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Reverse Racism
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I find it depressing how a few months ago black people in California voted to deny gay people the same rights blacks were denied when interracial marriages were illegal.

Now black cops in Philadelphia are being given preferential treatment over white cops.

Next we might even see white firefighters denied promotions after acing the firefighter's test because blacks and Latinos can't pass the test. Naahhh... that can't happen.

It seems more and more to me that racists can only be white.

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Cop with cornrows pulled from street duty

By DANA DiFILIPPO
Philadelphia Daily News

difilid@phillynews.com 215-854-5934

PHILADELPHIA - To get booted off the street, a police officer has to do something pretty serious - like shoot a suspect or be accused of brutality.

But in the 35th District, which covers Logan, Olney and adjacent neighborhoods, apparently a hairdo will do it.

A cop who got cornrows was ordered off the street and kept on desk duty for two days until he cut his braids off, sources said.

While dozens of black officers across the city wear cornrows, Officer Thomas Strain is white. So when the five-year veteran showed up for work Sept. 3 with the traditionally black hairstyle, it didn't take long for his colleagues - or his bosses - to notice.

"They pulled him out of roll call and took him right up to the inspector's office," said an officer who asked to remain anonymous.

Reached last week, Strain declined to comment about the hair hubbub.

But multiple officers in the 35th say it's been hot gossip, overshadowed only by worries of potential police layoffs, which were averted Thursday when the state agreed to help alleviate the city's budget woes.

"It's absolutely discriminatory," said one officer. Strain's cornrows 'do "was neat. It was above his collar. It's not like he shaved a Nazi sign or something anti-black or anti-Hispanic on his head. It's just cornrows. I don't know what the problem is."

The problem, police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore said, is that Strain's superior didn't feel his cornrows were "professional."

Ordering Strain to chop them off had nothing to do with discrimination, added Vanore, who spoke with Inspector Aaron Horne about the incident.

Horne, who oversees the Northwest Police Division, which includes the 35th District, is the supervisor who directed Strain to banish the braids.

"The policy's the policy, it doesn't matter what race you are," Vanore said.

Police policy requires officers to have "clean, properly trimmed and combed hair" that doesn't prevent them from wearing their uniform hat "in a military-manner," Vanore said.

The policy prohibits "unnatural" hair colors such as blue, purple or green but doesn't ban specific styles, such as cornrows, mohawks, dreadlocks or bouffants.

Vanore didn't see Strain's cornrows, but speculated that they may have kept his hat from fitting his head in the required military manner. He couldn't explain why black officers with cornrows weren't ordered to get haircuts - unless they're women, because the hair policy for female officers is slightly more permissive.

Still, while the division inspector did instruct Strain to get a haircut, Vanore emphasized, the officer wasn't formally disciplined.

This isn't the first time an officer's appearance has caused commotion in the 35th District.

Officer Kimberlie Webb in 2005 sued the city and the police department after she was barred from wearing a hijab, or Muslim head scarf, on the job. A federal appeals court last April upheld the department's policy, saying religious garb imperils the department's appearance of "religious neutrality."

Other police departments have endured hair hullabaloos too.

Baltimore in 2007 tried to ban its officers from wearing cornrows, mohawks and dreadlocks, shaving designs into the hair or fashioning hair into "sculpture."

But officers and others objected on civil-rights grounds, and the ban was never implemented.

Two officers in Dallas in 2001 claimed they lost their jobs because they refused to cut off their dreadlocks. A Dallas police spokesman said those officers were fired for other disciplinary reasons unrelated to hairstyle.

As for Strain, friends describe him as a hardworking cop who hails from a family of police officers and who adores police work.

The former Marine served in Iraq, where he twice survived explosions when his Hummer hit roadside bombs in 2006, co-workers said.

"He's a guy that, when things go bad, you want him there," one officer said.

John McGrody, vice president of the Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police, said the union has "no position" on the discrimination claim.

"If the officer's hairstyle is consistent with the policy, it shouldn't affect him," he said.

Philadelphia Daily News


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Diploid]
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Even the term is a disgusting euphemism.  The reverse of racism is equality, not handicapping the evil white man.

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: DieCommie]
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Cats are racist, too.  See the issue of Newsweek here

http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?p=377037#post377037


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Even the term is a disgusting euphemism.  The reverse of racism is equality, not handicapping the evil white man.



I agree.  The term reverse racism is so silly.  Why use reverse racism when the term racism works just fine?

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Redstorm]
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because if it were just racism, that would mean that whites and blacks would be sharing a term, and you know that just cant be.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
DieCommie said:
Even the term is a disgusting euphemism.  The reverse of racism is equality, not handicapping the evil white man.



I agree.  The term reverse racism is so silly.  Why use reverse racism when the term racism works just fine?



It's called reverse racism because it was a term coined by racist white folks who reasoned "WTF? This is the opposite way racism is supposed to go!"


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
DieCommie said:
Even the term is a disgusting euphemism.  The reverse of racism is equality, not handicapping the evil white man.



I agree.  The term reverse racism is so silly.  Why use reverse racism when the term racism works just fine?



