Cognitive_Shift said:

Life is so vastly unique in its properties in manipulating its existence from changing environment i find it a complete mystery that life isn't everywhere in the universe.

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Cognitive_Shift said:

Yes this is a very good argument, but still even from our limited perspective don't you think some form of life could exist without water as its catalyst for evolution?

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And if so it should be everywhere in our solar system?

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And wouldn't it be likely that there would be other forms of life just as intelligent as us if not more intelligent that would be curious enough to contact us through some sort of means?

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Yeah, this is puzzling.  The first explanation is that all other forms of life have undergone extinction and thus aren't around to communicate with us.  Another is that we're the most advanced out of any form of life out there.  Another is that since the Universe has been around for so long, technological singularities and other exponentially increasing moves towards evolution a la McKenna have already occurred for other lifeforms; but why don't these interact with us?  Perhaps we're unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and these other intelligences have nothing to learn.  Perhaps UFOs really are alien intelligences.  Perhaps even our whole conception of life and/or intelligence is species-centric; if another alien contacted us, would we even recognize it as alive?  Perhaps this is all a test to deem us worthy in the eyes of the Other?

I can't personally disagree with life originating through a chance collision, but I also can't explain how consciousness arose.  Perhaps the best explanation is that the entire Universe is alive, and we're merely different facets at lesser entropies observing ourselves?  Naturally, this is all speculation, but panpsychism looks better and better the more I look into it.

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But the probability of that is so ridiculously unlikely...

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Grapefruit said:

Give me a spiritual explanation? Yes, it makes no sense but how does god made the universe make sense?

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BIG EDIT HERE:  This is why i was hesitant to to use god.  First off i don't think anything created the universe, secondly the thread is about life and consciousness not the formation of the universe.


I personally believe its more likely that some sort of "god" i hate that using that word here because it can be interpreted differently than what i mean by it, but for lack of a better word "god" than any explanation science has to offer  I think with the progression of quantum mechanics we might get close to that, but from our current understanding of the unv i think its more plausible that a "god" gave life to earth.  Rather than the billions of coincidences that have happened for life as we know it to be possible.

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Orgel's Second Rule

"Evolution is cleverer than you are."

Orgel's Second Rule is intended as a rejoinder to the argument by lack of imagination. In general, this rule expresses the sometimes experienced fact that "trial and error" strategies are better than centralized intelligent human planning.

Orgel's rule can also be used to counter creationist arguments in which often the hidden and non-provable presumption is suggested, that human intelligent planning is in general superior to trial and error strategies used by evolution.

The same principle has been given as an analogy to software developed in an evolutionary sense by group collaboration, as opposed to software built to a pre-ordained design that was created without reference to previous implementation. Although, the development is not claimed to be of the same random nature as is by evolutionary genetics.

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deCypher said:

The Russian nesting dolls of ignorance?

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