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 I've figured it out now... 
#638551 - 05/21/02 01:01 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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All is chaos, in everything around is is chaos. And thats what binds us together.
I love chaos, by writing this i could fall down and die by my own chair falling on top of me. THATS CHAOS! Chaos is constant. Nothing is 100% sure only thing sure is that everything is chaos.  I found this out last night. And i don't care about people who don't agree, i will not even react. So only people who agree, please react and work this out to a much more clear sentence.
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#638574 - 05/21/02 01:37 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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ahh.. so you're saying that stuff happens.. now i understand
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#638631 - 05/21/02 02:54 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow! we have a winner!:))
i'm glad there is one more person on the earth opening his eyes...
the whole universe is a neverending, everchanging flow. nothing is constant.
it only may seem constant to us, but it isn't.
exactly the way earth seemed flat to people in the past.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
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Simply by replying to your post I am trying to create order (in my own mind) out of chaos. How can intelligent beings not contradict chaos and still be intelligible? That's what I'd like to know.  
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#638677 - 05/21/02 04:07 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are getting my point exactly!
Fantastic!
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#638680 - 05/21/02 04:09 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Every spark of chemical reaction in your mind comes forth out of chaos.
Not everything has a reason, thats why its chaos.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#638686 - 05/21/02 04:12 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I get it. We only perceive it to be order in our minds, it's actually chaos. From chaos to chaos. It's all just chaos. Order is an illusion? I kinda' like it.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: frogsheath]
#638692 - 05/21/02 04:19 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Congrates, by fact... Human Life Is One big illusion. But people feel safe in it and believe in it.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#638701 - 05/21/02 04:29 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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But do we need to create order in our minds in order to survive? What would happen if we just gave in to the chaos? Why do we feel such an inherent desire to extract order from everything and deduce a nice, clean, clear picture of the universe?
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#638707 - 05/21/02 04:33 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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by the way - did you ended up to this conclusion only by your self? if so well done!
i have always had that little sparkle at the end of my mind that the world is not what it seems, and there is somekind of general truth we are missing... but reading the books of Osho, really opened my eyes.
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Order is fears enemy.
Giving in to chaos is wonderfull!
No more fear!
No more pain!
Just being pure and one....
If we would abandon order, we would lose our fears. Or our fears will controle us even more...
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#638712 - 05/21/02 04:47 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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With the sun on your back, and you're eyes looking at you're shadow... You see me, i am like you. I ended up to this conclusion only by myself. My sign is virgo, so i am a thinker. Thinky thinky allllllll day long.... You need people who know, not books. People can teach you and give you feedback on things hanging on your mind. I have a friend who knows what we know. And we have wonderfull talks most of the time.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#638723 - 05/21/02 05:05 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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you are absolutly right. books are dead... but they are doing somekind of work after all - i have made a lot of personal improvement due to reading. i have that big problem that i don't have a friend such as yours:)
i consider books only as guidelines - they give you the basic stuff and from that point it's up to you to explore...
but i deeply encourage you to read some of Osho's books. you can try the one for meditation... after all why do you have to loose your time inventing the wheel oncle again, when you can spent this time for something really new...
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: lof]
#638735 - 05/21/02 05:30 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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A thinking human brain, the most complex object in the known universe, forms from a blob of undifferentiated embryonic tissue. It then goes on to deduce that "everything is chaos". The gods of Irony beam with contentment.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#638772 - 05/21/02 06:15 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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there is an order in the universe. its called mathematics. everything is governed by it. as long as actions/reactions follow math, there is indeed order in the universe. i believe the most chaotic elements in our reality are human actions because no matter how much you analyze a situation, a human can be introduced into the equation, resulting in a multitude of possible outcomes which do not nessesarily follow universal logic. but then again, our minds are governed by mathematics which should make outcomes predictable, but we each contain our own little universe so there are infinite reactions.
reaction seen in logical analysis: bob shoves dave, dave shoves back
reaction spontanius: bob shoves dave, dave says "39,485,374,479"
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#638773 - 05/21/02 06:16 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually, everything is predetermined. Everything is a giant chain reaction which is determined by phisical and chemical laws that are so complex that we simply shrug it off as "chaos". I guess thats my own opinion though.
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#638807 - 05/21/02 06:34 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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chaos and order = yin and yang
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#638828 - 05/21/02 06:53 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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"random chance is insufficient to explain random chance"
(attributed to jubal harshaw)
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#638919 - 05/21/02 07:57 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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My sign is virgo, so i am a thinker.
Ahh, I didn't realize that people born under the other signs didn't think.
Don't blame me for being picky, blame my Zodiak sign.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#639369 - 05/21/02 02:32 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Chaos Isn't real, it is only percieved. Chaos is The inconsistencies, and contradictions of two or more ordered systems.
