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recent realization (Big Bang)
    #5471629 - 04/03/06 02:58 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I have been thinking lately and have thought of a new idea of the big bang. I think what was before the big bang must have been God. I picture it as sphere type. I see God in everything and I think this is because God is in everything just proportionaly smaller than before the big bang.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5471640 - 04/03/06 03:01 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

MRP.... its down the hall on your right. If you notice anything logical, you have gone too far.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5471673 - 04/03/06 03:08 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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MRP.... its down the hall on your right. If you notice anything logical, you have gone too far.




since when did you join the swami cabal?


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: Deviate]
    #5471693 - 04/03/06 03:13 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I am a neutral one-man faction in all this. Kind of Like the Libertarian party.... sometimes they are ultra-conservative, then other times ultra liberal.

I was always for the split, and I think those distincions between the two should be observed. The logic part was joking.... just because someone has some reverence for logical behaviour does not mean they are part of the swami cabal...

btw, Im glad that name stuck.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5471722 - 04/03/06 03:20 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

i wasn't sure if you were joking or not. i'm also in favor of the split because i think people should be able to post whatever wild trip induced theories enter their heads without always being met by a slew of critisism and scorn like was so often the case here. i don't think it means logic must be left behind there though.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: Deviate]
    #5471744 - 04/03/06 03:24 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I agree, but threads like these..... well atleast the thread starter, belong with their ilk. It helps for better discussion when you talk about this crap with the 2012 crowd.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5471780 - 04/03/06 03:31 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

oh i definitely think people should observe the distinction when making threads, i only posted because i wanted to see whether you were joking about the forum lacking anything logical. i think the confusion arises over the word "spirituality" in the title of this forum, which is why i liked it better when it was called philosophy.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: Deviate]
    #5471863 - 04/03/06 03:50 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps Philosophy and Morality would be better?




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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5471874 - 04/03/06 03:52 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

hey! that is a great idea. Spirituality is too broad of a term.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5471879 - 04/03/06 03:54 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

that would be fine. i just think its confusing for new people especially, because maybe they have what they consider a spiritual experience or they are interested in spirituality and so they post here only to be told they're in the wrong place.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5471894 - 04/03/06 03:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Like.....god was a large mass of energy and decided to explode(big bang) and created everything and is everything?


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: Ximp]
    #5471906 - 04/03/06 03:59 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

like.... toadly


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5471927 - 04/03/06 04:03 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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hey! that is a great idea. Spirituality is too broad of a term.





that's what i've always thought, mysticism and religion both fall under the umbrella term of spirituality. while its often initially clear which forum a thread should go in, the discussions here can easily shift into the realm of mysticism and/or religion. i remember icelander once telling me one of my replies was too mystical for this forum, well it's not like i can move the entire thread with one reply and i don't think it makes sense to not post relevant information merely because the forum lacks the word mysticism in the title.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: Deviate]
    #5471944 - 04/03/06 04:08 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with both you and Psilocyberin - the nebulosity of such a term does lead to alot of messiness in this forum. Some people recognize spirituality as another term for introspective psychology with pertinence to methods of epistemology in a layman's sort of way. On the other hand, some recognize the word to mean mystical, other-worldly, esoteric experiences.

Philosophy and Morality would be an excellent alternative. In the presence of popular demands of this forum, I doubt the admins would have any substantial reason to refuse such a minor adjustment to the title. But first we'll have to see if it is a well-agreed upon idea. I propose a poll to gather the opinions of the regulars here in this forum. If the majority agree with us, then we should have a sufficient case to present to the admins.




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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5472322 - 04/03/06 05:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I think what was before the big bang must have been God.

So... what was before God?


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: Diploid]
    #5472335 - 04/03/06 06:00 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

there was no before....haha


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5472341 - 04/03/06 06:01 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

there was no before

Why can't you say that about the Big Bang itself and save yourself a step?


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: Diploid]
    #5472386 - 04/03/06 06:12 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

because you are thinking in terms of "time". What was before is inconceivable to humans. Before is God's "time". The big bang theory makes sense up until you ask what's before the bang. Everythin works out too well for the bang to be a random act.

conciousness comming from random explosion?


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"Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings."


Edited by David_vs_Goliath (04/03/06 06:13 AM)


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5472396 - 04/03/06 06:15 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

because you are thinking in terms of "time".

Nope. You're the one who said:

I think what was before the big bang must have been God

I just responded in kind.

What was before is inconceivable to humans

If it's inconceivable, you can't know know anything about it, including if it was God or not, so why bring it up?


