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Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons
    #1533052 - 05/09/03 02:23 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I mentioned this to my fellow gun lovers last year. Since it is in the New York Times I thought I'd bring it up.

"Irking N.R.A. (and violating his oath), Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons
The New York Times ^ | May 7 | ERIC LICHTBLAU

President Bush and the National Rifle Association, long regarded as staunch
allies, find themselves unlikely adversaries over one of the most significant
pieces of gun-control legislation in the last decade, a ban on semiautomatic
assault weapons.

At issue is a measure to be introduced by Senate Democrats on Thursday to
continue the ban. Groundbreaking 1994 legislation outlawing the sale and
possession of such firearms will expire next year unless Congress extends it,
and many gun-rights groups have made it their top priority to fight it. Even
some advocates of gun control say the prohibition has been largely ineffective
because of its loopholes.

Despite those concerns, the White House says Mr. Bush supports the extension of
the current law — a position that has put him in opposition to the N.R.A. and
left many gun owners angry and dumbfounded.

"This is a president who has been so good on the Second Amendment that it's just
unbelievable to gun owners that he would really sign the ban," said Grover G.
Norquist, a leading conservative and an N.R.A. board member who opposes the
weapons ban. "I don't think it's sunk in for a lot of people yet."

Advocates on both sides of the issue say the White House appears to have made a
bold political calculation: that the risk of alienating a core constituency is
outweighed by appearing independent of the gun lobby, sticking to a campaign
promise and supporting a measure that has broad popular appeal. The president
has claimed the middle road — supporting an extension of the current ban but not
endorsing the stronger measures that gun-control supporters say would outlaw
many "copycat" assault weapons. That position has forced Democrats in the Senate
to reject plans for a more ambitious weapons ban.

Mr. Bush's position "cuts against the N.R.A.'s position," said Michael Franc,
vice president of government relations at the conservative Heritage Foundation,
"and it will put the president — for one of the first times since he signed the
campaign finance reform bill — at odds with his own political base."

"He's built up enough positive political capital in other areas that it won't be
fatal," Mr. Franc added, but the issue could hurt Mr. Bush in Middle America,
considered critical to his re-election chances in 2004.

The assault-weapons issue puts the president in a precarious political spot.
When Mr. Bush was campaigning for president in 2000, a top N.R.A. official
boasted that the group's relationship with Mr. Bush was so "unbelievably
friendly" that the N.R.A. could practically claim a seat at the White House. The
N.R.A. has been a major donor to Mr. Bush, and the gun lobby and the Bush
administration have been in lock step on most major gun issues, including the
current push to limit lawsuits against gun manufacturers. The Justice Department
under Attorney General John Ashcroft has been a particularly close ally of the
gun lobby, pushing an expanded view of gun rights under the Second Amendment and
initiating law enforcement changes sought by the N.R.A.

But White House officials said the assault-weapons ban was one case in which the
president and the N.R.A. did not see eye to eye.

"There are times when we agree and there are times when we disagree," said Scott
McClellan, a White House spokesman. "The president makes decisions based on what
he believes is the right policy for Americans." Mr. McClellan added that the ban
was put in place as a way of deterring crime and that Mr. Bush "felt it was
reasonable."

The White House position has heartened gun-control advocates. Matt Bennett, a
spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety, which supports an extension of the
weapons ban, said, "I think Bush realizes that, number one, this is the right
thing to do, number two, he promised to do this in the 2000 campaign, and number
three, he knows that it's good politics and this is an extremely popular
measure."

The N.R.A. has maintained a polite civility toward the White House, even though
it insists the ban is a violation of the Second Amendment that deprives hunters
and sportsmen of many high-powered rifles.

Chris W. Cox, the N.R.A's chief lobbyist, said in an interview that while the
defeat of the assault-weapons ban would be one of the N.R.A's top priorities,
the group's focus would be on convincing members of Congress to vote against it
so that it never reaches Mr. Bush's desk. "Do we agree with the administration's
position on this? No, we don't, but the real fight is going to be not at that
level, but in Congress," he said.

