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Atheist or Theist? Choose!
    #7590651 - 11/03/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Some questions are pretty simple: Do you believe in a God/Divine Power (Theism) or do you believe there is none? (Atheism) ?

Narrow your opinion down to either of the two for the vote, and then afterwards lets debate it in all its complexities.

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Do you believe in a Divine Power?
You may choose only one


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7590659 - 11/03/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

nope, i dont belive in god for a second, i belive in logic and math


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7590665 - 11/03/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i don't believe in anything, but i think that either could be possible


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: demiu5]
    #7590671 - 11/03/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm wih you, I don't believe in anything at all and avoid this question and topic at all costs.... Besides clicking and venting on the shroomery.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: demiu5]
    #7590680 - 11/03/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in god, it takes less faith for me to believe a divine entity created the universe than an accident. Do I care what limitations any relgion tries place on me? FUCK NO


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7590682 - 11/03/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am agnostic. But really...I am God.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: aDoS]
    #7590694 - 11/03/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

wheres the i worship noise option


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: notapillow]
    #7590702 - 11/03/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

according to the big bang theory the universe came to be from a point of infinite mass.

wtf

how did that shit explode? who lit the fuse?


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: pong]
    #7590706 - 11/03/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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pong said:
according to the big bang theory the universe came to be from  a point of infinite mass. 

wtf

how did that shit explode?  who lit the fuse?




I did! :poopbanana:


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: pong]
    #7590708 - 11/03/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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pong said:
according to the big bang theory the universe came to be from  a point of infinite mass. 

wtf

how did that shit explode?  who lit the fuse?



fractals light there own fuses :wink:


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: pong]
    #7590849 - 11/03/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't really think when my heart stops it's all over, but other than that I don't really understand this type of question, it's too vast.

I don't have time to worry about such matters, they are much larger than I.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: demiu5]
    #7590856 - 11/03/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

demius said:
i don't believe in anything, but i think that either could be possible




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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Adom]
    #7591044 - 11/03/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Adom said:
I don't really think when my heart stops it's all over, but other than that I don't really understand this type of question, it's too vast.

I don't have time to worry about such matters, they are much larger than I.




id say the question is pretty easy to comprehend since one is either an atheist or not

agnostics are not the same but very similar as both are nonreligious


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Atheist]
    #7591063 - 11/03/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So, I believe I admitted it then. I believe there's more to the story than man knows so I believe in something more. I'm one of those believers, I guess.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Adom]
    #7591068 - 11/03/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't believe in stuff I don't have evidence for. Asking anyone to do that is a fools errand.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: shamantra]
    #7591141 - 11/03/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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shamantra said:
nope, i dont belive in god for a second, i belive in logic and math




is it really logical that the universe exists at all? Is always existing logical or is something from nothing logical?

Agnostic FTW! I don't know because I can't know.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7591162 - 11/03/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing about the world (in my observation) suggests the presence of an absolute power comprehensible to man.

No benevolence, no malevolence, just cause and effect on a level almost entirely outside of understanding, to the point where as far as we're concerned, it's chaos.


Edit: and forget agnositicism. If God exists, He is unknowable and therefore irrelevant.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: pong]
    #7591209 - 11/03/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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pong said:
according to the big bang theory the universe came to be from a point of infinite mass.

wtf

how did that shit explode? who lit the fuse?




The big bang theory is retarded. Why don't all the planets spin in the the same direction? If a few kids hang on to a merry go round and it spins at really high speeds and they all fly off, they will all spin in the same direction.

If we allow the possibility the universe is infinite why can't we allow the possibility it's eternal as well? Scientists estimate the age of the universe to be between 10 - 20 billions of years old but space could also be in constant expansion meaning WHERE we measure the age of the earth could be a different age than its central location. If the universe is infinite than space is conceivably god/divine presence.

Either way I just can't see god being an intelligent one. Ask yourself if you were god would you make things the way they are?


