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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: Schwammel]
    #5064480 - 12/15/05 05:52 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

its easy to explain why the earth is round...soo it seems

but the sun isn't revolving around the earth.

maybe a giant fire ball spewing forth from the sun into all directions and any excess matter polarized by the magnetic pulses clinging together to form planets.

but why is the sun round? 15 billion yaers is nothing.

its more likely that 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000trillion years ago two masses collided and spewed forth life.

but where dis these masses come from?


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: OneWhoHasSeen]
    #5064484 - 12/15/05 05:53 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Could you post a link or something about this? If this is true, then I can put my mind at ease about all of this.

http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~ryden/ast162_10/notes41.html

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During the past decade, research groups have carefully observed Type Ia supernovae with large redshifts (and hence at large distances). After observing dozens of distant supernovae, they plotted the distances (deduced from their apparent brightness) as a function of their recession velocity (deduced from their redshift).

* Result: distant supernovae have redshifts slightly smaller than they would if the expansion of the universe were not accelerated.
* Deduction: the universe was expanding more slowly in the past than it is now.
* Speculation: the speed-up of the expansion is caused by the pressure of the dark energy.




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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: trendal]
    #5064502 - 12/15/05 05:56 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

For anyone who is interested in finding out what Entropy really is (it's not all that complicated) I suggest these pages:

http://www.entropysite.com/entropy_is_simple/index.html
http://www.2ndlaw.com/entropy.html
http://www.secondlaw.com/six.html


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: OneWhoHasSeen]
    #5064518 - 12/15/05 05:59 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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OneWhoHasSeen said:
Vacuum, at least from a scientific point of view, is not part of the universe because it has absolutely no energy what so ever.




Not true. Even the vacuum contains energy, the so-called "zero-point" energy. This is a prediction of quantum mechanics, and has been proved correct with things like Hawking Radiation and the Casimir effect.

Also, the universe is not expanding "into" a vacuum which is already there. Nor is the vacuum separate in any way from our universe. There is absolutely no point in speaking about anything "separate" from or "outside" of our universe. All of our conceptions of space can only reasonably hold true within this universe, within this spacetime. A vacuum is as much a part of spacetime as a block of iron is...it just happens to have an incredibly low energy state when compared to solid matter.


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: trendal]
    #5064530 - 12/15/05 06:03 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

these masses came from an infinite universe of decay and rebirth.

its just keeps getting smaller and smaller the further out it travels.

and wher did the infinite come from? and wheres the finite?

i just made it up...period. tahts it.


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: Schwammel]
    #5064543 - 12/15/05 06:09 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

its simple...

why is the earth round?

why is the sun round?

why is evrything rotating?

waht happens when these things cease to rotate?

they spin off into a nonvibrating state untill they collide again.


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: Schwammel]
    #5064560 - 12/15/05 06:16 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

why is the earth round?

why is the sun round?


Because that is the most compact (both physically and energy) configuration for large quantities of matter to take on, the same reason soap bubbles take on a spherical shape. Gravity causes all things to fall towards a center.

why is evrything rotating?

Because while gravity always pulls towards the very center...nothing ever actually falls directly on the center. More to the side. That imparts a revolving motion on collapsing clouds of interstellar dust. Look at the way water drains out of a bathtub for a prime example.

waht happens when these things cease to rotate?

That doesn't happen.


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: Schwammel]
    #5064595 - 12/15/05 06:24 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

and when they do

it starts all over Again...

until all the energy is finally expended.

at that point it all ends...

cept for the fact that nothing can end without a beginning...

and that's where we come in.

we go through the same process of birth and rebirth....blah blah blah...

and we can't seem to understand the chicken or the egg analogy

its really easy...

if we did we won't exist.


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: Schwammel]
    #5064647 - 12/15/05 06:38 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

the earth is round becuz its a liquid fire ball moving throught space and time...its mantle might be cool to the touch but its a fireball none the less. and its spinning

when you take a piece of already chewed gum and put it in the palm of yor hand and place the other palm over the already chewed gum and apply pressure, the motion to the gum will make it round.


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: Schwammel]
    #5064744 - 12/15/05 07:09 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

it you just applied pressure without motion that would be a black hole.

and they aren't round. holes are just places where pressure isn't as great and the concentric forces cancel themselves out. time and space are on a different wavelength here


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: Schwammel]
    #5068525 - 12/16/05 03:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

trendal,

I am sorry it took so long for me to respond.

I wanted to thank you for posting that link, my mind is put much at ease now that the universe and the laws of physics are back in sync.

Thanks for the discussion everyone. I don't know about you, but I certainly learned a lot.


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Re: Entropy, the Universe, and the Big Bang [Re: OneWhoHasSeen]
    #5070163 - 12/16/05 02:29 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Secondly, the rate at which the universe is expanding is decreasing, it is decelerating. The only reasonable account for this is that the gravity of the known universe is pulling on itself, pulling back toward the central explosion point.




Acutally, another "reasonable account for this" is that your statement is incorrect. The universe is accelerating, not decelerating. Nobody knows why, but it has been measured by many different scientists using many different techniques.


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