A bill will be introduced in the Senate on Thursday by Senator Dianne Feinstein,
Democrat of California, and Senator Charles Schumer, Democrat of New York, that
would extend the ban for 10 years in much the same form it exists today. House
Democrats expect to introduce a toughened version of the bill next week. That
version, rejected by Senate Democrats as too politically risky, would
significantly expand the class of banned weapons.

Mr. Schumer said he believed Mr. Bush's support could be critical in what he
predicted would be a hard-fought campaign to renew the assault-weapons measure,
which bans 19 types of firearms and others that meet certain criteria.

"We hope the president will not just say he supports the ban but will work to
get it passed," Mr. Schumer said in an interview. "This will be a good measure
of the compassion in his compassionate conservatism."

Senate Democrats ultimately decided that a stronger version of the ban would not
pass muster with the White House and thus stood little chance of gaining
passage, officials said. As a result, the Senate proposal will not specifically
ban the Bushmaster rifle type that was used in last year's Washington-area
sniper attacks. The House version would, because it includes a broader
definition of an assault rifle, officials said.

"I would like to strengthen the bill" beyond what will be introduced in the
Senate on Thursday, Senator Feinstein said today. "But I don't want to lose the
bill, and important to that is the president's support."

Mr. Schumer said that even with the White House's public support, "I am worried
that the anti-gun-control forces in the administration will conspire to kill
this measure in the dead of night without a vote."

He noted that Mr. Ashcroft gave a noncommittal response two months ago when he
was asked before the Senate several times whether he would support the
reauthorization of the assault-weapons ban.

Mr. Ashcroft said Justice Department studies had found that the ban's impact on
gun violence was "uncertain," and he said more study was needed.

The question of the gun ban's impact over the last nine years will be a crucial
point of debate.

A report due to be released soon by the Violence Policy Center — a liberal
Washington group that supports an expansion of the ban — examined the killings
of 211 law enforcement officers from 1998 to 2001 and found that one in five
were done with assault weapons, often copycat models that did not fall under the
1994 ban.

"Unfortunately, the firearms industry has been very successful at evading the
ban," Kristen Rand, the group's legislative director, said. "Assault weapons
remain a huge public safety problem."

Gun-rights groups insist that the assault-weapons ban has had little or no
impact in fighting crime, and they maintain that their opponents are wrong to
depict high-powered rifles as the weapon of choice for gangs and rampage
killers.

"None of these weapons are used for crimes, and the Democrats know that," Mr.
Norquist said.

For many gun owners, the issue is visceral, and Mr. Bush's stance has made the
debate more emotional.

"There are a lot of gun owners who worked hard to put President Bush in office,
and there are a lot of gun owners who feel betrayed by him," said Angel Shamaya,
an Arizona gun owner who runs a Web site called "keepandbeararms.com.""

Of course the reason the senate Democrats are doing this is because they are desperate to destroy the President. This was a bad move on their part. The ban expires next year and it would have been better to wait until closer to the election and let the President destroy himself.

Man, what are these guys smoking? I can't believe they are that stupid politically.

Cheers,


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1533075 - 05/09/03 02:32 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

That's too bad. I'm sure you could have used a lot of those semi-automatics for hunting and stuff.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: yelimS]
    #1533139 - 05/09/03 02:56 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

No way! I'm not into killing animals. Just take their pictures if you want to hunt.

Them guns is for killin' people!


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1533172 - 05/09/03 03:09 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

And for defending yourself from the government!