Yeah "reverse racism" makes no sense. :facepalm:

Sounds like Mr. DiFillipo might have some issues with brown people himself.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Mchaggis]
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Geez, you guys sure giganalize. (How's that for new terminology?)

"Reverse Racism" is racism on the basis of race by opponents of racial quota programs. This is an accurate definition and demonstrates why the term is necessary.

Ever heard the term Revese Engineering? Good communication is as sparse as possible while still containing all the entropy of the intended meaning.

Saying "Engineering" is detrimentally sparse when you mean "Reverse Engineering". They are both engineering, but different modalities, and leaving out the "Reverse" part fails to communicate the intended meaning.

"Racism" has historically meant the oppression of a minority race by a majority race. The term "Reverse Racism" appropriately emphasizes the modality in that it applies to the oppression of a majority race by the minority. It distinguishes the direction of the oppression and emphasizes the hypocrisy of racism at the hands of those who rile against it.

But don't take it from this lowly student of language. Here are some links of others' who are more accomplished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reverse+racism

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,980453,00.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/the-terrible-price-of-bei_b_212596.html

We're kinda off topic now discussing language instead of racism, but eh, it's my thread. :wink:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Diploid]
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the oppression of a majority lol.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Diploid]
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> "Racism" has historically meant the oppression of a minority race by a majority race.

Sooo... the white minority in South Africa was not racist against the black majority?  I don't believe that racism has anything to do with majority or minority.  It is simply when one cultural group oppresses another cultural group.  More often than not it is the majority that is oppressing the minority, but to make a blanket claim that this is always the case would be incorrect.  The term "reverse discrimination" is dangerous because it helps justify discrimination as a method of righting a previous wrong.  Sugarcoat it how you will, discrimination begets hate.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Diploid]
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Racism of any sort sucks, certainly.
But,
I imagine the watch commander has a certain amount of discretion in matters of appearance of his cops.
Any one think that maybe the black cops- used to wearing cornrows- managed to look professional and competent, while the white cop just looked like a goofball?

I had a similar situation at a pizza place I managed, once upon a time. One of the cooks (a great employee)  wanted to work the front of house, and I had to tell him "no" because of his huge scary intimidating facial piercings. Guy had a big (fake) bear claw through his septum, and some other hardware. Meanwhile, one of my best cashiers had a tiny eyebrow piercing that matched her hat and was hard to see even if you knew it was there.

Tl;dr: Guy looked like a freak. Girl looked pretty normal. I utilized them accordingly.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Diploid]
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Racism does not require oppression.  Barack Obama calling his grandmother racist ("typical white person") because she was afraid of an aggressive panhandler was itself racist.  In neither case was there any oppression involved.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: zappaisgod]
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to be honest I don't think that the cop looked goofy. I once saw a cop with a short Mohawk on fox news (not FNC). I doubt that he had this problem. This is double reverse racism because they are only discriminating against this guy because he's doing something "black"


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
"Reverse Racism" is racism on the basis of race by opponents of racial quota programs. This is an accurate definition and demonstrates why the term is necessary.



this makes no sense, if someone opposes racial quota systems they they
oppose race based discrimination, that wouldn't make them 'reverse
racists', it would make the proponents for equality




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"Racism" has historically meant the oppression of a minority race by a majority race. The term "Reverse Racism" appropriately emphasizes the modality in that it applies to the oppression of a majority race by the minority.



no, to oppress any race would simply be racism


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But don't take it from this lowly student of language. Here are some links of others' who are more accomplished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reverse+racism




neither really qualify as a credible cite, as has been mentioned, racism is racism regardless of which ethnic group/race is being discriminated against or oppressed

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Olympus Mons said:
the oppression of a majority lol.




South Africa/India, lol

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Prisoner#1]
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those are not even the same situations being discussed.


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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Olympus Mons said:
lets be honest, white people in north america feeling oppressed by minorities is ridiculous.



No its not.  White people can and are oppressed by non-whites.  It goes both ways.  White people do not have a monopoly on oppression, despite what schools teach you.

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Diploid]
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I guess some of us will just have to agree to disagree.

IMO the phrase "Reverse Racism" is as apropos in certain contexts as the phrase "Reverse Engineering" and for the same reasons. And like it or not, agree or not, it's part of the lexicon.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: Diploid]
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I dont see the similarity between racism and engineering at all.  It is part of the lexicon, but that doesn't make it constructive or good.  Many things are part of the lexicon that are counterproductive and "reverse racism" is one of them.

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Re: Reverse Racism [Re: DieCommie]
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> IMO the phrase "Reverse Racism" is as apropos in certain contexts as the phrase "Reverse Engineering"

With reverse engineering you are figuring out how something was engineered, not engineering something.  With "reverse racism" you are not reversing racism, but using previous racism as an excuse to be racist.  It may be part of the lexicon, but I find it a dangerous principle to embrace.  Racism is racism, regardless of the excuse.  To me, "Reverse racism" implies that there are situations when it is acceptable to be racist; basically sugarcoating racism to make it easier to accept.

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