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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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I didn't read anything but the OP, and all I can say is, wow.  What an absolutely flawed and terribly narrow sighted logic to choose a candidate on.  If you really had any sense of integrity or fortitude, you'd vote for a person based off of their platform, and the shit slinging politics they all take part in would have no impact on that. 

Thanks for reminding me why this country will continue sliding into the shitter.


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
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I don't trust the Democrats because of this.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/06/020696.php

and

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/06/news/economy/birger_shale.fortune/?postversion=2008060614

Also, McCain and Palin both want to produce more oil in North America.  When the new pie in the sky energy sources come out that can replace oil then I will believe it.  Coal to liquids is a good way to produce liquid fuels, but the wackjob Dims are paranoid of coal.

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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Luddite]
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Regardless, coal is a nonrenewable resource, so any research done on it would be short lived at best.  Global warming is dwarfed by the entropy crisis of not having fossil fuels, an inevitability we'll face quite soon. Not that using coal would in any way limit the amount of carbon emissions we produce.


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
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WTF? How did coal enter the discussion?

Oh, Luddite must have posted. Even when I'm ignoring him he still manages to ruin threads.


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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A woman who reminds me of my Mom.  She seems like a decent woman with a lot going for her.  Simply put, she deserved better.  And, like my Mom, Sarah and I don't always see eye to eye, but I respect her.




Wow. Your mom must be really..... interesting.

I think I'd kill myself if my mom reminded me in any way of Sarah Palin. In the most violent way possible. If I had to grow up with a woman that would "counsel" me to have my father's baby at 15, or took me to some crazy christian church, etc.... That would be the end. Your whole life knowing your mother and you not just disagreed, but that she was controlling and viscious in the worst, most passive-aggressive way possible, would be severely painful.

Imagine growing up in a psych ward with Nurse Ratched. Ouch.


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While there is a criminal element, I am of it
While there is a soul in prison, I am not free.

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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: kriminalelement]
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kriminalelement said:

I think I'd kill myself if my mom reminded me in any way of Sarah Palin.

In the most violent way possible.






:sad:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: lonestar2004]
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I love her more and more by the minute.


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: whattheheck]
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check out mccain getting pissed off


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: zouden]
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Sara palin for president!  give her the nuke codes... if she can read.


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Shins]
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this idea that "sara palin is like my mom" or "a nice lady" is NO QUALIFICATION FOR HER TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

She might be nice, but she knows jack all about the issues. THINK ABOUT THIS.  people aren't bashing her "because they are mean." people are baching her because SHE IS UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT.

its like watching paris hilton on The Simple Life.

this is serious business people.  WAKE UP its the presidential election. THIS ISN'T A REALITY SHOW!!!  its YOUR FUTURE

do you want sara palin as your backup president & commander in chief?


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: lonestar2004]
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Lonestar asks:

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Phred or Zappa, have you ever seen the media this much in the tank for one candidate? I have never seen it this bad!



Another example. From http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/025210.php (clickable links to key points at the link)

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N THE TANK? OR DRIVING THE TANK? Michael Graham notes that the Boston Globe continues to peddle the Sarah Palin rape-kit myth, despite the fact that it's been debunked and re-debunked. Graham comments:

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The story is old news in the new media. Left-leaning Slate.com called it “a nasty and untrue rumor.” National Review’s Jim Geraghty, who has written exhaustively on the story calls it “unsupported by the facts.” But at the Obama-Uber-Alles Boston Globe, they call it “news.”

We have come to the point in the media’s treatment of Gov. Sarah Palin where even the fig leaf of pretense is gone. The press has openly chosen sides and has stopped apologizing for it.



Yes. My thoughts on what to do are here.

ANOTHER UPDATE: Kay Hymowitz emails:

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Thought you might be interested to hear that Jon Stewart repeated the rape kit story last night on The Daily Show. It's pretty bad when the Boston Globe spreads untruths, but remember no one trusts them - or reads them - anyway. But when the Daily Show repeats the story, that's another matter. Now the country's entire population of under 30 year olds KNOWS it's true.



Well, yeah. And Stewart should apologize for repeating an obvious falsehood. But how embarrassing is it for the Globe that it's being outranked by Jon Stewart?



Indeed.




Phred


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Phred]
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its just fucking sickening...


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Barack Obama

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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Phred]
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It's not even so much what they do - such as report over and over again already-debunked falsehoods - it's what they don't do. For example, how come none of the media ever ask Palin about any of her accomplishments?

From http://ace.mu.nu/archives/274713.php

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Would seem a rather obvious question, and one they ask Obama. Sure, dig into her beliefs and try to "get" her on specific questions, but, um, shouldn't the candidate also be afforded the chance to speak of her accomplishments?

