Man Karma is an interesting thing to ponder. Its a great conspiricy theory like all religion. I never really tried to grasp the technicalities of Karma, not because the concept is uninteresting, but because it seems overwealming. It seems like karma is the last thing you really understand as a buddhist, dont you think? It seems like you shouldnt be able to get it, untill you understand it all, or that when you get it then you get everything else. Anyways lately ive found it interesting to look at eastern spirituality as proportional. See, it kind of makes sense, because what i find asthe most intriguing, and encompassing concept of eastern thought is relativism. Everything is denominated by something else at all times. I like the way you put alot of these ideas Sticky, so just for shits and giggles Im gonna convert what you said to proportions.
StickyWater said:
We all know what karma is. It's a pretty black and white concept. If you do good, good will come, if you do bad, the you'll get bad in return. Some of us believe in this quite strongly, others argue "well how come good things can happen to bad people" or just otherwise don't feel that's how the world works.
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Well first, Obviously Im going to disagree that its a black and white concept. Look at all the possibilities of incarnation, just here on earth. What would be better, a cat, a cow, or a manatea? Good vs Bad? Im not even sure this applies.
If you mean by big 100/1 vs small 1/100 i kind of get what your saying. This duality might exist, but when most people think in black and white, they have not even taken in to consideration the denominator, which can easily make the numerator an absolute joke. Instead they might just think 10000000 is a big number, but in relation to a possibly infinite universe 10000000 isnt jack shit.
StickyWater said:
Well consider this. Karma, by nature is one of the laws of physics. Not directly, but physics does tell us that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
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I tend to agree this. Everything seeks equilibrium, whether its through growth or decay. Hmmm maybe there is some point of singularity, or absolute, that the universe is continually striving for, which would be 1/1. Or 10/10 or 100000000000000/1000000000000000. What is singularity? 
Are we already a singularity and dont even realize it?
StickyWater said:
People have a very flawing tendency, a very understandable tendency, but a flawing one none the less. People still sometimes forget that the world isn't the center of the universe. People still sometimes forget that Earth can not be considered a model to base your understanding of how the entire universe works, because the truth is that the earth merely represents maybe as much of the universe as 1 person represents the entire population. Earth is merely one floating cluster of molecules crammed together which have bonded in such a way as to form incredibly solid rock due to special conditions at a given moment in a given place, it is subject to the forces of the universe, and it is influenced by every action of every electron of every atom around it in a string of cause and effect reactions on a sub-atomic scale.
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Yea I agree were nothing special. Or maybe we all are.... hahah
People tend to forget that that they have a denominator, which is possibly, and to my understanding, probably infinite. Does this mean that any thought, relationship, and experience, utterly meaningless? ---> If your measuring how big they are, yes. If your measuring how close to singularity...
StickyWater said:
In this sense, we can take a new approach to the idea of karma, viewing it beyond the boundaries that once limited it to influencing our lives and the world, and we can start viewing it on a much more logical, realistic, and visualizable level of cause and effect reactions due to the actions we make. For every action the atoms of and around us make, there is an equal and opposite reaction, carrying out as a string of reactions throughout the universe. We are directly connected to the rest of the universe through a string of cause and effect reactions that can begin on one of the universe and slowly make their way through the universe until they reach us.
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We can always conceptually be part of a whole, no matter what way you think.
1/1
Even if reality is infinite. Think about it if the universe is infinite, so are you.
StickyWater said:
With this consideration, does it not seem logical to say that we are, in some part responsible for the actions and events in the universe? Could we not say that collectively as a species we can have a great influence on the events in the universe? I mean we've already completely changed the chemistry balance of a planet through our direct actions. If our planet were to give off particals of matter or something into space, then this matter would interact with other matter and would cause impact the chain of long-term events in the universe.
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Heheh I like this. Every single atom is in its own way the very center of the universe, affected by, and affecting everything. Explains many of the delusions of grandeur doesnt it? Although 1/infinity may seem meaningless, it really isnt. Its really infinity over infinity.
StickyWater said:
Basically what I'm saying is that I think the idea of Karma has been viewed too materialistically. People follow it hoping to get good in their lives. The follow it under the assumption that for some reason the universe will bend around them, for them. Instead I feel that people should view it as a responsibility to the universe. Stop causing more chaotic reactions in the universe, and there will be less cause and effect reactions in the unverse resulting from a chaotic influence and will help the universe run itself more smoothly and calmly.
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Hmmm if i could just convert ethics to numbers...
StickyWater said:
Of course being such a small part of the universe, it's really impossible to say what would be a bad reaction to put out all the time, but I think it's safe to say that certain things definitely seem to cause a lot of chaos in the universe. War, deceit, corruption, they all have small scale universal influences of these cause and effect reactions that we can see here where we stand. They show themselves in the frustration caused by chemical reactions shutting down in the brain to cause hatred and violence in people. They show themselves in the way our world unfolds as it happens.
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Meh more ethics...
StickyWater said:
I'm not so much arguing the existance of Karma here, I'm arguing that the whole universe follows one of the most basic laws of physics and that for thousands of years people have completely ignored that, foccusing on only the universe surrounding them to assess their existance and influences. Too many people assume that just because something bad doesn't happen to them that they're not doing anything wrong. Too many people assume that because someone has done them wrong that revenge is a justified solution.
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I get ya man. Sure, not in a literal sense, but I actually see these laws as very poetic. To me a "law of relativity" explains pretty much everyhting, not just literal science. Equal and opposite reaction is damn good too
StickyWater said:
I don't know, I think we all just have to take a little more responsibility for our actions and start to realize that unless we collectively calm down and start being held accountable for what we do, we're just going to keep making the world a much more chaotic place. Otherwise things will never slow down enough to find a balance.
Just some random thoughts, I never really believed in Karma myself, but I guess viewing it from a more down to earth view of cause and effect reactions rather than a mystical force helps make sense of it to me a bit. Just thought I'd share my thoughts, get some opinions.
Yea, same here, no need to analyze it too much i think, as im wasted right now. Just discovered an awesome drink: Vodka and white grapefruit juice. 
Cool post man.
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