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are women primarily responsible for evolution?
#7927386 - 01/24/08 10:58 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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think about it. Of almost every single species, it is ultimately the woman that "chooses the mate". granted you are a grain of sand on a beach, but your choice of who to conceive with (even the accidental pregnancy is a choice, especially in this day and age) has weight that affects the genetic evolution of mankind to some degree.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7927428 - 01/24/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Interesting theory! It's definitly plausible, although it would probably be pretty difficult to find any evidence for it. It's certainly an idea I'm glad to entertain.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7927437 - 01/24/08 11:06 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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i can entertain the idea that women are primarily directing evolution, but i think men share this responsibility with their own choices as well.
man and woman are relative poles that both contribute their part to the grand table.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7927449 - 01/24/08 11:09 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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There are other factors to take to consideration as well. One can have great genes and be raised in an unhealthy environment, I tend to thing that the environment and the circumstances in which one is growing up and developing a personality are much more important than the genes. 
And yes, the mother is also responsible for those issues, but her background comes in play too.
Also I think that a man has or can assume the same importance in his role. He can choose from the methods of contraception that are available for them (there are more than just using a condom) and in this way control when and with whom he will have children with. Also he can choose to have equal responsibility as a father.
Responsibility is a choice, not a given.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7927483 - 01/24/08 11:16 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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MushroomTrip said: I tend to thing that the environment and the circumstances in which one is growing up and developing a personality are much more important than the genes. 
I think this sticks out for us human beings, the cultural factor: how the ideas and beliefs we adopt actually play a rather big role in determining the evolution of the species.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7927532 - 01/24/08 11:25 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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I think it would be even. Since now with contraception people can control whether they get pregnant or not. So although a man would have sex with many women given the slightest opportunity, he would only want to have children with a very select few. So i think men and women are equally selective when it comes to picking someone to have children with. And in the animal and insect world the women is drawn instinctively to certain traits found in the male. I think determining which is more important, possessing the traits or being attracted to them, is impossible
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7927553 - 01/24/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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true.. I dont think that personality and character are genetic, but certain health aspects are. would it be wrong to ask people that have a history of mental retardation in their lineage to stop procreating? sperm banks have been dealing in genetic superiority for years now.
before you scoff at my thought, think about that. you as a woman want to have a child but have no sperm, and therefor you go to a sperm bank and find two perfect matches, except one has a history of having mental retardation in his family... which one would you choose?
this thread raised an interesting question: the evolution of the mass of the penis. Im sure if I looked long enough, we could find some study that shows the human penis has evolved to be longer, and maybe even thicker. the first conclusion would be that women do in fact feel that size matters and conceive with more endowed males due to better pleasure. but another conclusion could be that males with a longer penis have a better advantage of inseminating females than their "shorter" counterparts. this could be evidenced by comparing the length of the vaginal canals of different ethnicities.... meaning that it could be the cause for asians having small wangs: because they dont need big cocks to properly inseminate their shallow pussied females. seems to me that we have a constant and a variable, and we can compare the two.... I would venture that women in general are the same amount of horny across ethnic lines, but the depth of their twat would vary.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7927563 - 01/24/08 11:30 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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if ur a woman that has nothing to offer besides the ability to reproduce than u really have nothing. for example, if theres a girl that is ugly as sin and dumb as a sack of shit, she wont predominently have say over who she chooses,in which case i believe it would actually b upto society to pick the persons mate, it would depend on who is left, which would b the guy who is ugly as sin and as dumb as a sack of shit. and it would go round and round.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: kronik08]
#7927616 - 01/24/08 11:38 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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another interesting question is raised:
has there been an increase in the amount of premature ejaculators over time? statistically, a guy with a 15 second fuse has the "jump" on guys with proper stamina in relation to insemination... and definitely has the advantage of "surprise!". i mean, how many babies are the product of "I just want to feel it inside me"? oops, shoulda put a condom on.