They deliberately avoid this subject -- Katie Couric, for example, demanded to know if Palin had met with Russian officials or interacted with them in a serious way. (Actually, Palin kinda-sorta had, through trade missions, but whatever.)

What didn't Katie ask? If Palin had conducted negotiations with Canadian officials on a $40 billion international deal to build a pipeline. Why didn't Katie ask? Because she knew the answer was "Yes," and didn't want to afford Palin the chance to say so.

As Beldar notes in this excellent post, Palin may have been in office only 22 months, but in that time she's gotten more done that Joe Biden has in 26 years.

What exactly has Biden done? The only thing I hear people call attention to is getting a violence-against-women act passed. Let's assume that's a good bill.

That's what this guy has? In 26 fucking years he was able to persuade his fellow senators that violence against women is a bad thing?



More at the link.

Ignoring the dig at Biden, it's a very good question. The interviewers seem singularly uninterested in anything Palin has actually done, but they sure are willing to scrutinize in microscopic detail everything she MIGHT do. "Ack! She might repeal Roe v. Wade!"




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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Phred]
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Ignoring the dig at Biden...



I like the dig at Biden though.  He also helped create the office of the Drug Czar, contributing to drug-related violent crime and supporting the incomes of cartels and gans involved in distribution, while disingenuously claiming that he's worked to reduce violence (presumably due to that bill mentioned in your quote)

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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
Phred or Zappa, have you ever seen the media this much in the tank for one candidate? I have never seen it this bad!



No.  Well yes, almost, but there was no affirmative action angle for Kerry.  I also think a big part of it is that the blogosphere grows and grows every year, nay every month and the fucks in the MSM get caught.  It took 50 years to catch Walter Duranty.  Four years ago it took 50 hours to end Gunga Dan's career.  Now it takes 50 minutes.  I can only be dismayed about how these cocksmoking frauds have managed to pollute history and policy for decades before there was any check or balance on them.  I am not amused, I think they should be prosecuted under the RICO act for fraud.
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And Redstorm I'd rather not hear your clueless bullshit about how there is no media bias in the MSM....



That is one of the stupidest beliefs that still gets any play.  Even the crooks themselves don't deny it anymore.  If you don't think crooks is fair you should consider the notion that they have sold billions of dollars worth of media on the premise that they are impartial.  That is a fraud and a criminal enterprise.  They can write anything they want on the op ed page but they have certified for years their impartial bona fides as regards raw news.  And made tons of money on it.  A lie.  A fraud.  Awards and careers.  RICO.  Tar.  Feathers.  Some assembly required.


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Phred]
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Auto-Summary
The author addresses criticism from Obama campaign workers who are now supporting McCain/Palin. They argue that the criticisms are not substantial enough and provide three reasons to support a switch in allegiance. The article also highlights an in-depth analysis of Sarah Palin's accomplishments during her tenure as Alaska Governor, comparing her record to that of Joe Biden, and discussing the "Integrity Gap" between the two presidential candidates.

The originator of this thread is getting some flack for making the journey from someone who was not just going to vote for Obama but was an actual Obama campaign worker, to someone who now intends to vote for McCain/Palin. He's receiving this flack because most of you feel his reasons for making the switch aren't in your opinion substantial enough. Here are some reasons for making the switch you may find to be more substantial:

From http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/fee55fe3-4b40-4db7-b900-b09492f82eb4

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(Guest Post by Bill Dyer a/k/a Beldar)

In considering Sarah Palin's fitness as a vice presidential nominee, it's absolutely crucial to distinguish between mere tenure in office and actual accomplishments while there. In their televised interviews with her, however, Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric have almost completely ignored Gov. Palin's actual record in office. So, too, have most of the old-media sources who've been writing about her. They'd far rather dig through a dumpster or watch videos of a guest pastor from Kenya speaking at a church Gov. Palin has sometimes attended than talk about Gov. Palin's day job as chief executive of the largest state in America.

(There's yet another important aspect to her candidacy that the mainstream media has ignored almost as resolutely, which is her courage and determination in campaigning as an underdog reformer, taking on deeply entrenched and ethically challenged members of her own party in Alaska. Arguably that's her most important accomplishment of all, given how much of a cesspool Washington has become. But let's set that aside for the moment.)

Gov. Palin is now finishing up her second year as Governor of Alaska. Even added to her years as a city councilman and mayor, or her service as chair and ethics officer of the Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission, that is not a very long record. But length is only one dimension. How deep is her record?

