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OfflineMarkostheGnostic
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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5472508 - 04/03/06 06:51 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

God does not have proportion.
The Kabbalists have presented the finest metaphysical notions (IMO) that describes God withdrawing/retracting the Infinite Being to create a 'Void' or a 'vacuole' the 'size' of a Singularity. Into this Singularity in which God's Infinite Being voided It's Presence (Tsim Tsum), the Pure Ideas began to manifest 'without' (yet, paradoxically, bounded omnidirectionally) God. The Big Bang (at 10 to the -43rd second) resulted in dirctionality and proportion as soom as one-dimensional 'emanations' left the Singularity.

Thus, while God is Present in Immanence, giving rise to, or perhaps making existence possible and sustaining existence by continual willing (or, intentionality - the only invariant feature of Consciousness), God's transcendent being is found at the Heart of Hearts of human consciousness and at the boundary of curved space, where that 'vacuole' continues to expand omnidirectionally within the Infinite and Transcendent Being of God. Unless entropy is allowed to cause a slowdown, stoppage and reversal, the universe could expand indefinately (but, there must be a point to creation, and collapse might mean the 'oscillating theory' that Hindu sages have long-maintained, with each new Big Bang resulting in novelty - for God.

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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5473566 - 04/03/06 01:49 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I disagree; leave it as "Philosophy and Spirituality", you've already done enough by having the order of the two words switched around. :wink:

The main distinction between the two forums is simply the style in which we post. This thread in particular belongs here if the poster wishes to discuss the topic in the style in which is appropriate for this forum.

God knows there are thousands of threads whose topics would fit equally well in both forums. The forum wasn't really split so that different topics could be discussed in different forums, but so that the same topics could be discussed in different manners. :grin: I'd also be entirely willing to split hairs as to whether or not "religion, mysticism, and paranormal" have ANYTHING at all to do with spirituality:stoned:

As for the term "Morality" itself, it doesn't apply to this forum in any considerable way, not enough to have a phrase that does apply to be replaced with it. Also, where is the great distinction between "Morality" and "Ethics"? The term "Philosophy" is pretty inclusive in this regard. :smirk:

If the only problem is that some people might mistakenly post a topic in this forum and it is discussed in a manner that they did not intend on, then our moderators should gladly rise to the occasion and move it; hey, after all, that is why they are (suspossedly) here. :lol: As the thread starter has expressed no discord concerning the (lack) of discussion of his idea, then it most certainly belongs here.

Let's not further reduce the amount of traffic that filters through this forum by removing the term that represents its essence. :wink:

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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5473604 - 04/03/06 02:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
I'd also be entirely willing to split hairs as to whether or not "religion, mysticism, and paranormal" have ANYTHING at all to do with spirituality.




the number 2 definition of spirituality in my dictionary is "of or relating to religion or religious belief". i don't see how anyone could possibly argue that religion and mysticism don't have anything at all to do with spirituality.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5473613 - 04/03/06 02:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

What are you talking about?! And why are you trying to maintain straight edges when these boundaries are so fuzzy?


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5474014 - 04/03/06 07:04 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I like the tension which is given with the two aspects (which were once one), P&S. I would love to see spiritual subjects discussed philosophically or philosophical subjects spiritually. And yes, moral, like ethic is a part of philosophy, and I wouldn't like any nutshell here in this corner :wink:
I only would propose something like "Philosophy & Spirituality - Battleground" bash, wherever you see falsity!
and "RM&P - Flowergarden" be careful where you step.

Something like that :grin: :heart:


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5474033 - 04/03/06 07:09 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

actually I think the initial post on this thread makes much sense. reading parallel worlds by michio kaku you can see that the latest bigbang theory is based on the concept of inflation. the universe would inflate from a single point expanding like a balloon. where did this single point rest before inflating? the answer proposed is on the surface of another balloon. so there would be multiple universes on a complex equation of death and rebirth. does it sound like life?

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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: a_h_w]
    #5474073 - 04/03/06 07:30 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

The balloon analogy is to visualize the expansion of 3D space on the 2D surface of the balloon. How did he come to the answer that the singularity was positioned in (or popped out of) another space(universe?)?

The big bang theory is not a theory about the "real" origin of universe: it does not say where everything came from. The big bang theory does describe what happened after the universe came into existence.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: Annom]
    #5474951 - 04/03/06 11:50 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with the current heading of Philosophy and Spirituality and yes spirituality does fall into the religous relm. I take a course which incorperates the two and they contrast at times but also completment each other very nicely. Just my two cents


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5475441 - 04/04/06 01:26 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I think what was before the big bang must have been God.


It could have been God.
We really can't say, with any honesty, what was actually before the Big ole Bang. Although, we're free to guess.


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