Order is the standard, it is the background upon which chaos is projected.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#639434 - 05/21/02 03:24 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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i like to think of order and chaos as two opposing forces, which can be represented by the yin-yang, as evolving said. two parts of the same circle.
they both come from the same place and they are both centered on the same point (now). one is pushing, the other is pulling. order is the inherent nature of the universe, the natural unity of void, the tendency to remain unified, which can be observed by being aware of cause-and-effect (a hurricane triggered by a butterfly's wings). if you die, fliquid, it will be the result of an *ordered* sequence of occurences. this, however, is where chaos comes in. chaos is, as someone else said, the unpredictability of the human mind. this is not just the human mind. it also exists to lesser degrees in the simpler animals, even single celled amoebas like me. it is the "pushing", the action for the sake of action that sets the chain of events in motion. chaos is the mind that decides for its own amusement to use the finger to push over the series of dominoes.
"i tell you: one must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star!" - nieztche
or maybe i'm just talking out of my ass again.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Amoeba665]
#639699 - 05/21/02 07:56 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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The only thing that can be truly chaotic is something that hasn't happened yet. Once it happens, then it is part of a sequence of events.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Clark]
#639758 - 05/21/02 08:51 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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(A thinking human brain, the most complex object in the known universe,)
How do you know there's nobody else on this planet who knows about a more complex object?
But i understand your point everything is weird. Awareness is weird.
But its chaos, and chaos is good.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: lof]
#639782 - 05/21/02 09:35 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Friend: A person that listens and most of the time understands. He/she doesn't judge all you say, but when he/she does you take it as positive feedback.
lof, i want to be your friend. So if you want it too send me an email, and we'll chat some more.
I know its sounds like i'm an idiot or a psychopat, i'm not...
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#639784 - 05/21/02 09:37 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Swami, if you have something good to add to this conversation. Please do...
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#639972 - 05/22/02 05:21 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Swami, if you have something good to add to this conversation. Please do...
He did.
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#639979 - 05/22/02 05:28 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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i was born under the sign of pisces, thus i am a dreamer...
(what do the rest of you do when you sleep, i wonder...)
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Its a shame that people play off the ancient art of astrology as nonsense simply because it has been corrupted for entertainment purposes. The true system has little to do with what sign the sun was in when you were born. The true use is to be able to learn more about yourself objectively. Contrary to what the newspaper says, every sign "influences" us.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Catalysis]
#640844 - 05/22/02 05:59 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its a shame that people play off the ancient art of astrology as nonsense simply because it has been corrupted for entertainment purposes.
Neither those practicing the original (Astrology "Classic") nor the New Astrology can show anything of substance in their "art", it is just so much mystic mumbo-jumbo.
But then again, I am an Aquarius and we don't believe in astrology.
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#640866 - 05/22/02 06:14 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOL
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obviously we have universal laws, but what the fuck, some of you are saying that we cant have chaos cause we have universal laws, wrong. chaos is only a perception, like order, but yet the human mind strives for order, only because thats how it is up on the other side, duh, we are only trying to create what its like on the other side where we came from, i say good luck to those who will belive it can be done, for now i will live in chaos cause its fun and thats why were here, to learn from it and the bad things that come out of it, but like i said i will have fun with it now cause i can, even though i know its not good. It will take major destruction of the world before we learn from our self created chaos.
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Damn I am glad you guys get it. In this world sometimes i lose faith in people. but the questions you bring forth tells me about the universal code the one that we all live under. We cant resist. Listen to tool they speak truth. I love all. Do the same and you will see. It is the only way
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I think that to say you "get it" would be a lie. You cannot just sum something like this up in a one sentence/paragraph answer. You could write a whole book on it and you still would not be able to totally "get it". I think you all have great points and I have found it to be quite insightful to read them, but to say "I get it!" is just a little bit of a stretch, eh?
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: lof]
#719335 - 07/02/02 11:22 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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YES! This is the threat i was looking for ! LOF I'VE FOUND YOU!
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#719340 - 07/02/02 11:32 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have to say, you are right! 
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#720608 - 07/03/02 02:31 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that to say you "get it" would be a lie. You cannot just sum something like this up in a one
sentence/paragraph answer.
Hey I never knew you could tell whether a person "gets something" by examing 2 words they wrote. Is it their duty to fully explain themselves to you or others? (not being rude just objectional )
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: chodamunky]
#723916 - 07/04/02 10:27 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#724785 - 07/05/02 12:40 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everything being chaos can be true, but there is always 1 level up.
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#725616 - 07/05/02 09:46 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Could you please make your remark a bit more clear for me? 
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#731929 - 07/08/02 04:10 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Even within chaos there is order, it is just more complex. A shattered glass has it's shards fly out in a seemingly chaotic fashion, but actually its angle of fall, gravity and whatever wind resistance or the shape and tilt of the surface it smashes on is within perfect order of the crash.