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Isaac]
    #7591219 - 11/03/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The big bang theory is retarded. Why don't all the planets spin in the the same direction? If a few kids hang on to a merry go round and it spins at really high speeds and they all fly off, they will all spin in the same direction.




If two objects are spinning in the same direction and they hit each other the objects will slow down. If this keeps happenning the object will eventually be hit so many times that it stops spinning and reverses direction.

Try it on the breakfast table with oranges.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7591233 - 11/03/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i cannot process this duality. i don't think black and white like that.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Isaac]
    #7591234 - 11/03/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

if i was god i would probably be busy making stars explode and sneezing organic space molecules onto susceptible planets.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: pong]
    #7591285 - 11/03/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Atheist or theist?

they are both heists of the mind.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: sleepy]
    #7591290 - 11/03/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ztheist.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7591344 - 11/03/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

a member on here once said that all the suffering on this planet PROVES god is not real

or atleast doesnt give a fuck about us


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Atheist]
    #7591354 - 11/03/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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id say the question is pretty easy to comprehend since one is either an atheist or not

agnostics are not the same but very similar as both are nonreligious


Agnostic is about as far from atheist as you can get. One ideology is belief that one knows what the true reality is, the other is belief that one cannot or does not know what the true reality is. Those are complete opposites.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: TODAY]
    #7591360 - 11/03/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Isaac said:
The big bang theory is retarded. Why don't all the planets spin in the the same direction? If a few kids hang on to a merry go round and it spins at really high speeds and they all fly off, they will all spin in the same direction.




If two objects are spinning in the same direction and they hit each other the objects will slow down. If this keeps happenning the object will eventually be hit so many times that it stops spinning and reverses direction.

Try it on the breakfast table with oranges.




Interesting point....


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Atheist]
    #7591364 - 11/03/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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a member on here once said that all the suffering on this planet PROVES god is not real

or atleast doesnt give a fuck about us




god may be good, and devil may be evil,

but that again proves nothing.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
    #7591365 - 11/03/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Atheist said:

id say the question is pretty easy to comprehend since one is either an atheist or not

agnostics are not the same but very similar as both are nonreligious


Agnostic is about as far from atheist as you can get.




WOW! I have to completely disagre.... See monotheism for further proof


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
    #7591368 - 11/03/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've come up with logical explanations of many 'miracles' and tend to not believe in things that are constructions of the human mind (i.e. religion). Everything is debatable, bu I refuse to believe in an all knowing, all powerful hypocrite.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7591370 - 11/03/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Should have an agnostic option.

What that means to me is that I do not believe in a higher power, but I am open to the possibility.

To me, an Atheist is an even more conceited person than a religious nut. Its one thing to say that you believe in God, even though there is absolutely no evidence that he exists. Its another to say that you KNOW that there is no God/Gods. You cannot, by definition, have proof of this.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7591376 - 11/03/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Atheist said:
a member on here once said that all the suffering on this planet PROVES god is not real

or atleast doesnt give a fuck about us




god may be good, and devil may be evil,

but that again proves nothing.




We can't PROVE anything about god but we can pretty much say an ALL KNOWING being doesn't exist or is an asshole. Lol an all knowing omnipotent being could stop useless suffering at the snap of his fingers but he doesn't because likely he's either not there.



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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7591385 - 11/03/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Should have an agnostic option.

What that means to me is that I do not believe in a higher power, but I am open to the possibility.

To me, an Atheist is an even more conceited person than a religious nut. Its one thing to say that you believe in God, even though there is absolutely no evidence that he exists. Its another to say that you KNOW that there is no God/Gods. You cannot, by definition, have proof of this.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.




I'm atheist and I don't claim to KNOW for sure if there is or isn't a god, I'm open to the idea of a divine presence or a godlike being but in my OPINION there has been a lack of evidence for either so I assume from the evidence given one doesn't exist. That doesn't mean just because I don't think there's a god that I'm not open to the idea of one.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Isaac]
    #7591386 - 11/03/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Isaac said:
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AlteredAgain said:
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Atheist said:
a member on here once said that all the suffering on this planet PROVES god is not real

or atleast doesnt give a fuck about us




god may be good, and devil may be evil,

but that again proves nothing.