The answer to that question is critically important. Joe Biden has been a senator, as Gov. Palin points out, since Gov. Palin was in grade school, so of course he has a long record. With that seniority has come committee chair positions, first on the Senate Judiciary Committee, then on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. But on closer examination, neither as a committee chairman nor a legislator has Slow Joe Biden particularly distinguished himself. His greatest legislative triumph has been in championing revisions to the bankruptcy code that dramatically changed the slope of the playing field to favor his home-state credit card companies in consumer bankruptcy proceedings — an accomplishment much disdained, in fact, by the Hard Left. So what, by contrast, has Gov. Sarah Palin done in her dramatically shorter tenure as a state chief executive?

If you only know three things that Sarah Palin has accomplished as Governor of Alaska, it should be these three:

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Go to the link to see which three Mr. Dyer has in mind.

Then there's this - a truly exhaustive Magnum Opus to play out in three parts. As of now only Part I is up. I'm hoping Part II and Part III will be every bit as informative. From http://baseballcrank.com/archives2/2008/10/politics_the_in_1.php

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POLITICS: The Integrity Gap, Part I of III: Gov. Sarah Palin

I have previously discussed at length the extent to which the public mood has focused on the issue of integrity in this presidential election. If anything, the recent credit crisis has heightened that concern - frankly, the public doesn't understand the crisis and isn't convinced the candidates do, either, but wants reassurance that the next President will be above outside influence in dealing with its aftermath and preventing similar economic crises in the future.

Now, you may not be interested in the integrity issue, or at any rate may be voting primarily on other issues; certainly I have other things much higher on my priority list. But if this is truly an election about who has the independence to bring about change in Washington, this is an issue the campaigns cannot ignore.

One of the most basic ways in which a candidate can demonstrate the integrity voters are looking for is to build a record of standing up to corruption and waste - and doing so even when it appears in his or her own party, or on the part of his or her own allies or backers. This is not just a matter of honesty and prudence, but of toughness and courage. Let me offer a contrast between the two tickets on this issue - an Integrity Gap that Obama simply can't surmount and can only hope to obscure. If you look at the record of the McCain-Palin ticket and compare it to the Obama-Biden record in this regard, it really is no contest. I will start with the junior members of the two tickets. Governor Sarah Palin, in her short career, has fought many battles against her own party's entrenched interests; Senator Barack Obama, in a career of similar length and scope, has consistently looked the other way, and worse. Sen. Obama simply lacks the courage and the record of accomplishment of Gov. Palin. Today I will look at Gov. Palin's record; in Part II I will deal with Sen. Obama. Part III will deal with the senior members of the two tickets, Senator John McCain and Senator Joe Biden.

On the surface, Sarah Palin's career path looks much like Barack Obama's: both spent around a decade laboring in the vineyards of local politics before seeing their careers abruptly go up like a rocket all the way to the center of the national political stage. But look closer, and you will see all the difference in the world in the choices they made to get there.

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Again, in fairness to these bloggers who have to pay for their bandwidth, I'm going to ask you to click and make an actual visit to their site so they can be credited properly. This one is well worth the visit, I assure you. They both are, in fact. I will post links to Part II and Part III as they become available.


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Phred]
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This video might illustrate more clearly the reasons for the original poster's reaction.

At first I thought this might be a Republican dirty trick plant, but after watching it through all the way I don't believe this is the case. I'm pretty sure these guys are for real -



Gee... a whole whap of young African American yoots in quasi-military gear marching into a room, giving some stylized Praetorian (can't say Nazi-esque.... that would be racist) salute, all reciting in unison memorized propaganda points and then spouting off in sequence their own "personalized" paens of possibility to The Chosen One....

...no, that's not disturbing. Not creepy, either. Perfectly normal, in fact.

Uh huh.





Phred


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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After I got a look at some of the Ron Paulites, I said, "No thanks," and walked away.



voting based on the issues is for the birds.

tune in to TMZ for the hottest candidates!


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: afoaf]
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to be honest, i just want whatever president will be more likely to decriminalize and possibly legalize marijuana and mushrooms so that they can be used for treatment of illnesses such as anxiety, and cluster headaches. :smile:

i think that is Obama, as MPP.org (marijuana policy project) supports OBAMA, meaning that he may lean towards legalizing weed as a means of reducing the influx of non-violent marijuana-related prisoners, while simultaneously stimulating the economy.

who ever is going to legalize weed is my guy, and i think Obama is way more likely to do such a thing :smile: hahaha, one can dream right?!


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Re: Why I switched from Obama campaign worker to McCain supporter. [Re: Phred]
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Did no one else watch the video I posted of the Hitler Obama Youth chapter of the B.O.R.G.? (That's Barack Obama Religious Groups)



Am I the only one who finds this disturbing? "Alpha! Omega! Alpha! Omega! Alpha! Omega!" I'm like all creeped out and stuff now.






Phred


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