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Atheism
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I stumbled upon these two articles and was very inclined to share.

I was raised Mormon and I'm now not atheist, but I don't believe in God. I suppose my opinion doesn't matter. I am religious to an extent though. I believe in humanity and that we are a remarkable species and the entire universe is not just random happenings. I believe there's a purpose, I just don't know exactly what the purpose is and I guess my religion is to find out the truth.

But here's the articles for discussion (for reasons of keeping orderly I will put up the links.):

Atheist billboards to debut during Holidays.

Atheists see bigger picture?


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Re: Atheism [Re: mathewww]
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nobody has the answer or at least not the answer for everyone else.


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[quote]skalthren said:
It's nice of you to imply that I've been brainwashed by the government, but the truth is that I'm simply intelligent enough to recognize the subtleties of these issues instead of going "durr hurr, weed should totally be legal!"[/quote]

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Re: Atheism [Re: monkeywrench]
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I like the way you put that, albeit short and sweet. No answer unless given proof is definitive. So who really cares?


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Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go on an overnight drunk, and in 10 days I'm going to set out to find the shark that ate my friend and destroy it. Anyone who wants to tag along is more than welcome.

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Re: Atheism [Re: mathewww]
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mathewww said:
I'm now not atheist, but I don't believe in God.


im not 100% sure but i think that not believing in God would make you an atheist...:confused:


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http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net

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Re: Atheism [Re: LayYouIn]
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No, an atheist KNOWS there is no God.  A-Theist = Without God

An agnostic, such as myself, may also not necessarily believe there is evidence of a God while accepting the fact that he cannot prove the non-existence.  A-Gnostic = Without Knowledge.

So you can not believe in God and not be an atheist.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Atheism [Re: Madtowntripper]
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What do you guy's think of a higher power? God? Deity? Atheism?


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Re: Atheism [Re: Madtowntripper]
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
atheism
Quote:
2 a: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist
atheist

Quote:
one who believes that there is no deity



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"I am the Highest Power the leader of the pack"

Actiavte My Dream Sequence Machine

GOD of the hologram earth

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Re: Atheism [Re: mathewww]
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im just glad someone is starting to combat all of the stupid fucking religious billboards.


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Re: Atheism [Re: Madtowntripper]
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athiest are just as presumptive as the "faithful"..  I trust the judgement of an athiest more but still.


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[quote]skalthren said:
It's nice of you to imply that I've been brainwashed by the government, but the truth is that I'm simply intelligent enough to recognize the subtleties of these issues instead of going "durr hurr, weed should totally be legal!"[/quote]

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Re: Atheism [Re: mathewww]
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I treat atheists the same way I treat religious zealots.  Neither stance makes much sense to me.

I am very interested in the seeming innate desire for religious belief in humans.  Every culture we have a historical record of has had a religious belief system, no matter how isolated from other groups.  This is very strange to me.  I'm a scientist, so to me the independent popping up of a trait in various groups that could not have contact with each other speaks to some common seeking of this kind of experience.

I've heard it postulated that religious belief is a kind of societal-grouping mechanism of evolution, in which our willingness to form groups based on a shared mythology is responsible for an increased survival rate, and hence an increased contribution to the genetic pool, by the groups or peoples who inherit such a trait.

Very very interesting stuff.

But I myself am not religious at all, despite doing a great deal of independent study on the world's religions.  I'm fascinated by the subject.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Atheism [Re: mathewww]
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I don't believe in God. I don't think we were put on this planet for any special reason. I do believe in hauntings and shit though.


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Re: Atheism [Re: Chairman Meow]
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I don't consider myself an athiest though. I prefer no label.


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Re: Atheism [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Like Dawkins said, being 100% agnostic about God is like being agnostic about the existence of an invisible pink unicorn--although technically a valid stance as either side cannot be proven, it's absolutely absurd to hold it as some evidence will favor a particular side over the other.

I'm a pragmatic atheist in that my model of reality doesn't need vague notions of metaphysical beings outside of space/time.


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Re: Atheism [Re: UnholyChild666]
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UnholyChild666 said:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
atheism
Quote:
2 a: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist
atheist

Quote:
one who believes that there is no deity




The second definition is the one I was referring to.  The doctrine that there is no deity.  This is the core difference between atheism and agnosticism.  The former states conclusively that there is no god.  The latter says the jury is still out.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Atheism [Re: mathewww]
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i cant even fathom being raised a moron..mormon.


i would have killed myself many times over.


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What Would Dexter Do?

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Re: Atheism [Re: Madtowntripper]
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It's one thing to read mythology and say "That was a good read. I liked it. It was interesting." It's an entirely different thing to read mythology and throw years of biology out of the window because you just desire to believe something. I can desire to believe in the FSM because of the stories I've read about his noodly appendages. But that's childish, and ill thought out when there are basic principles that show me what's what.

/irk


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Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go on an overnight drunk, and in 10 days I'm going to set out to find the shark that ate my friend and destroy it. Anyone who wants to tag along is more than welcome.

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Re: Atheism [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said:
UnholyChild666 said:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
atheism
Quote:
2 a: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist
atheist

Quote:
one who believes that there is no deity




The second definition is the one I was referring to.  The doctrine that there is no deity.  This is the core difference between atheism and agnosticism.  The former states conclusively that there is no god.  The latter says the jury is still out.


Yeah truth is when someone says god they are referring to something specific you can not believe in god and still be spiritual or believe in a deity just not call it god.


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"I am the Highest Power the leader of the pack"

Actiavte My Dream Sequence Machine

GOD of the hologram earth

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Re: Atheism [Re: usefulidiot13]
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usefulidiot13 said:
i cant even fathom being raised a moron..mormon.


i would have killed myself many times over.


You know, in a sense, I have died many times over. My parents don't look at me the same as they did when I was  a child.


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Re: Atheism [Re: mathewww]
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mathewww said:
usefulidiot13 said:
i cant even fathom being raised a moron..mormon.


i would have killed myself many times over.


You know, in a sense, I have died many times over. My parents don't look at me the same as they did when I was  a child.


how many wives does your dad have?


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"I am the Highest Power the leader of the pack"

Actiavte My Dream Sequence Machine

GOD of the hologram earth

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Re: Atheism [Re: thekwazz]
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thekwazz said:
It's one thing to read mythology and say "That was a good read. I liked it. It was interesting." It's an entirely different thing to read mythology and throw years of biology out of the window because you just desire to believe something. I can desire to believe in the FSM because of the stories I've read about his noodly appendages. But that's childish, and ill thought out when there are basic principles that show me what's what.

/irk


No doubt.  But doesn't it seem interesting to you that so many people are so easily able to suspend their rational disbelief?  I mean, it's not that these people are stupid.  I deal with many P.h.D's all the time, people who I feel are definitely more intelligent than myself.  Many of them I know to be deeply religious.

These aren't your Christian reactionaries.  These are are hard-core scientists who both belief the Earth is 4.6 Billion years old and that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead.

It's hard to reconcile...


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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