zouden said:

Mr.Al said:

It's fucking "mysterious and elusive"! 


It's like some kind of "quantum ninja matter".

Basically, their math is supremely fucked so they fudge the numbers by saying "Uhhhhh, the universe is made up of about 80% of "elusive and mysterious" DARK MATTER.

It is so fucking elusive no one's found it yet.

BUT WE KNOW IT IS THERE!

GRRRRRRR.  HOW Dare YOU Question MY scientific DOGMA!




Holy shit, "Dark matter is mysterious......."

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It's not quantum ninja matter. It's a form of matter that doesn't block light or reflect it, so it's invisible to us. The only way to detect it is through the gravitation force that it exerts. Dark matter is needed to explain the rotation of the galaxy.

Compare this to God, which has no way of being detected, and no need for his existence. How is dark matter in any way similar to religion?

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Bullshit, you say the only way to detect it is through gravitational force that "it" exerts because the scientists are missing 80% of the mass that they thought the universe had.  Myco said that "dark matter" is what causes the universe to expand faster.


It sounds a lot like scientists don't have a perfect picture as to how the universe works so whenever someone points out a discrepancy in their view they trot out "mysterious and elusive dark matter"...

Gravity is a weak field compared to electro-magnetism.  I would posit that holds things together a lot better than gravity.  What causes atoms to function the way they do?  Electromagnetism.


Dark matter is not proven.  It has not been found ANYWHERE even though many of it's proponents say 80% of the entire universe is made up of it.


It must be a "quantum ninja" Zuoden.  It hides behind itself all over the place simultaneously, thus keeping itself "mysterious, elusive, and dark"....

Icelander said:

Dark matter is needed

to explain the rotation of the galaxy.





Sounds a little suspicious to me.

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MycoUnderground said:

Icelander said:

Dark matter is needed

to explain the rotation of the galaxy.





Sounds a little suspicious to me.

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It is needed, and it is there.  We have seen it indirectly through gravitational lensing.

What's suspicious about that?

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I "saw" God indirectly by reading the Bible and praying.

Mr.Al said:

zouden said:

Mr.Al said:

It's fucking "mysterious and elusive"! 


It's like some kind of "quantum ninja matter".

Basically, their math is supremely fucked so they fudge the numbers by saying "Uhhhhh, the universe is made up of about 80% of "elusive and mysterious" DARK MATTER.

It is so fucking elusive no one's found it yet.

BUT WE KNOW IT IS THERE!

GRRRRRRR.  HOW Dare YOU Question MY scientific DOGMA!




Holy shit, "Dark matter is mysterious......."

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It's not quantum ninja matter. It's a form of matter that doesn't block light or reflect it, so it's invisible to us. The only way to detect it is through the gravitation force that it exerts. Dark matter is needed to explain the rotation of the galaxy.

Compare this to God, which has no way of being detected, and no need for his existence. How is dark matter in any way similar to religion?

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Bullshit, you say the only way to detect it is through gravitational force that "it" exerts because the scientists are missing 80% of the mass that they thought the universe had.  Myco said that "dark matter" is what causes the universe to expand faster.


It sounds a lot like scientists don't have a perfect picture as to how the universe works so whenever someone points out a discrepancy in their view they trot out "mysterious and elusive dark matter"...

Gravity is a weak field compared to electro-magnetism.  I would posit that holds things together a lot better than gravity.  What causes atoms to function the way they do?  Electromagnetism.


Dark matter is not proven.  It has not been found ANYWHERE even though many of it's proponents say 80% of the entire universe is made up of it.


It must be a "quantum ninja" Zuoden.  It hides behind itself all over the place simultaneously, thus keeping itself "mysterious, elusive, and dark"....

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Icelander said:

MycoUnderground said:

Icelander said:

Dark matter is needed

to explain the rotation of the galaxy.





Sounds a little suspicious to me.

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It is needed, and it is there.  We have seen it indirectly through gravitational lensing.

What's suspicious about that?

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I "saw" God indirectly by reading the Bible and praying.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

And a wee bit racist.

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In most popularized science sources, BBT is often described with something like "The universe came into being due to the explosion of a point in which all matter was concentrated." Not surprisingly, this is probably the standard impression which most people have of the theory. Occasionally, one even hears "In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded."

There are several misconceptions hidden in these statements:

•The BBT is not about the origin of the universe. Rather, its primary focus is the development of the universe over time.
•BBT does not imply that the universe was ever point-like.
•The origin of the universe was not an explosion of matter into already existing space.
The famous cosmologist P. J. E. Peebles stated this succinctly in the January 2001 edition of Scientific American (the whole issue was about cosmology and is worth reading!): "That the universe is expanding and cooling is the essence of the big bang theory. You will notice I have said nothing about an 'explosion' - the big bang theory describes how our universe is evolving, not how it began." (p. 44). The March 2005 issue also contained an excellent article pointing out and correcting many of the usual misconceptions about BBT.

Another cosmologist, the German Rudolf Kippenhahn, wrote the following in his book "Kosmologie fuer die Westentasche" ("cosmology for the pocket"): "There is also the widespread mistaken belief that, according to Hubble's law, the Big Bang began at one certain point in space. For example: At one point, an explosion happened, and from that an explosion cloud travelled into empty space, like an explosion on earth, and the matter in it thins out into greater areas of space more and more. No, Hubble's law only says that matter was more dense everywhere at an earlier time, and that it thins out over time because everything flows away from each other." In a footnote, he added: "In popular science presentations, often early phases of the universe are mentioned as 'at the time when the universe was as big as an apple' or 'as a pea'. What is meant there is in general the epoch in which not the whole, but only the part of the universe which is observable today had these sizes." (pp. 46, 47; FAQ author's translation, all emphasizes in original)

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Icelander said:

Dark matter is needed

to explain the rotation of the galaxy.





Sounds a little suspicious to me.

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This situation can either be satisfied by us being wrong in some way (equations a bit off, measurements of mass wrong, whatever) or the dark matter actually existing.

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Mr.Al said:

Bullshit, you say the only way to detect it is through gravitational force that "it" exerts because the scientists are missing 80% of the mass that they thought the universe had.  Myco said that "dark matter" is what causes the universe to expand faster.


It sounds a lot like scientists don't have a perfect picture as to how the universe works so whenever someone points out a discrepancy in their view they trot out "mysterious and elusive dark matter"...

Gravity is a weak field compared to electro-magnetism.  I would posit that holds things together a lot better than gravity.  What causes atoms to function the way they do?  Electromagnetism.


Dark matter is not proven.  It has not been found ANYWHERE even though many of it's proponents say 80% of the entire universe is made up of it.


It must be a "quantum ninja" Zuoden.  It hides behind itself all over the place simultaneously, thus keeping itself "mysterious, elusive, and dark"....

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Gravity is a weak field compared to electro-magnetism.  I would posit that holds things together a lot better than gravity.

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Poid said:

zouden said:

Oh I see. You're missing one of your other premises - that nothing can be created. This premise is false in the case of the beginning of the universe.

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There is no such thing as the "beginning of the universe" because this implies non-existence, which is an impossible hypothetical phenomenon.

So far, nobody has rebutted my claim that non-existence is impossible; so long as this claim is true, the Big Bang theory is a false explanation for the "origin" of the universe.

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