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Asante
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: GnuBobo]
#7591647 - 11/03/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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a giant gay wiccan Priest. You should get back on opiates and set things straight.
OTD = Obtuse Thought Disorder?
I haven't been Wiccan for years and I never was addicted to Opiates.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
#7591662 - 11/03/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wicca is so fake
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Asante
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Atheist]
#7591672 - 11/03/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wicca is so fake
Aww you're just flaunting your new username SpicyTunaRoll
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
#7591690 - 11/03/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes, yes i am
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
#7591720 - 11/03/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i honestly dunno what to think, i go back and forth all the time, but by being forced to choose i chose atheist. the reason behind it being because of my life and how it is... feeling raped and innocent and no need for all the pain. and it hurt a lot just to say that. but at this very moment i feel good.
i forget the rest of what i was going to say
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Locus]
#7591765 - 11/03/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't believe in God, but of course I can't know for sure whether or not he/she/it exists. I still call myself an atheist, though.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Locus]
#7591875 - 11/03/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly, that's how I am too. I never have a concrete belief in a god, but I do see an everpresent/superpower relation in nature.
I'd have to say that my god is chaos and my faith is reason, organization within chaos.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Redstorm]
#7592035 - 11/03/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: I don't believe in God, but of course I can't know for sure whether or not he/she/it exists. I still call myself an atheist, though.
Why? Thats not the definition of the word. Unless you use a different definition of atheist?
I think some people confuse atheist with non-christian or non-religious. In my mind those are clearly not the same thing.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
#7592127 - 11/03/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess some people don't know what Agnostic is.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
#7592159 - 11/03/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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>_< I can't choose! I refuse.
I'm hopeful for a higher power, but when it comes down to it, I know so little about this universe that I can't be sure about any of it.
Thinking too hard about this puts me in an existential mind fuck which tends to depress me.
That being said, I'm still hopeful for "something".
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
#7592214 - 11/03/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I\'m a Secular Humanist, I feel my faith has been discriminated against and exclude by Harry Potter Here, lol.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
#7592251 - 11/03/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: I don't believe in God, but of course I can't know for sure whether or not he/she/it exists. I still call myself an atheist, though.
Why? Thats not the definition of the word. Unless you use a different definition of atheist?
I think some people confuse atheist with non-christian or non-religious. In my mind those are clearly not the same thing.
 Yeah, I get so frustrated w/ religous debates, something i marginally enjoy at times, for this reason. Half the time you get to a point where you realize the other person is using a curious definition of atheism, religion, or god. In a debate, one premise that must be agreed upon is language, use a dictionary, yo.
but yeah, I think it takes more faith to believe in atheism than theism. It is hard to imagine that time is finite, that the universe once wasn't, that matter/energy always was and was created by nothing.
Its hard to believe that evolution and spontaneous life / kingdoms were created out of sterile environs or disimilar ancestors.
And people who claim to know that their isn't a god seem as ignorant to me as those who they typically rail against, fundamental christians
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: johnm214]
#7592329 - 11/03/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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And people who claim to know that their isn't a god seem as ignorant to me as those who they typically rail against, fundamental christians
It's not the fact of there being a possibility that a "God" exists, but the fact that "Gods" existence has never been proven in the first place. And what is it that has not been proven: "Theory," which precisely sums up what this "God" Chap is.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: DieCommie]
#7592453 - 11/03/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know exactly what atheist and agnostic means, but it's easier to just tell someone that I'm atheist than to explain to them that I'm agnostic and then have to define to them what it means.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Redstorm]
#7592460 - 11/03/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's pretty easy to tell somebody what agnostic means, if they don't already know. "there is no evidence for or against a god so i make no claims regarding the existence or inexistence of a god."