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5472404 - 04/03/06 06:16 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Of course, there would be a more interesting solution by making a "Spirituality & Morality" forum....
--- JUST because of the name....    :lol:

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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5472508 - 04/03/06 06:51 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

God does not have proportion.
The Kabbalists have presented the finest metaphysical notions (IMO) that describes God withdrawing/retracting the Infinite Being to create a 'Void' or a 'vacuole' the 'size' of a Singularity. Into this Singularity in which God's Infinite Being voided It's Presence (Tsim Tsum), the Pure Ideas began to manifest 'without' (yet, paradoxically, bounded omnidirectionally) God. The Big Bang (at 10 to the -43rd second) resulted in dirctionality and proportion as soom as one-dimensional 'emanations' left the Singularity.

Thus, while God is Present in Immanence, giving rise to, or perhaps making existence possible and sustaining existence by continual willing (or, intentionality - the only invariant feature of Consciousness), God's transcendent being is found at the Heart of Hearts of human consciousness and at the boundary of curved space, where that 'vacuole' continues to expand omnidirectionally within the Infinite and Transcendent Being of God. Unless entropy is allowed to cause a slowdown, stoppage and reversal, the universe could expand indefinately (but, there must be a point to creation, and collapse might mean the 'oscillating theory' that Hindu sages have long-maintained, with each new Big Bang resulting in novelty - for God.

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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5473566 - 04/03/06 01:49 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I disagree; leave it as "Philosophy and Spirituality", you've already done enough by having the order of the two words switched around. :wink:

The main distinction between the two forums is simply the style in which we post. This thread in particular belongs here if the poster wishes to discuss the topic in the style in which is appropriate for this forum.

God knows there are thousands of threads whose topics would fit equally well in both forums. The forum wasn't really split so that different topics could be discussed in different forums, but so that the same topics could be discussed in different manners. :grin: I'd also be entirely willing to split hairs as to whether or not "religion, mysticism, and paranormal" have ANYTHING at all to do with spirituality:stoned:

As for the term "Morality" itself, it doesn't apply to this forum in any considerable way, not enough to have a phrase that does apply to be replaced with it. Also, where is the great distinction between "Morality" and "Ethics"? The term "Philosophy" is pretty inclusive in this regard. :smirk:

If the only problem is that some people might mistakenly post a topic in this forum and it is discussed in a manner that they did not intend on, then our moderators should gladly rise to the occasion and move it; hey, after all, that is why they are (suspossedly) here. :lol: As the thread starter has expressed no discord concerning the (lack) of discussion of his idea, then it most certainly belongs here.

Let's not further reduce the amount of traffic that filters through this forum by removing the term that represents its essence. :wink:

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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5473604 - 04/03/06 02:33 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd also be entirely willing to split hairs as to whether or not "religion, mysticism, and paranormal" have ANYTHING at all to do with spirituality.




the number 2 definition of spirituality in my dictionary is "of or relating to religion or religious belief". i don't see how anyone could possibly argue that religion and mysticism don't have anything at all to do with spirituality.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5473613 - 04/03/06 02:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

What are you talking about?! And why are you trying to maintain straight edges when these boundaries are so fuzzy?


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5474014 - 04/03/06 07:04 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I like the tension which is given with the two aspects (which were once one), P&S. I would love to see spiritual subjects discussed philosophically or philosophical subjects spiritually. And yes, moral, like ethic is a part of philosophy, and I wouldn't like any nutshell here in this corner :wink:
I only would propose something like "Philosophy & Spirituality - Battleground" bash, wherever you see falsity!
and "RM&P - Flowergarden" be careful where you step.

Something like that :grin: :heart:


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5474033 - 04/03/06 07:09 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

actually I think the initial post on this thread makes much sense. reading parallel worlds by michio kaku you can see that the latest bigbang theory is based on the concept of inflation. the universe would inflate from a single point expanding like a balloon. where did this single point rest before inflating? the answer proposed is on the surface of another balloon. so there would be multiple universes on a complex equation of death and rebirth. does it sound like life?

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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: a_h_w]
    #5474073 - 04/03/06 07:30 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

The balloon analogy is to visualize the expansion of 3D space on the 2D surface of the balloon. How did he come to the answer that the singularity was positioned in (or popped out of) another space(universe?)?

The big bang theory is not a theory about the "real" origin of universe: it does not say where everything came from. The big bang theory does describe what happened after the universe came into existence.


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: Annom]
    #5474951 - 04/03/06 11:50 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with the current heading of Philosophy and Spirituality and yes spirituality does fall into the religous relm. I take a course which incorperates the two and they contrast at times but also completment each other very nicely. Just my two cents


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Re: recent realization (Big Bang) [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5475441 - 04/04/06 01:26 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I think what was before the big bang must have been God.


It could have been God.
We really can't say, with any honesty, what was actually before the Big ole Bang. Although, we're free to guess.


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