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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: ]
    #1166027 - 12/23/02 11:12 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

We should all communicate through Pictionary(tm). It would be highly effecient.

To me verbal language has become basically 'mechanical'. Like everyday communication I mean... The only use it seems to have is to get things done. Like with performing group tasks and shit. When people do use it just to 'talk', it all seems like meaningless small talk just to convey some sense of false caring or whatever. Or it's like "I have to be a good little american now and talk to my neighbor"

I don't know if it's my imagination or not but I just don't see people thinking behind their words. In any case they are just displaying their conversational skills, or trying to get with a chick.

It's like some acceptance thing too, if you don't talk 'this' way, so we can all understand you, then you're different.

It's a rare occurance where I'll see someone speak from the heart, like say how they really feel about something. But even when it is about something they feel, it's like theyre just remembering how they felt about it in the past and giving you aged words that only meant something at another time or place.

I like to remain totally silent until I feel I have something worthwhile to say, whether it be to joke around to ligthen someone's mood, express my honest opinion that I feel at that moment, suggest something fun to do, or spit out my thoughts to my bandmembers on how we could set up a really trippy part for a song, or some sort of wacky stage prop idea. Oh yea, small talk with a hot chick always seems worthwhile to me too...

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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: ]
    #1166061 - 12/24/02 12:30 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

For the record, I have little respect for any philosophy that leads people to suicide, existentialism included.

Nor do i Mr. Shrooms, nor do i. For whatever reason, after what was at LEAST a Maslowian "Peak experience" in 74 i descended to a very low ebb indeed, with LP & existential writers making up the bulk of my reading material back in 75....it was a VERY bleak period of my life :frown: 


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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1166114 - 12/24/02 01:32 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

i'm assuming this guy can read opinions and ideas without taking them to heart. i know the logical positivists focused on the area he was interested in and i just thought he'd like to know the ideas that were put forward. i don't see any harm in seeing what someone else has to say on the subject.,


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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: mikey_]
    #1166122 - 12/24/02 01:36 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Personally Mikey, i don't think any philosophy/system of thought is in and of itself is going to push someone over the edge..IMO there probably are pre-existing issues with the person to begin with, and perhaps(conciously or subconciously) they are looking for a philosophy to justify, perhaps even(falsely, imo) ignoble the act of suicide.... 

*edit Still, as noted by Mr. Shrooms, the existentialist school of thought seems to have a higher than average percapita of people pulling the plug on life prematurely.

Of course Mr. Shrooms said no such thing and i stand corrected, even if only by myself :grin:


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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1166164 - 12/24/02 02:04 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I have often thought abut this topic, my self being a trilingual I realize that language is a very funny thing, some languages can describe things or concepts perfectly and other not, and vice versa.
I wonder if one were to know all languages of man if we would have a clear picture of reality?


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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: LOBO]
    #1166403 - 12/24/02 04:04 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

It is interesting that most humans remember very little before age 3, which is roughly when infants start to really use language in a conceptual sense.

I believe that we still have memories before that but can no longer access them because they are not stored as language.


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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: LOBO]
    #1166454 - 12/24/02 04:21 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if one were to know all languages of man if we would have a clear picture of reality?

Of course i can only speculate there Lobo, but it seems to me with all the slight/subtle deliniations/nuances of any given phrase or word as it crosses over into the spectrum of another language that it would only obfuscate(:grin:) reality as opposed to crytalizing it......however already being trilingual you would undoubtably have a much better idea of the possibility/probability of this than i..... 


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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: Revelation]
    #1166552 - 12/24/02 05:09 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: Revelation]
    #1167410 - 12/24/02 09:42 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I don't feel language limits the imagination but it does limit the ability to pass these imaginings to the external world (or somebody else's internal world..), naturally.


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Re: Does language limit our imagination? [Re: Revelation]
    #1167452 - 12/24/02 09:54 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

in my opinion yes. you should read 1984, the book is kinda about that and talks about how words can control people. even hitler destroyed words to limit how the people thought and control how they thought.


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