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1533196 - 05/09/03 03:12 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This is why Bush didn't get my vote in 2000. He made his position on this clear before he was elected, during his campaign. Since Trent Lott was replaced by that cursed liberal after his little racial comment we have little hope of this being kiled in the senate. Hopefully we will get this killed in committee in the house before it ever gets to Bush's desk for the SOB to sign.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1533289 - 05/09/03 03:31 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

They're trying to disarm america because they're trying to turn us into a fascist police state and the less guns we have to fight back, the more power they have. There's going to be a revolution. We have to overthrow the government before they start implanting microchips into the population to control us. They already put chemicals in the air to control us. They're called chemtrails.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1533367 - 05/09/03 03:50 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'm with Jonny on this one. We once HAD the right to bare arms, but little by little they are taking that right away from us.

Pretty soon the 2nd will be, ...The right to bare limited arms.

I'm not saying fully-automatic machine guns should be available to the general population, but we are talking about SEMI-AUTOMATICs here.

Some people hear semi-automatic, and immediately think it is a god damn machine gun! haha! :shocked:

Hand guns are semi-automatics people... should we ban those too? I can just see it now, some ass is trying to break into my house and before you know it, he is beating me with a baseball bat because im try to load a round into my bolt-action rifle!


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1533408 - 05/09/03 04:04 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

So what if someone were to have had been in the military? Are they immune to this?


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1533424 - 05/09/03 04:08 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What about chemical & biological weapons. Should their possesion be legal too?
Isn't that also a violation of the right to have arms?


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: m0rb]
    #1533973 - 05/09/03 09:58 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty soon the 2nd will be, ...The right to bare limited arms.

eh... it already is. in most major cities, you're not even allowed to carry a gun anymore.

I'm not saying fully-automatic machine guns should be available to the general population, but we are talking about SEMI-AUTOMATICs here.

yep. i read somewhere that assault rifles are responsible for like 2% of the firearms deaths each year. hmm...

Hand guns are semi-automatics people... should we ban those too?

there are alot of naive people out there that will say 'yes'.

I can just see it now, some ass is trying to break into my house and before you know it, he is beating me with a baseball bat because im try to load a round into my bolt-action rifle!

or shoot you with the handgun he picked up off the black market.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1533999 - 05/09/03 10:25 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The issue for me is that the Pro-Gun crowd for the most part voted for Bush. I reminded them when they did that he would renew the Assault Ban in 2004 when it's sunset clause comes up. At least we had a sunset clause.

The ban is silly. My 30 year old .22 rifle holds 14 bullets in its tube. By the definition of the Ban it is an Assault rifle. I used it when I was a boy to shoot the animals I caught in my traps when I was trapping for fur.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534001 - 05/09/03 10:27 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

eh... it already is. in most major cities, you're not even allowed to carry a gun anymore.
:confused: And that's bad? We're not even allowed to carry softguns.

there are alot of naive people out there that will say 'yes'.

And a lot of paranoid people out there who lock themselves into their basements with their semiautomatics to be safe from burglars and rapists. FEAR! FEAR! THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!

I can just see it now, some ass is trying to break into my house and before you know it, he is beating me with a baseball bat because im try to load a round into my bolt-action rifle!

or shoot you with the handgun he picked up off the black market.


Keeping handguns for 'potection'. Doesn't these guns kill more family members than burglars each year? Paranoid teddybears. Keep a bat handy if you can't sleep at night.

I know you guntotters don't like bowling for columbine, but the guy has a point, damnit! More people are killed in the US than any other country, and at the same time, it has the most paranoid population. Guns, except for hunting rifles are very rare here in Norway, I don't even know if we're allowed to have them, and every time there's a murder, it's front page news. We had 49 murders and 68 atempted in 2000, with a population of 4.5 million.


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    #1534006 - 05/09/03 10:29 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534015 - 05/09/03 10:34 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

eh... it already is. in most major cities, you're not even allowed to carry a gun anymore.




That's horrible. Punks can walk around with baseball bats and kill innocent people who can't defend themselves with guns anymore. That makes a walk from your house to a nearby store almost a suicide. :grin:
What about biological weapons?
Consider this scenario. Some ass breaks into my house and my AK-47 jams - I'm dead. But I could at least release my anthrax spores before I die to kill also the intruder.

