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Conclusions I've come to after thinking about the holographic universe for a few weeks
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First off, I think that the holographic universe theory does a lot to explain all of the aspects of my spirituality. Or does this make me a man of science? Hmmm....

Anyway, there's a lot of different types of leaders, spiritual or otherwise, that seem to rely heavily on this concept, but then they go and say something silly like this reality is all an illusion because it's merely information that's perceived a certain way.

While the fact that it's information that's perceived a certain way may be true, there's absolutely no reason to say that this is an illusion, because there's parameters here that we all must share and adhere to. For argument's sake, I'm going to say that these parameters are what defines reality. Even if it's not the totality of reality, it is, indeed a part of a greater reality. The experience is still here.

That being said, I believe that all matter, living or not, is all part of one mind, the supreme being, the collective consciousness. We are merely extensions, like gatherers of information sent forward to learn and experience, so the mind that we all share can grow. Because of this, I believe it's insulting to say that this reality is merely an illusion.

The principles of manifestation that are often talked about (Willing something you desire into existence by asking for it) is well and good, and something that I do believe in, however, since it is one will and divided into billions, there is always a competing factor between everyone. Especially, say if you have 200 million people that want to win the same lottery.

When I was driving across the province where I live, I started thinking again and again to myself "I can't exist without the universe. The universe can't exist without me." I find the longer I reflect on this concept, I begin to feel more and more connected to everything, a feeling of love welling up inside of me.

I suspect that in some way, we experience being everything and everyone that ever was, is, and will be.

If the holographic universe theory is correct and time doesn't exist, I could easily explain how all of the information from the universe is contained in everything - It started at one itty bitty point, before the Big Bang. If all the matter was contained in one spot at one point, I can't of course say time, so I'll say at one point in perception, then it should always  contain the same information, which is what it is and allows us to perceive.

To me, this feels like the most correct concept. Thoughts?

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Re: Conclusions I've come to after thinking about the holographic universe for a few weeks [Re: Cyric]
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to the extent that all this is an illusion IMO is the extent that all of this is blinding us from the rest of it or keeping us from the rest of it, not that it's nrcessarily false in a definitive or complete sense.  I would be willing to bet gathered from my research and how I feel about it, that even the totality, or eternity of simultinaity is going somewhere and that the end of time itself is also moving and alive looking, just like we are.  But like you said how we experience everything in an eternal simultinaity, with all our bias to the situation. So as even eternity evolves, our complexity and all the rest ... I don't know how to say it but it's always fresh if even an old way. Things somehow, if not in words, somehow I know it's coming together and will continue to clarify where we will be going. Time seems like a vortex that's going places outside. 

I like to think of eternity like a frectal and it's infinity of replications as a model of infinite possibities in every moment where every moment is a mirror replication of every other moment in some unique form, and I hesitate to call that a bias cause that leads to illusion. The point is it's all different ways of looking at the same thing.

To say, at the end of time, all moments are included like sensations in the moment but for the totality. I don't and can't know for sure untill the process of continual reallignment takes us to and beyond such a realization, understanding, or experience of such a bias in it's fully ellicidated form. This all irks me when I get thinking about not now as the whole point is now and when it comes, it's already here and always has been, just it's like time has to toy with our understandings while our inderstandings toy with time to the point of oneness with all of time.

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Re: Conclusions I've come to after thinking about the holographic universe for a few weeks [Re: Cyric]
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Your conclusions are very similar to ones I have drawn up to this *point* in time.  However, I am not sure that all *matter* was contained in an itty bitty point before the big bang.  Maybe all the *energy*/*consciousness* that this universe contains was present before the big bang, but *matter* has been forming/changing/becoming/unbecoming *matter* since that moment.  (I understand your statement and I realize that all of what is now *matter* did originate from a singularity, but my point is that it did not begin as matter nor will it likely end as such).

The holographic nature of reality encompasses much more than just the concepts of material/matter, space/time continuums, and even universes themselves.  Reality is a singularity yes, but its size is undefinable and matter is only a very small fraction of its infinite expressions.

Sorry for getting stuck on semantics.  I do actually agree with most everything in your post.  You are absolutely correct in your opinion that this 3D physical material existence is a valid/divine expression of reality, but to my mind, focusing on the material aspect of reality is like painting with only the color red.

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Cyric said:
I suspect that in some way, we experience being everything and everyone that ever was, is, and will be.


I couldn't have said it better myself!

This quote describes my feelings on life/death/afterlife/reincarnation.  This one life/experience as the 22 year old white male I am now is absolutely not the totality of my experiential existence.  However, applying the traditional definitions of reincarnation, it is very difficult to accurately describe much of the meaningful phenomena characteristic of the life process.  There is way too much of an overlap of memorial/imaginary (the difference is difficult to distinguish) experiences across vast time spans and cultural boundaries to be able to cleanly apply a static time line of direct reincarnation.  Not that linear reincarnation is not a part of how it works, it just seems to me to be more likely that, as you said above, we are all one awareness (of stratified bandwidth) experiencing itself subjectively and indefinitely with a great deal of inter permeation of said experiences between sentients through a kind of overmind/oversoul/collective unconsciousness.


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"The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji
"Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream."
"My karma ran over my dogma!"

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Re: Conclusions I've come to after thinking about the holographic universe for a few weeks [Re: Cyric]
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I too find the holographic principle compelling; the whole containing every part and every part containing the whole. But trying to make any sense or anything out of it, now that's the real tricky part.

Complementary to the hologram analogy, I find the analogy of the focal plane of lens interesting too; in Fourier optics, each point on the focal plane do not correspond to a spatial coordinate of the object plane but rather to the combined contributions from every points on the object plane, thus forming an interference pattern. Because of this one recovers, in the focal plane, the (the approximate) Fourier transform of the object plane.

In that sense every conscious being, or more precisely every speck of life consists in a focal point of the universe, its manifestation the ad-hoc convergence of the universe onto itself.

In other words, the condition for the case that there is something it is like to be alive to make itself manifest is that the universe comes to focus, to more of less converge its whole shape in itself. The particular nature of these focal points as life manifestations thus depends strongly on the forms involved in the convergence process, metaphorically on the shape of the lens.

I would tend to see such kind of convergence in systems like the earth as a whole. The mix of steady, periodic and random energy sources comprising the sun and the Earth geomorphologic activity, together with a cold outer space acting as an energy sink, effectively subject the Earth to a constant energy flow, thereby activating the possible convergence of the universe in its space of possibilities, up to or deep down to the capacity given by the strength and quality of said energy flow. By this very process, that which is robust to convergence is selected and that which is not diverge, giving rise to an evolving process of life and death.

Interestingly, this process of convergence is at the very core of the fractal concept where the space of possibilities is taken to be the complex plane. All points of the complex plane that converge rather than diverge upon being act on by a simple iterative process form the boundary of the fractal.

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