We can't PROVE anything about god but we can pretty much say an ALL KNOWING being doesn't exist or is an asshole. Lol an all knowing omnipotent being could stop useless suffering at the snap of his fingers but he doesn't because likely he's either not there or a dick.

He could atleast stop useless




this can be true under the assumption that god is omnipotent and can willfully control every facet of existence.

the idea of a creator might as well be a human personification of an unfolding process that has little to nothing to do with imposing any sort of will onto the world.

food for thought.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7591395 - 11/03/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Isaac said:
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AlteredAgain said:
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Atheist said:
a member on here once said that all the suffering on this planet PROVES god is not real

or atleast doesnt give a fuck about us




god may be good, and devil may be evil,

but that again proves nothing.




We can't PROVE anything about god but we can pretty much say an ALL KNOWING being doesn't exist or is an asshole. Lol an all knowing omnipotent being could stop useless suffering at the snap of his fingers but he doesn't because likely he's either not there or a dick.

He could atleast stop useless




this can be true under the assumption that god is omnipotent and can willfully control every facet of existence.

a creator might as well be a personification of an unfolding process that has little to nothing to do with imposing any sort of will onto the world.




by that definition god could have limited powers or could be a poetic expression of just about anything... neither of which we are even close to proving but with a large majority of people believing in an omnipotent being atheism sure looks like the more logical answer


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Isaac]
    #7591407 - 11/03/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

theism and athiesm are two polar opposite belief systems that come to opposite conclusions based on zero evidence IMO.

i strive to find a balance by directly experiencing my world and keeping its horizons open ended.

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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7591446 - 11/03/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm open to the idea of god, I only consider myself atheist in the sense that there is no intelligent creator.

I'm addicted to reading up on buddhism, toaism, and confucianism.



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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Isaac]
    #7591469 - 11/03/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm open to the idea of god, I only consider myself atheist in the sense that there is no intelligent creator.

I've addicted to reading up on buddhism, toaism, and confucianism.





It sounds to me that you're more Agnostic than Atheist.

A-gnostic = without knowledge.

Meaning that you dont know.

A-Theist = without god.

Implying that you KNOW.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7591484 - 11/03/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Isaac said:
I'm open to the idea of god, I only consider myself atheist in the sense that there is no intelligent creator.

I've addicted to reading up on buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism.





It sounds to me that you're more Agnostic than Atheist.

A-gnostic = without knowledge.

Meaning that you dont know.

A-Theist = without god.

Implying that you KNOW.




We'll I don't believe in god but I am open to the idea of one.

I don't claim to know, nobody KNOWS... its just my opinion. My opinion makes me atheist but my uncertainty reveals that I don't KNOW.

Doesn't that make me a little of both?


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7591495 - 11/03/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

False Choice?


I expect more from \ a giant gay wiccan Priest. You should get back on opiates and set things straight.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Isaac]
    #7591628 - 11/03/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm open to the idea of god, I only consider myself atheist in the sense that there is no intelligent creator.

I've addicted to reading up on buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism.





It sounds to me that you're more Agnostic than Atheist.

A-gnostic = without knowledge.

Meaning that you dont know.

A-Theist = without god.

Implying that you KNOW.




We'll I don't believe in god but I am open to the idea of one.

I don't claim to know, nobody KNOWS... its just my opinion. My opinion makes me atheist but my uncertainty reveals that I don't KNOW.

Doesn't that make me a little of both?




nobody ever says they KNOW, its just by using logic we'v concluded god/gods dont exist


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7591647 - 11/03/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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a giant gay wiccan Priest. You should get back on opiates and set things straight.




OTD = Obtuse Thought Disorder?