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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534023 - 05/09/03 10:36 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry, that might have been a little over the line. It's not intended as a flame, I just hate when people think hell is around the corner all the time, and do more harm to protect themselves than what they try to protect themselves for, could have done.
Thanks for asking before you edited it out or banned me or whatever you do :smile: I'll try to be nicer.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: yelimS]
    #1534034 - 05/09/03 10:40 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Bud. :smile:


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: yelimS]
    #1534044 - 05/09/03 10:42 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

And that's bad? We're not even allowed to carry softguns.

yes.

And a lot of paranoid people out there who lock themselves into their basements with their semiautomatics to be safe from burglars and rapists. FEAR! FEAR! THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!

mmmm... try again. a semi-automatic means you can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. this includes virtually all handguns and many rifles. i don't think many people like to lock themselves in the basement, they just like to keep a handgun locked in their nightstand. why shouldn't people have a right to defend themselves? maybe you think it's paranoid. in that case, i suggest that you not buy a gun.

Keeping handguns for 'potection'. Doesn't these guns kill more family members than burglars each year? Paranoid fuckers. Keep a bat handy if you can't sleep at night.

hmm... doesn't they? i'm not sure...

I know you guntotters don't like bowling for columbine, but the guy has a point, damnit! More people are killed in the US than any other country, and at the same time, it has the most paranoid population.

aahhhhhh... theeeeere we go... you're a subscriber to micheal moore's 'bowling for columbine' eh? now it makes sense.

his 'point' ignores the premise that this is caused more by social factors than the availability of guns.

every time there's a murder, it's front page news. We had 49 murders and 68 atempted in 2000, with a population of 4.5 million.

it ain't like that here.

regardless... most people keep assault rifles because they're fun to shoot... at targets, and assault rifles are responsible for about 2% or so of our gun deaths here. it's typically not the sort of weapon one uses in a murder.

it's just a case of the government being afraid to let people have 'military style' arms.

and stupid people who don't know what 'assault rifle' means, but know and fear the word 'assault' support this crap without having any idea what it means.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: zeronio]
    #1534052 - 05/09/03 10:45 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

did i say that people should be allowed to keep anthrax. sorry if i came across like i was trying to imply that there should be no restrictions on weapons. that's not at all what i meant.

i do think however, that aside from places like courthouses, airplanes, and private buildings that don't allow it, a person never convicted of a violent crime should have every right to carry a handgun with them.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534055 - 05/09/03 10:45 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

np. But do you have any comments to anything else I wrote? Because I'm quite curious how you guys defend being paranoid. (Still not a flame, if I admit being terribly naive, I guess it's fair to call others paranoid :wink: )

zeronio: great having more naive europeans in this debate! Take care, don't get killed on the street.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: yelimS]
    #1534067 - 05/09/03 10:52 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Instead of speaking on the argument I will rely on my personal experience.

I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I keep guns in my home to protect myself and my wife. People are killed violently all the time in my town. What would you have my wife do if someone broke in and tried to rape her while I wasn't there to protect her? (there have been plenty of rapes in my town as well)

I am not paranoid, I am just cautious. I also wear a seatbelt for the same reason. It is protection. It's just common sense.

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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: yelimS]
    #1534075 - 05/09/03 10:56 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

let's just say for argument's sake that gun-owners are indeed paranoid and that they really have no need to have a gun for protection.

why should the government get in the way of them buying a gun anyway?

maybe i'm paranoid and i wear a helmet when i'm driving my car. is that any reason in itself for driving with a helmet on to be banned?

no matter how trivial the threat of attack is, why should people not have a right to defend themselves against it if they wish?

it's not as though you're required to pay for their gun. it's not as though the simple act of them owning a gun affects you in any way. (if anything, the more people own guns, the safer you non gun owners are).

think about it... if you're a burgler... what is the one thing you reaaaally hope you don't find when you break into that house? that's right, an armed citizen.

guns, by their very existance, deter crime, they don't cause it. if you've got a problem with murder, perhaps it'd be better to petition the government to stop letting many murderers walk after serving less than 10 years, rather than wishing to do away with the right of peaceful citizens to keep and bear arms.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534079 - 05/09/03 10:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

aahhhhhh... theeeeere we go... you're a subscriber to micheal moore's 'bowling for columbine' eh? now it makes sense.

his 'point' ignores the premise that this is caused more by social factors than the availability of guns.