Im interested now. I have to go find some studies about this. I think proper examination of the evolution of genitalia could tell us a lot about human sexual nature and possibly even deviance.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7927653 - 01/24/08 11:44 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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aha! a third conclusion comes into play.
the male penis could have its size dictated by the size o the vagina, which is dictated by the size of a babies head. when our head grows, our other head grows... in terms of evolution.
so women, if you want bigger penii, start fucking guys with huge noggins.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7927687 - 01/24/08 11:50 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Women have a better chance of concieving if they have an orgasm than if they don't. The muscle movements that happen with female orgasm acts as a vaccuum, sucking the sperm into her uterus. So it seems in that case, that there would be an evolutionary preference towards men who were attentive lovers and not quick in and outers.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7927717 - 01/24/08 11:56 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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true.. I dont think that personality and character are genetic, but certain health aspects are. would it be wrong to ask people that have a history of mental retardation in their lineage to stop procreating? sperm banks have been dealing in genetic superiority for years now.
No, I wasn't thinking about arguing this thought... not necessarily. I have been thinking about this matter on several occasions and I think it is an interesting idea that could play a role in progress. But I wouldn't go as far as interdicting them to stop procreating. However, the woman should be entitled to know all those things about the potential father of her children. As well as male could be entitled to know all this matters about the woman he decides to have children with. I wouldn't go as fart as interdicting mainly because I believe that any interdiction, of any kind, stands in the way of progress more than facilitation it (at least in the long run). Also, say you interdict them to procreate... but what measure would you take about the rest? About the medium a child will grow up in? The way he will be educated? I wouldn't want to live in a world in which someone is telling me how to grow my kids, which methods are the best and get controlled about it.  In the same time I am well aware that so many children with potential get fucked up because of the way they are educated by their parents, but I prefer to give natural selection a chance and focus on the things we as humans can improve without taking away from the personal liberties. A positive and rewarding attitude can do so much more than a restrictive one. Concentrating on finding the means to set an example for living in a conscious manner is an idea that appeals to me more.
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you as a woman want to have a child but have no sperm, and therefor you go to a sperm bank and find two perfect matches, except one has a history of having mental retardation in his family... which one would you choose?
Of course I would choose the one without the mental retardation. But I prefer that this attribute to remain strictly on the sperm banks and out of the "traditional" ways of conception. From the information I have, there are some tests a woman can take during the pregnancy and that have the ability to detect lots of the possible illnesses the fetus might have. I would most definitely go for those. 
Also the Asians have come to find great ways of offering and receiving sexual pleasure that can easily compensate for the reduced size of their penises. This must say something about them, further more than adaptability.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7927962 - 01/25/08 01:00 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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I think the main reason for human evolution is women complaining. If at one point women wouldn't have started complaining we would all still be out there in the wilderness hunting deer.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: Kamek]
#7929046 - 01/25/08 09:33 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7929063 - 01/25/08 09:39 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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While it is true that women have the choice of which offer they will accept, in the case of traditional courtship, they do not necessarily have their pick of any partner. And in non-traditional courtship (female pursuit), it is up to the male to accept or reject the females' offer.
The most-attractive males and females will have the most offers to choose from, or the most likelihood of having their offers accepted. The least-attractive will have the fewest offers, and the least likelihood of being accepted.
Sexual selection is complex, and it is confounded by factors such as self-esteem, emotional attachments, cultural standards, socialization, etc...
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: Veritas]
#7931156 - 01/25/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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female sexual selection is complex... males is at most a three step process.
I was also thinking that if conclusion 3 is correct, then on average, men with larger heads have larger cawks.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7931707 - 01/25/08 07:35 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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lol i went to work today and had a started a discussion on this forum, it was a pretty good one at that.
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7931845 - 01/25/08 08:03 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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i figure it was one guy who got the whole world pregnant thousands of years ago and thats why we're all messed up he had abominable sperm
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: Cherk]
#7931946 - 01/25/08 08:26 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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Are women responsible for evolution?
YES!!! And this is the exact reason the human race isn't going to make it. It's the womens fault!  (j/k)
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Re: are women primarily responsible for evolution? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7934070 - 01/26/08 09:10 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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Your premise is flawed because the size of the vagina is NOT dictated by the size of the babies head. How could it be, when the baby's head circumference is generally the average of both parents' head circumference at birth?
The size of one's genitalia is related to the size of your same-sex parent's genitalia.
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