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Asante]
#7592667 - 11/03/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I usually think of myself as theist, but the more I think about it, the more I think of God as an impersonal force that can be tapped into rather than a personal entity. I do believe in(and frequently work with) spiritual beings such as angels, devas, and ascended masters, but I don't have much personal experience with "God" in the singular, personal sense. So in some sense, I might be considered a polytheist.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: TODAY]
#7592726 - 11/03/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK, So I went to a Christian school in Oklahoma, went to church every Sunday and Wednesday, and I NEVER believed in God in ANY form. When I was young, I would tell people I did because where I come from you just don't not believe in God. It is unacceptable. Soon enough I dropped the act and began an all out crusade to destroy all religion because I thought it was just stupid. In my eyes, religion was ruining my planet, and all of its creatures. I eventually became more tolerant of religion and other peoples beliefs. I stopped arguing with people and just smiled and nodded. After all, who was I to say they were wrong? Well, now I'm back to my old ways and I have to say, who am I? I'm a person of at least average intelligence, thats who. I mean seriously, what the hell people? Shouldn't we be past this crap by now? People right now are thinking I'm arrogant for thinking I know so much about the universe. People who believe in ridiculous religions are far more arrogant than me. I can at least say I don't know, I may never know, but I will keep looking. Religion uses words like "faith" to tell people they don't have to actually think about things. Almost every organized religion has its own version of "faith", (Buddhism is by far the least stupid of the major religions, but thats like saying your the smartest retard. So what? Your still retarded.) Religious people always try to convert me and the conversation is always something along the lines of this: Moron: Can you explain where the universe and everything in it came from? Me: No. Moron: Well I can, you see it is all written in this book. (Hands me Bible, Koran, Book of Mormon, Whatever.) This book is the written word of God, blah, blah. Science can never explain anything because it is made by man, and therefore inherently (thinks I'm impressed by his semi-big words)flawed, the scripture is the one true law, because it is the word of God, it is perfect. All the questions science can't answer are in here. Me: .... You see, the basic logic behind most religious arguments is that science can't explain why something is, so the only other possibility is whatever religion they are currently shoveling in your face at the moment. Kinda like the Evolution Vs. Creationism argument. Because Evolution cant explain everything, it must be God. The entire argument is rotten at its core. The idea is once again, if you can't explain what it is, the only possible answer is God. Besides, evolution IS the answer. The whole thing that started the Creationism movement was the idea life is to complex to have evolved into what it is today. The guy who started the whole mess showed a kind of bacteria that could not work without all of its hundreds of parts, so it would have had to evolve all of those hundreds of parts at the same time or it would not have survived, so it must be god right? The only problem is it was complete bullshit. Many scientists studied it and said it could easily function with about half the parts it had, just not as efficiently as it does now that its more evolved. Now that that is out the window, they just keep finding more complex lifeforms and presenting them as "Proof" of God. Science simply does not have time for this shit. Is Evolution real? Y E S. Get over it already. There is no MISSING LINK! There are hundreds of "LINKS". Go to the Smithsonian website and look it up. There are fossils of thousands of "Pre-Humans". Do you want one from every single generation before you decide its true? Oh, and also, the "Big Bang" is not a theory of where the universe began, it is a theory of a "Cycle" the universe goes through. Who lit the fuse? Really? Critical mass lit it. P.S. I would like to apologize ahead of time to all the people who hate me for this post. I do not believe in telling my viewpoint in a censored way, and I don't like to listen to censored viewpoints. I think its a waste of time to not say what you mean. (If you don't believe me, look at all the bullshit metaphors politicians spit at you that don't really MEAN anything.) I really do believe that religion is the highest form of stupid. This is how I feel, if you disagree, good, tell me so, but don't censor yourself, you'll only piss me off.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
#7592727 - 11/03/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh, and I love you all.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Isaac]
#7592774 - 11/03/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Atheist said: a member on here once said that all the suffering on this planet PROVES god is not real
or atleast doesnt give a fuck about us
god may be good, and devil may be evil,
but that again proves nothing.
We can't PROVE anything about god but we can pretty much say an ALL KNOWING being doesn't exist or is an asshole. Lol an all knowing omnipotent being could stop useless suffering at the snap of his fingers but he doesn't because likely he's either not there.
No offense but this is a retarded argument. Haven't you guys heard of yin and yang? In order for light to exist, there has to be dark; in order for good to exist, there has to be evil; in order for pleasure to exist, there has to be pain. It's really not even that complex a concept. What you're saying is that if there was a God then we should have a perfect utopian global society and it just doesn't work that way.
Of all the posts I've read I'd have to say that my beliefs are probably closest to Silversoul. I believe that some type of God exists but I don't see God as being a humanlike entity so much as just a kind of universal force. Quite frankly, I was surprised to see that so far 2/3 of the people that voted are atheists. I guess I just don't understand. What does it hurt to make up your mind that there is something greater? I have no evidence of God per se and therefore my faith is blind. Largely, I believe out of fear. Maybe that's the wrong reason. All I know is that I want to live my life trying to be the best person I can be in hopes that, if there is a God, I can interact with Him/It in the afterlife.
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Re: Atheist or Theist? Choose! [Re: Muffin]
#7592809 - 11/03/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone is gonna hate you for that post Muffin. It was a good post. You said what was on your mind.
Besides, I don't think anyone on here is much in favor of organized religion. It's just that some of us believe in God and some don't.
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