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Believers of Proof, I have a challenge.
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I won't seek to disprove you, so it's all you.

The challenge:

Prove to me that you can prove something.

Ask yourself, is proof merely acceptable definition?


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Subtlety is the language of experience.

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: bkadoctaj]
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I see proof as a supporting explanation for whatever given phenomenon.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: bkadoctaj]
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What would constitute a proof to you ?

In a formal system one can always reject any axiom as unconvincing.

As for more empirical sciences, one merely acknowledge a theory together with the regularity of a perception, predicted or corroborated, as "best proof as of yet". But nothing proves me the sun will rise tomorrow.

The power of a proof goes hand in hand with regularity, but indeed this is no proof one can prove anything.

But more importantly, a "proof" must be more than a simple ostensive definition, it must make itself manifest in our use of it, in the dynamic structure of the environment we surrounds ourselves with, giving it a life of its own.

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: bkadoctaj]
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The fact that science works is proof that we can proof something eventho it is based on a system of belief we invented ourselves and which is based on nothing.

So.. what did I win?

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: Diaboleros]
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The honest attempt award.


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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: bkadoctaj]
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Lol you sure are a sore loser. Give me my money!

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: Diaboleros]
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I hear you can't be provoked unless you provoke.

Well it was just my heart talking anyway...  :tongue:


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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: bkadoctaj]
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We can't prove anything for certain, but we can prove as best as we can, and we use that proof to efficiently function in the world.


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Huuuuurrrrrr!

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: AlCapwn]
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I really doubt that that is possible. You can always deny our attempts by claiming it not to be acceptable proof. Logic itself isn't something that can be explained. The user must understand it. Logic and proof doesn't come to a person (although it may come close). In the end, a person must reach out to grasp the rational. If he/she doesn't want to that's his/her choice.

Hope this makes sense, but I doubt it will.

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: Dr_Skippy]
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I just posted here.

Proved.

Is that what you mean?

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: CowFarmer]
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Quote:
Prove to me that you can prove something.


What if I prove to you that I can't prove anything.

Would you believe me?


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Word to your mom.

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: BrainChemistry]
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BrainChemistry said:
Quote:
Prove to me that you can prove something.


What if I prove to you that I can't prove anything.

Would you believe me?


:thumbup:


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Those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. - Nietzsche

I've never faked a sarcasm in my life. True story.

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: bkadoctaj]
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bkadoctaj said:
Prove to me that you can prove something.




Does anyone else find this line of reasoning... circular?


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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: BrainChemistry]
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BrainChemistry said:
What if I prove to you that I can't prove anything.

Would you believe me?


No.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: CowFarmer]
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CowFarmer said:
I just posted here.

Proved.

Is that what you mean?


I think CowFarmer won.


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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: deimya]
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deimya said:
What would constitute a proof to you ?

In a formal system one can always reject any axiom as unconvincing.

As for more empirical sciences, one merely acknowledge a theory together with the regularity of a perception, predicted or corroborated, as "best proof as of yet". But nothing proves me the sun will rise tomorrow.

The power of a proof goes hand in hand with regularity, but indeed this is no proof one can prove anything.

But more importantly, a "proof" must be more than a simple ostensive definition, it must make itself manifest in our use of it, in the dynamic structure of the environment we surrounds ourselves with, giving it a life of its own.

Excellent post :thumbup:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: Lion]
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i prove you are here... period game over lol it aint hard

how do i prove it i dont even need to... you prove it for me

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: bkadoctaj]
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Profane things are easily proven.
My knife will/was/is able to cut a ripe mango fruit on earthly conditions now +/- 5 years...
I even can make predictions/retrospections on that...
:shrug:

btw, one always needs a hypothesis first, then the proof follows.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: BlueCoyote]
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bullshit hypothesis are for things you need to prove....

facts dont need hypothesis

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Re: Believers of Proof, I have a challenge. [Re: Mastamike1118]
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Mastamike1118 said:
bullshit hypothesis are for things you need to prove....


That' what this thread is about.

Quote:
facts dont need hypothesis

What makes a fact a fact ? :grin:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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