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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7591662 - 11/03/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Atheist]
    #7591672 - 11/03/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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wicca is so fake





Aww you're just flaunting your new username SpicyTunaRoll :smile:


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7591690 - 11/03/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yes, yes i am :lol:


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7591720 - 11/03/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i honestly dunno what to think, i go back and forth all the time, but by being forced to choose i chose atheist. the reason behind it being because of my life and how it is... feeling raped and innocent and no need for all the pain. and it hurt a lot just to say that. but at this very moment i feel good.

i forget the rest of what i was going to say :shrug:


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Locus]
    #7591765 - 11/03/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't believe in God, but of course I can't know for sure whether or not he/she/it exists. I still call myself an atheist, though.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Locus]
    #7591875 - 11/03/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly, that's how I am too. I never have a concrete belief in a god, but I do see an everpresent/superpower relation in nature.

I'd have to say that my god is chaos and my faith is reason, organization within chaos.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Redstorm]
    #7592035 - 11/03/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't believe in God, but of course I can't know for sure whether or not he/she/it exists. I still call myself an atheist, though.


Why? Thats not the definition of the word. Unless you use a different definition of atheist?

I think some people confuse atheist with non-christian or non-religious. In my mind those are clearly not the same thing.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
    #7592127 - 11/03/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I guess some people don't know what Agnostic is.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
    #7592159 - 11/03/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

>_< I can't choose! I refuse.

I'm hopeful for a higher power, but when it comes down to it, I know so little about this universe that I can't be sure about any of it.

Thinking too hard about this puts me in an existential mind fuck which tends to depress me.

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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7592214 - 11/03/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

But I\'m a Secular Humanist, I feel my faith has been
discriminated against and exclude by Harry Potter Here, lol.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
    #7592251 - 11/03/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said::thumbup:
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Redstorm said:
I don't believe in God, but of course I can't know for sure whether or not he/she/it exists. I still call myself an atheist, though.


  Why?  Thats not the definition of the word.  Unless you use a different definition of atheist?

I think some people confuse atheist with non-christian or non-religious.  In my mind those are clearly not the same thing.





:thumbup:
Yeah, I get so frustrated w/ religous debates, something i marginally enjoy at times, for this reason.  Half the time you get to a point where you realize the other person is using a curious definition of atheism, religion, or god.  In a debate, one premise that must be agreed upon is language, use a dictionary, yo.

but yeah, I think it takes more faith to believe in atheism than theism.  It is hard to imagine that time is finite, that the universe once wasn't, that matter/energy always was and was created by nothing.

Its hard to believe that evolution and spontaneous life / kingdoms were created out of sterile environs or disimilar ancestors.

And people who claim to know that their isn't a god seem as ignorant to me as those who they typically rail against, fundamental christians


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: johnm214]
    #7592329 - 11/03/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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And people who claim to know that their isn't a god seem as ignorant to me as those who they typically rail against, fundamental christians




It's not the fact of there being a possibility that a "God" exists,
but the fact that "Gods" existence has never been proven in the first
place. And what is it that has not been proven: "Theory," which precisely sums up what this "God" Chap is.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
    #7592453 - 11/03/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I know exactly what atheist and agnostic means, but it's easier to just tell someone that I'm atheist than to explain to them that I'm agnostic and then have to define to them what it means.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Redstorm]
    #7592460 - 11/03/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

it's pretty easy to tell somebody what agnostic means, if they don't already know. "there is no evidence for or against a god so i make no claims regarding the existence or inexistence of a god."


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7592667 - 11/03/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I usually think of myself as theist, but the more I think about it, the more I think of God as an impersonal force that can be tapped into rather than a personal entity. I do believe in(and frequently work with) spiritual beings such as angels, devas, and ascended masters, but I don't have much personal experience with "God" in the singular, personal sense. So in some sense, I might be considered a polytheist.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: TODAY]
    #7592726 - 11/03/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