Social factors exclusive to the US. Ah, I see now. You're the only country with losers and outcasts. Try again.

it ain't like that here.
I know it's not, I'm just trying to point out the connection between overprotection and murders. Here, you don't have to carry a gun to be a criminal. You can steal money without killing anyone. Is that a bad thing?

regardless... most people keep assault rifles because they're fun to shoot... at targets, and assault rifles are responsible for about 2% or so of our gun deaths here. it's typically not the sort of weapon one uses in a murder.

it's just a case of the government being afraid to let people have 'military style' arms.

and stupid people who don't know what 'assault rifle' means, but know and fear the word 'assault' support this crap without having any idea what it means.


What are the other 98% then?
I admit banning all semi-automatics (I do know what that is) might be a bit rash. My point here tough, and I should have said that before, is that you Americans (in general of course) are too concerned about your own rights and supposed safety, but don't seem to think enough about the consequences.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534090 - 05/09/03 11:00 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry about anthrax... I was joking. I know that nobody wants it. :grin:

Quote:

his 'point' (Michael Moore) ignores the premise that this is caused more by social factors than the availability of guns. 


 

That's a bit weird. Have you seen the movie? His point was similar to yours.
He showed that Canadians and others also posses lots of guns but have much less crime. His tried to show that the cause of this is paranoia, not the availability of weapons. At least that's how I understood it. 


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: yelimS]
    #1534094 - 05/09/03 11:01 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

you seem to be a fairly open-minded guy. i've posted this article various times before, so i won't eat up bandwidth by posting it again. i think it's an excellent defense of gun rights, and unlike the works of micheal moore, nothing is fabricated. it's a long one, but a good read. check it out:

The False Promise of Gun Control


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534107 - 05/09/03 11:05 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I only wish this 'betrayal' of the NRA diehards would cost him the election.

Hey - maybe Charlton Heston will run against him.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534119 - 05/09/03 11:09 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It might be a bit late for you to just stop buying guns, with the crime rates you already have. But you don't need your attitudes on guns.. ah, my english fails me... just buy a gun and have it for protection, but don't be so... militant about it. I don't really know how to say it, if you have seen Bowling (with an open mind), and still don't think he has a point, I don't think I can say it any better.
As for the article, I'll try to read it, with an ecually open mind, but it's dinner time and weekend over here, so I'll have to save it.

Oh, and... if I were a burglar, and knew most people had guns, I'd get one to. And that's what I wouldn't need in Norway.


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    #1534132 - 05/09/03 11:14 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

you seem to be a fairly open-minded guy. 




Thanks for that, I have to say that i like most of what you and Mr Mushrooms posts, you both seem like good people, you just have a wicked view on guns :smile:


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: yelimS]
    #1534205 - 05/09/03 11:44 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Or

We could just agree that's something's terribly wrong in the US, causing murder rates to be much higher than in any other country. And if it's not the paranoia, what then? Really, I'm open for suggestions.

I think I had something more to say, but I can't remember. Well, keep it real, wiggaz.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534309 - 05/09/03 12:36 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
    State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
    infringed.


SHALL


NOT



BE



INFRINGED


It's that simple :smile:

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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534354 - 05/09/03 01:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

maybe i'm paranoid and i wear a helmet when i'm driving my car. is that any reason in itself for driving with a helmet on to be banned?



Ok ok ok, I've become alot more open-minded to gus, and I agree that citizens should have the right to own them, but this is somewhat of a stretch. I mean lets say you did have this helmet to where when you drove, and lets say you left it out one night, could someone take your helmet and kill another, accidentally or intentionally?

