida? How about the dead who voted? What about the judges who allowed polling places to remain open past the time set in law?
Why not whine about all that as well? Could it be because your guy lost?
Gore lost. Get over it.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#3165453 - 09/22/04 03:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Yup. While you like complaining about Florida, what about areas where 100% of the vote went to Gore? What about his attempt to disallow military votes on technicalities? What about uncounted votes in democratic strongholds? What about the 46,000 voters from Florida that are registered in both NY and Florida? How about the dead who voted? What about the judges who allowed polling places to remain open past the time set in law?
Why not whine about all that as well? Could it be because your guy lost?
Gore lost. Get over it.
100% of the vote?
Source, please.
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Re: Who do you think will win the election? [Re: Zahid]
#3165748 - 09/22/04 04:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry to all. As I was searching I recalled it was HRC who received 100% in a precinct in (I believe) NYC. As I am unable to find percentages by precinct I'll be unable to say which one.
I was wrong. I withdraw my statement.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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