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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Icelander]
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So let me ask, how was this experience induced?

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: deranger]
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With a certain chemical substance in a very specific set and setting.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Icelander]
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Oh common, it's not legitimate if it was drug induced :tongue:

(this 2cb feels good btw)

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: deranger]
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I never said anything about legitimate. I just had the experience.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Icelander]
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nirvana is a nondual state, samadhi, and yes, there is nothing better, because it IS nothing.

ram dass says if your mind stays on one point for 12 seconds you are one of the most enlightened peole on the planet, so there are people out there who have experienced it, but its pretty rare

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: sleepy]
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I attained that state.....I was high on ecstasy but GOD DAMMIT I WAS THERE!

HOwever because of that experiance it totally changed my life and its safe to say about 3 years later i have definitly attained a minor form of enlightenment.

My life felt like i was walking up a hill that was impossible to view the top. I felt like there was no purpose except for me to Join the marines and die with honor cause i was sick of this life and everything in it. Pain made no sense.

Eating Ecstasy was like throwing my soul out of my body and placing it on top of the hill I was climbing.....then i got to look down and see where i was standing and why i was stuck.

I really caint explain it....which is why im trying to use a metaphor, bottem line is there was no way to explain where i was cause of ecstasy, but by the time it ended i wasnt craving more. It was something so amazing i serious think it was only supposed to happen once in a lifetime, or at least very rarley. THe rest is up to me. :bowdown::yinyang:


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"Nothing in the world is a gift. Whatever there is to learn has to be learned the hard way."
-Don juan

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
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i dont have good things to say about ecstacy, i used to do it alot and got very good X/MDMA, however i dont think it even compares to where shrooms can take you


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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Chronic7]
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I had a spontaneous experience of Asamprajnata Samadhi. It was an infinite, self-effulgent expanse of "Unbearable Compassion" and there was no 'I' or personal frame of reference, no self-conscious awareness of name or embodied being. It was pure Awareness, aware of Itself. It subsided in a heartbeat, retracting from Infinitude to a piercing point of "Unbearable Compassion" in the Heart Cave.

OM MANI PADME HUM - The Absolute is a Jewel in the Lotus of the Heart

The Experience remains with me in memory and continues to motivate me. It occurred one evening in meditation around Christmas time in 1973.

"...and in the startling end...blue-whiteness makes me calm...I dream in the eye of the wind..." - The Fugs


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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we benefit by putting aside reacting to the world. in that direction one finds nibbana.
the middle way, however, is the path of compassion, and complete renunciation of the world is reserved until after all beings are enlightened.


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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Icelander]
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The closest I've come to a state of pure bliss is listening to music that is atmosphere-heavy, just sat with my eyes closed and focused on the different layers throughout the music.

Edited by Boots (01/30/08 10:49 AM)

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
I had a spontaneous experience of Asamprajnata Samadhi. It was an infinite, self-effulgent expanse of "Unbearable Compassion" and there was no 'I' or personal frame of reference, no self-conscious awareness of name or embodied being. It was pure Awareness, aware of Itself. It subsided in a heartbeat, retracting from Infinitude to a piercing point of "Unbearable Compassion" in the Heart Cave.

OM MANI PADME HUM - The Absolute is a Jewel in the Lotus of the Heart

The Experience remains with me in memory and continues to motivate me. It occurred one evening in meditation around Christmas time in 1973.

"...and in the startling end...blue-whiteness makes me calm...I dream in the eye of the wind..." - The Fugs


Unending compassion was the essence of my experience also. For everything without compromise. (I spent some time focusing on the horrifying experiences and acts of individual humans and humanity, I felt only unending compassion for our suffering) While I did not lose sense of myself I did not feel separation from any experience that was not mine. I felt completely connected to everything.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
With a certain chemical substance in a very specific set and setting.


Can you be a little bit more descriptive?? Thanks!

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Kamek]
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Kamek said:
Icelander said:
With a certain chemical substance in a very specific set and setting.


Can you be a little bit more descriptive?? Thanks!


Im intruiged too, i have reached orgasmic states before but not for 6 hours str8!!!!



Om Mani Pedeme Hung has a certain ring to it, i only ever read about it once (being the Dalai Lama's main mantra) and it has stuck with me, i find myself chanting it randomly, thanks for the translation as all i knew it was is unconditionl compassion or something alike...


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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Kamek]
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Kamek said:
Icelander said:
With a certain chemical substance in a very specific set and setting.


Can you be a little bit more descriptive?? Thanks!


It means that if we know how we react to certain situations, we can re-create a scenery in order to feel the same.
We are very suggestible beings. :shrug:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Nir-vana means without-form. It is a non-state
You can neither attain nor achieve it, if you try you will move further away. Nirvana is the original state of the universe, and so your self. It is the state in which you currently find yourself.
It is your own ignorance that causes the false identification. You are unaware of your original state and so you mistake your feelings and thoughts as your self, as being your state. This is of course the source of all suffering.
You cannot feel Nirvana, you are nirvana.


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Principles of acceptance
* People do not progress by being questioned, they progress by questioning themselves.

* When ready for the answer, people will come to the question of themselves.

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Fugai]
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Don't chase the ball, BE the ball. :smirk:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Kamek]
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Kamek said:
Icelander said:
With a certain chemical substance in a very specific set and setting.


Can you be a little bit more descriptive?? Thanks!


First time XTC two hits absolutely pure. A completey darkened, ambient tempeture room, on a bed naked with a body pillow. No music no sound. One hit and then another an hour later. I had been working with heroic dose :mushroom2: trips in the wild at night for the proceeding months.

I was completely caught off guard as I wasn't expecting much.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Fugai]
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Fugai said:
Nir-vana means without-form. It is a non-state
You can neither attain nor achieve it, if you try you will move further away. Nirvana is the original state of the universe, and so your self. It is the state in which you currently find yourself.
It is your own ignorance that causes the false identification. You are unaware of your original state and so you mistake your feelings and thoughts as your self, as being your state. This is of course the source of all suffering.
You cannot feel Nirvana, you are nirvana.


You might waanna check out the buddhas definition of Nirvana, its what you say, but its definately described as attainable thru Non attachment and as "the ultimate/higher happyness" unless they translated the buddha wrong.

I just see it as Pure Love of all brought thru non attachment.


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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Chronic7]
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The description is a map for those who need it.
How can you attain what you already are? Better to use the term realize.
Love is attachment to things.
Attachment is not acceptance.
Better to use the term compassion.
Compassion is universal, it is acceptance of things as they are.
The texts of the Buddha are just "picking your pocket and trying to sell you your own watch".
They have there use only to a certain point. Even Shakyamuni said that.


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Principles of acceptance
* People do not progress by being questioned, they progress by questioning themselves.

* When ready for the answer, people will come to the question of themselves.

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Re: Nirvana... [Re: Fugai]
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Quote:
Love is attachment to things.


Love in not attachment, love IS acceptance, if love was attachment then it would have been called attachment instead of love. It's kind of simple if you think about it.
It is also very true that many people confuse love with attachment, but this doesn't make love itself change it's structure.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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