OK, So I went to a Christian school in Oklahoma, went to church every Sunday and Wednesday, and I NEVER believed in God in ANY form. When I was young, I would tell people I did because where I come from you just don't not believe in God. It is unacceptable. Soon enough I dropped the act and began an all out crusade to destroy all religion because I thought it was just stupid. In my eyes, religion was ruining my planet, and all of its creatures. I eventually became more tolerant of religion and other peoples beliefs. I stopped arguing with people and just smiled and nodded. After all, who was I to say they were wrong? Well, now I'm back to my old ways and I have to say, who am I? I'm a person of at least average intelligence, thats who. I mean seriously, what the hell people? Shouldn't we be past this crap by now? People right now are thinking I'm arrogant for thinking I know so much about the universe. People who believe in ridiculous religions are far more arrogant than me. I can at least say I don't know, I may never know, but I will keep looking. Religion uses words like "faith" to tell people they don't have to actually think about things. Almost every organized religion has its own version of "faith", (Buddhism is by far the least stupid of the major religions, but thats like saying your the smartest retard. So what? Your still retarded.) Religious people always try to convert me and the conversation is always something along the lines of this:
Moron: Can you explain where the universe and everything in it came from?
Me: No.
Moron: Well I can, you see it is all written in this book. (Hands me Bible, Koran, Book of Mormon, Whatever.) This book is the written word of God, blah, blah. Science can never explain anything because it is made by man, and therefore inherently (thinks I'm impressed by his semi-big words)flawed, the scripture is the one true law, because it is the word of God, it is perfect. All the questions science can't answer are in here.
Me: ....
You see, the basic logic behind most religious arguments is that science can't explain why something is, so the only other possibility is whatever religion they are currently shoveling in your face at the moment. Kinda like the Evolution Vs. Creationism argument. Because Evolution cant explain everything, it must be God. The entire argument is rotten at its core. The idea is once again, if you can't explain what it is, the only possible answer is God. Besides, evolution IS the answer. The whole thing that started the Creationism movement was the idea life is to complex to have evolved into what it is today. The guy who started the whole mess showed a kind of bacteria that could not work without all of its hundreds of parts, so it would have had to evolve all of those hundreds of parts at the same time or it would not have survived, so it must be god right? The only problem is it was complete bullshit. Many scientists studied it and said it could easily function with about half the parts it had, just not as efficiently as it does now that its more evolved. Now that that is out the window, they just keep finding more complex lifeforms and presenting them as "Proof" of God. Science simply does not have time for this shit. Is Evolution real? Y E S. Get over it already. There is no MISSING LINK! There are hundreds of "LINKS". Go to the Smithsonian website and look it up. There are fossils of thousands of "Pre-Humans". Do you want one from every single generation before you decide its true? Oh, and also, the "Big Bang" is not a theory of where the universe began, it is a theory of a "Cycle" the universe goes through. Who lit the fuse? Really? Critical mass lit it.
P.S. I would like to apologize ahead of time to all the people who hate me for this post. I do not believe in telling my viewpoint in a censored way, and I don't like to listen to censored viewpoints. I think its a waste of time to not say what you mean. (If you don't believe me, look at all the bullshit metaphors politicians spit at you that don't really MEAN anything.) I really do believe that religion is the highest form of stupid. This is how I feel, if you disagree, good, tell me so, but don't censor yourself, you'll only piss me off.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7592727 - 11/03/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, and I love you all.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Isaac]
    #7592774 - 11/03/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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a member on here once said that all the suffering on this planet PROVES god is not real

or atleast doesnt give a fuck about us




god may be good, and devil may be evil,

but that again proves nothing.




We can't PROVE anything about god but we can pretty much say an ALL KNOWING being doesn't exist or is an asshole. Lol an all knowing omnipotent being could stop useless suffering at the snap of his fingers but he doesn't because likely he's either not there.






No offense but this is a retarded argument. Haven't you guys heard of yin and yang? In order for light to exist, there has to be dark; in order for good to exist, there has to be evil; in order for pleasure to exist, there has to be pain. It's really not even that complex a concept. What you're saying is that if there was a God then we should have a perfect utopian global society and it just doesn't work that way.