But yeah, I do think its stupid to ban semi automatics. Someone above raised a great point when they said just because these guns have the negative "assault" connotation many people think they are evil. Its sad how semantics can obscure the truth.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1534400 - 05/09/03 01:23 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Don't take the amandments for absolute perfect wisdom. It is not that simple. You might agree, but don't defend gun ownership with the amandments. That's like not smoking pot because it's illegal, and I don't think you'd like that.
Damn, I was going to be l33t and quote the Dhammapada, but I can't find where it says that you shall not do something because others say so, but because you decide it for yourself.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1534597 - 05/09/03 02:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

He's probably doing this because he's becoming aware of just how many people would like to put a bullet in his head.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: silversoul7]
    #1534609 - 05/09/03 02:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The DEA get all the nice weapons.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: yelimS]
    #1534765 - 05/09/03 03:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Or

We could just agree that's something's terribly wrong in the US, causing murder rates to be much higher than in any other country. And if it's not the paranoia, what then? Really, I'm open for suggestions.

I think I had something more to say, but I can't remember. Well, keep it real, wiggaz.




I don't know if it should be called "terribly wrong" but the US by its very nature is different from most other countries. The Native American wars and the Civil War are proof of that. Many here in the US are a frightfully independent lot. Many pride themselves on individual liberty and do not want that infringed on by a government they see as having grown too big.

Similarly, they want to control how they protect themselves, not the government.

In the same vein Alaska has or used to have the right to grown marijuana. That was YEARS before Canada came up with their recent legislation. Many Alaskans are pro-pot and pro-gun. They moved to Alaska to get away from the government interfering with their lives.

So I think you have hit upon something.

Americans are different.

Cheers,


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1535579 - 05/09/03 08:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I feel that many people honestly think that if all Americans had guns, an Orwellian Police State could never be realized. Wake up, we're already there. And I can assure you that no auto, semi-auto, or old school bolt action is going to secure a nation. Truth, however, and Media's reporting therof, is really the only plausible weapon. Good luck with that.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: CoreHard]
    #1535597 - 05/09/03 08:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Police State or not, when they try to take my guns I will do what I have to and consider it a good day to die.

And I am not alone.


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    #1535825 - 05/09/03 11:11 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You forgot "Cheers" at the end MM :grin:

BTW, Agreed.


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1535829 - 05/09/03 11:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly. If they come for my guns, i'll be ready. Abe Lincoln said that owning firearms makes it so that IF our government becomes a tyranny, we maintain our "revolutionary right" to overthrow them. Basicaly, if the vote is abolished by a dictator, and we do have guns, we can still do something. If we don't, well, we are fucked.

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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1536555 - 05/10/03 08:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun

When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting on death row

You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, the guns of Brixton

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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: ]
    #1536704 - 05/10/03 11:24 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think Americans are right. Citizen gun ownership does prevent tyranny.

However the Feds have found a way around it:

1. Be A Patriot, Cooperate with your Government
2. Be Civil and Obedient when the Police Charge You
3. Go To Court and Be Nice, and your Sentence will be Minimal
4. Gotcha! Now you're in jail for a long time


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1536730 - 05/10/03 11:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
    State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
    infringed.SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED It's that simple :smile: Jr 




Who is the milita..... anyone?

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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: pattern]
    #1536745 - 05/10/03 12:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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The DEA get all the nice weapons.




the DEA loose all the nice weapons...along with the FBI, INS, USMS and any other washington acronym
hehehe
more than just guns?
it doesnt stop there?

it seems that they cant understand that guns are not toys and should not be left laying around as if they were a bunch of laptops loaded with sensitive information...

P#1


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Re: Bush Supports Ban on Assault Weapons [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1536857 - 05/10/03 01:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly. If they come for my guns, i'll be ready.

I can't see the marines exactly shaking in their boots johnny.


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