By that rationale there can be no chaos, only complex order that may have no perceptable logic.
I am the Walrus.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#745669 - 07/14/02 02:45 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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have you had any experience with the people at azarius.net?
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#746858 - 07/14/02 10:50 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, why do you ask?
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#746864 - 07/14/02 10:52 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I understand you example. Thank you for your concern.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#751142 - 07/16/02 01:51 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Forrest Gump coined the Phrase"Shit happens"
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You're entire statement came from perception from the I point of few. Lose the ego become pure...
Sorry but i was rereading my own master post ( i love this post ), and needed to respond.
In the I point of view you are right. But in the ego loss non person point of view you are not. 
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In one particular phase of my life, I immersed myself too much in what i think was "chaos" and i started to really wonder what was stopping me from running out in the street naked and screaming or to simply just go on a killing spree.. after all, if everything is just chaos than what would it matter?
yea.. "chaos" made me a little nervous
maybe ill believe in destiny now instead 
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Grav]
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goodpost, when your thoughts while non tripping start to reflect your thoughts tripping,you essentially break or close in the barrier, you will experience egoloss while not trippin, welcome to my world. close your eyes and detach yourself from your surroundings and your own senses, drift into the nothingness and watch mind,here you will glimpse enlightenment as you monitor every thought coming from the nothingness.
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#857482 - 09/01/02 04:26 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a reason for everything, & everything has a reason.
There are no exceptions.
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No exceptions???
THAT's unreasonable...
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#857499 - 09/01/02 04:35 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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there are exceptions to everything
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Thats why we have so many wacko's on the planet.
Not everybody fits in the sociaty bases world. And sometimes they can't handle it due to the fact that they simply don't understand the why of life... (This is not a typing error by the way).
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#859118 - 09/02/02 02:03 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Show me an exception.
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I just signed up here, and this is the first thread I've read. I must say it is wonderful to finally find open minds...
Perhaps what we perceive as chaos is simply understanding not yet attained. Is that really the opposite of order? Order seems to me to be our perception of understanding based on the mere fragmentary knowledge we have attained. Order is illusionary, but all of us participate in this illusion to some degree. If we were free from it, we would have achieved total transcendence and the fetters which bind us to this world would become meaningless. Others become so rapt in their perception of order that they deny chaos. The truth, as always, probably lies somewhere in the middle and dances elusively just beyond the limits of our perception... and that is wonderful. It drives us to hold fast to our quest for pure understanding. Chaos must be embraced, for it is not the same as randomness - rather it is enlightenment not yet attained. How blesed are those rare moments when revelation causes a fragment of the formerly incomprehensible to become conviction. Learning from books, or even teachers, only provides us with raw ingredients of understanding, like pieces of a puzzle. Only as we gradually remove the learned misconceptions which dull us to the universe can some of those pieces begin to come together, for all which is learned from others in meaningless unless we can synthesize it into personal conviction.
We shoulld not be frightened by chaos, or that which defies our current, ever fluid paradigm... rather we should embrace it. It is the only way we can grow. Every shattered misconception of order only brings us one step closer to the truth.
Of course that's just my current opinion, it could be a misconception.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: SativaFan]
#860305 - 09/02/02 10:02 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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misconception
Welcome to the shroomery, you just gained a friend.
You tell it as i feel it. I would almost say i love you...  But that could be misunderstood.
Your conception of reality is fantastic my friend. You continued my sentence, with a very clear calm explanation. And i totally agree with you.
MAN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SO MUCH FUN!!!
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#860436 - 09/02/02 11:21 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you. I can tell already I'm going to like it here! 
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: SativaFan]
#860444 - 09/02/02 11:27 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why don't you check my postings? I've made more interesting postings around the shroomery.
Oh, and something else. Not everybody is at the same level of thinking here. There are some beavis and butthead like people around also. They can be recognised by stupid remarks on serious philosophy's.
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: Fliquid]
#862632 - 09/03/02 11:59 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not debate this actual theory, but just to propose the idea... If this is chaos, anything is possible. When anything is possible, well.... Would we not be able to use chaos, contain chaos, manipulate chaos, create order? Unless its the same...
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: tak_old]
#862637 - 09/04/02 12:13 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well controle is never possible. Since everything is chaos. But chaos can be guided a bit. You must see it as water. You can hold it, but it will eventually not fully stay in your hands. You can contain it and use it for other purposses. But in the end it shall run free again.
Get it?
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: chasmudwell]
#862661 - 09/04/02 12:36 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well you could be right, only i'm not going to write a book about it.
Because by placing simple hints, the people who already know it a bit will get a boom and understand it more.
There is nothing we don't already know. The problem is understanding it...
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Re: I've figured it out now... [Re: tak_old]
#862663 - 09/04/02 12:38 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its nice to see, i made you hungry for more..
And the fact that you are getting to the point of understanding, makes it even better! 
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