Of all the posts I've read I'd have to say that my beliefs are probably closest to Silversoul. I believe that some type of God exists but I don't see God as being a humanlike entity so much as just a kind of universal force. Quite frankly, I was surprised to see that so far 2/3 of the people that voted are atheists. I guess I just don't understand. What does it hurt to make up your mind that there is something greater? I have no evidence of God per se and therefore my faith is blind. Largely, I believe out of fear. Maybe that's the wrong reason. All I know is that I want to live my life trying to be the best person I can be in hopes that, if there is a God, I can interact with Him/It in the afterlife.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7592809 - 11/03/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think anyone is gonna hate you for that post Muffin. It was a good post. You said what was on your mind.

Besides, I don't think anyone on here is much in favor of organized religion. It's just that some of us believe in God and some don't.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7592816 - 11/03/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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What does it hurt to make up your mind that there is something greater? I have no evidence of God per se and therefore my faith is blind. Largely, I believe out of fear. Maybe that's the wrong reason. All I know is that I want to live my life trying to be the best person I can be in hopes that, if there is a God, I can interact with Him/It in the afterlife.



I gotta say I'm kinda weirded out by this. I don't understand how someone can "Believe" in something just by making up their mind to do so. If I want to believe in the tooth fairy, no matter how hard I try, I just can't do it. its to absurd. Living your life to be the best person you can should be on everyones list, not because they are scared of going to a bad place when they die, but because its kinda shitty to be mean. My views on the whole "Blind Faith" thing are already addressed in my above post.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7592822 - 11/03/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wait? What happened to Snuffleupagus!? He was my favorite!


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7592830 - 11/03/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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What does it hurt to make up your mind that there is something greater? I have no evidence of God per se and therefore my faith is blind. Largely, I believe out of fear. Maybe that's the wrong reason. All I know is that I want to live my life trying to be the best person I can be in hopes that, if there is a God, I can interact with Him/It in the afterlife.



I gotta say I'm kinda weirded out by this. I don't understand how someone can "Believe" in something just by making up their mind to do so. If I want to believe in the tooth fairy, no matter how hard I try, I just can't do it. its to absurd. Living your life to be the best person you can should be on everyones list, not because they are scared of going to a bad place when they die, but because its kinda shitty to be mean. My views on the whole "Blind Faith" thing are already addressed in my above post.




Okay, I guess you do kinda have a point there. I suppose a lot of it is just upbringing.

For that matter, I don't necessarily view faith as an excuse to not think or question things either.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7592838 - 11/03/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There are two types of people in the world, wolves and sheep.
I generally would equate the religious to the sheep, as they
put "faith" in an illogical concept of a higher being.

Personally, I believe the religious to be nothing more
than individuals incapable of coping with reality, it's stresses,
etc. and place the burden of such insecurities on this
imaginary metaphysical chap named "God".

Now the Athiest, Non-Thiest, and Humanist are the Wolves,
with logic as a weapon, only knowledge prevails.

-Put the burden of proof back on religions shoulders,
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7592840 - 11/03/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Wait? What happened to Snuffleupagus!? He was my favorite!




I didn't really murder him. He OD'd on quaaludes.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7592855 - 11/03/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've done that on a drunken night, along with about
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7592863 - 11/03/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

These are my thoughts on the subject, don't think I am presenting this as factual, this is only one possible explanation I have thought about.

if there is a god, he transcends us so greatly that we are not of his concern. He was responsible for the creation of the Universe, maybe, but the fact that we are here and alive are meaningless to him, if a God exists. We will never know the creator of the universe, and maybe should not think of him as The sole creator and God of man kind, but rather some All Powerful sentient being. We need not think of this being, because we will never know it, and it either can't or does not care to communicate with us. It could be said that any religions in existence are only Man's crude explanation of why they exist, and do nothing to explain how the universe began, which far less is known about, as opposed to the creation of the human race, which is supportable through alternate hypotheses in a scientific manner. We will never even begin to understand the complexity of what caused our universe to come into existence, I think it is literally impossible to completely unveil the secrets of the universe. Mortals just are not capable of this.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Xeluc]
    #7592868 - 11/03/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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ShroomyMoney said:
Personally, I believe the religious to be nothing more
than individuals incapable of coping with reality, it's stresses,
etc. and place the burden of such insecurities on this
imaginary metaphysical chap named "God".





Is it just me or are the atheists trash-talking the theists more so than vice versa?


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: ShroomyMoney]
    #7592875 - 11/03/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, I just read my posts and really got an idea of what a douche I can be. I get a little carried away at times. Believe me I know all about upbringing. Nurture is definitely more powerful than nature. It was not a smooth transition from looking at my parents like they were flawless to looking at them like they had no idea what they were talking about. To this day I think they are the only people in the world who don't know I don't believe in God. It would crush them. My mission is still to abolish religion from the Earth, but it breaks my heart to think of taking that away from them. Religion means a lot to people who really believe it.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7592890 - 11/03/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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My mission is still to abolish religion from the Earth




Good luck with that. I'll help if you want.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7592892 - 11/03/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just Abolish It Already!

Everyone, Put Down Your Bible.
Yes, do it right now.
Go fuck a Hooker!
Give in to your human nature.
Religion isn't natural, it's poisonous.

Religion will be the cause of
the end of time, stop believing
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7592899 - 11/03/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Is it just me or are the atheists trash-talking the theists more so than vice versa?



Yeah, we do that. I guess when you don't believe in religion it starts really pissing you off how much it affects you life. I tend to take it out on the nearest believer. Since destroying religion is a totally unachievable goal, I just take pot shots at whoever happens to walk by. I'm a dick I know, but it seems like every time I turn around religion is affecting peoples lives and telling them what to do even if they dont believe in it. Things like that will piss people off.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7592911 - 11/03/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It may also be that the Atheists heavily out number the religious dupes.

Atheism -- there's nobody home upstairs.
37 67%

Theism -- I kick ass for the Lord!
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: ShroomyMoney]
    #7592926 - 11/03/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What does that have to do with your being a dick? :lol:


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7593011 - 11/03/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, where'd you go? I was just kidding. Well... not really but I'm trying to be nice now.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7593025 - 11/03/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I just went to clog up my sink with some WBS...damn it, how do I explain that to my apartment maintenance people?


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7593041 - 11/03/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Muffin said:
I'm a dick I know, but it seems like every time I turn around religion is affecting peoples lives and telling them what to do even if they dont believe in it.  Things like that will piss people off.




You're telling me.  I'm still trying to figure out exactly how someone can be "born" a specific religion, like I was "raised" Catholic.  But religion is something that's based on beliefs so :wtf:


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7593057 - 11/03/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

WBS?


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7593071 - 11/03/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Dunno, best explanation, religious propaganda. The way people speak about religion especially to children is as if no one in the world doesn't believe in God. They do this so kids will not even consider the possibility God isn't there. (I've heard this told to Sunday school teachers more than once.) Anyone got any brainy ideas on how to get WBS out of your sink? I don't think Liquid Plumber is tough enough to dissolve that kind of stuff.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7593073 - 11/03/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wild Bird Seed.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
    #7593078 - 11/03/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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a giant gay wiccan Priest. You should get back on opiates and set things straight.




OTD = Obtuse Thought Disorder?

I haven't been Wiccan for years and I never was addicted to Opiates.




"ex-addict since '02?"

And you're a giant fatty gay. Pretty sure, given how you've posted about it.


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: GnuBobo]
    #7593119 - 11/03/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Dude....
"Frilly Cuffs Extraordinaire" and he's the fatty gay?


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
    #7594223 - 11/04/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'd be curious to see how many, if any, of the atheists from this thread believe in some type of afterlife.



Edited by TDOTupagus (11/05/07 08:37 AM)


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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7594238 - 11/04/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd be curious to see how many, if any, of the atheists from this thread believe in some type of afterlife.



I'd guess very few of them, although Buddhists are technically atheist.


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