gettinjiggywithit said:

It can't be taken literally like the idea of tuning into stillness. It is an absolute oxymoron.

"Tuning" in is a verb
"being" still is a verb
"harmonizing" with one is a verb
"releasing" all thought is a verb

You can say NO to all of my questions egg and believe in the idea of stillness. You just did so you proved that you can do that. I asked how it serves us besides being a self orienting tool or a futile means for stopping time and movement when we feel overwhelmed. Why didn't you add something to this post with your answer of how it serves you?

I said NO, to one of your statements, and gave an analogy for the explanation of why what you said is not so

It's easy to take the path of least resistance. Here I will answer it and show you how.

I use to do and still do "stillness" meditations. They create the sensation or experience of everything slowing down and "stopping", at least the inner world of perception. My atoms are still flying around being lunged forward in space.

The meditations create a surreal opening to what appears to be the whole of time you can tap into for peace, new ideas, calm waters to self reflect upon or just "nothing". No matter how I look at it, action was involved from intent to a goal and an experience took place in between and time passed by.

I dont know what meditation that is, but its not one im familair with, what im most familiar with is called Shamata(calm) meditation, which is used to gradully let the mind relax and slow down by using the method of attention. What is used in conjunction with this for realization is Vipassana(Insight) meditation, where you look at 'who' is meditating or having such a sensation. Then the meditation dissolves into a state of non-meditation, where all duality of subject and object no longer apply, then you are out of time, no longer involved in the past, present or future, but it is necessary to calm the mind forts to enable the space for insight to occur. This is how it is for me

Sometimes, I felt like I just wasted time because I have it to waste and that feels luxurious, especially in a crazy busy world where people think we are running out of time and there isn't enough time. Hahahahahahaha silly humans.

I know people like to think they can or are tapping into a still place of being but do they realize that tuning in with stillness can not be LITERALLY experienced. An experience requires the movement of time to be such.

Time is continuous, and with Shamata (calm) meditation one can have many experiences many states of consciousness, but all of these occur inside time, that why within Buddhism Vipassana is used in conjunction with Shamata, because its essential to transcend the meditation itself to discovers the state of realization.

The depths of the ocean are still? I saw a show last week where archaeologists were uncovering the bones of the first known whale called something that sounds like sillyosuarus. They were retrieving these bones from an ocean bed that is now a dry dessert on the surface of the planet. If the depths of the ocean were so still, how did they rise to the top to be blown away by the winds of time?

I was using an analogy, there's no need to get technical or literal as you understand perfectly what i was getting at.

This wasn't so much about stillness or the virtues as coming as close as possible to it. I think it's hysterical that travel ling at the speed of freaking light is a better freeze of time then slowing down movement. I'm going to be trippen on that one for days.

Hmm, the faster your thinking mind goes, the faster your life becomes, one day you will turn around and your life will almost be over. Stillness meditation isn't about freezing time and nor is insight meditation, one is for allowing the calm and space to manifest, and the other is for recognizing the vastness of the sky-like nature of mind, which transcends all conditions of time and circumstance because it is essentially non-dualistic

There is more in here. My first post is riddled with maps. Where will they take me or any reader???????????????????

And you add to the delight of the post egg. Interesting to see how some read it and walls drop within them to give them more space to roam and how another can throw up a another resistance wall for themselves. Does it bother you that you can't escape movement in the absolute sense egg? Why? Could it be that you actually agree with everything I am saying and just want to put resistance up to something? Why? Resistance isn't healthy state to be in.

I'm not resisting anything, I'm just telling it how it is from my perspective. Of course movement never stops, that why Ive said over and over and tried to explain to you what stillness (calm) meditation is all about, its not about escaping movement, the movement continues uninterruptedly, its just that there is no need to engage in it. There is no Resistance on my part whatsoever, I'm only trying to offer you a clearer view.

Impermanence.................................means a lot of things. Some look at that word and think it means what is real doesn't change and cling to what they think doesn't change or move, but alas, linear perception can make things appear as such if they move very very slowly. Clinging/holding is an action word. There would be no need for clinging/holding onto anything if the winds of change blowing us around were not experienced as scary. Go zen and be the wind...........

The tree one holds onto will be blown away too. The sand one buries their head in will be blown away too. The depths one buries themselves in will rise to the surface to be revealed and then blown away as well.

Resistance is futile. For some, it's the only way to experience the force of their power. Would you rather experience yourself as the moving force that what is afraid of you puts up resistance too or be experience yourself as the force of resistance? Can you experience both at the same time? What happens then? Do you double your power? Hmmmm there is another one to trip on.

Interesting, non-Resistance is exactly what meditation is all about. I'm pretty sure that in all traditions meditation is about dissolving the walls of resistance that we build up through, firstly the gentle calming of the mind, so we can see what is going on more quickly, and secondly having insight into the nature of mind, that is like infinite unconfined empty space.

What exactly is it are you defending here egg? What are all of your "No's" for?

I'm not defending anything, Where are all of these No's you are referring to?

Yes feels wonderful and free. Perhaps I just answered my own question. Yes. yes is the power of movement and No is what puts up the channel walls of the flow. Yes takes us there and preferences act as the destinations and Nos act as the guiding walls for direction we limit ourselves to go in. That must be how duality creates the perception of linear time. A full on Yes force with no preferences or guiding Nos can and does goes everywhere and anywhere. It can aim with preferences. The Nos aren't even required if you keep focus on the preference.

Yes and No are dependent upon each other, without one you cant have the other, saying yes to something is to say no to something else, they are mutually dependent. Being all YES is an extreme, just as being all NO is too. The middle way is in the space between the yes and the no, but totally inclusive of them both equally as well

Tell me how Absolute stillness can be experienced by anyone. An experience requires movement and it doesn't even have to be linear. For anything to be frozen in time, the movement of time itself is required.

Movement and stillness are dependent on each other, movement manifests out of stillness, but without movement we could never recognize the Serene depths of stillness. Using Shamata meditation one can experience complete stillness but this is not required at all, this state of non-thought is just an experience which just is as impermanent as every other experience within dualistic perception. It is said that there are Buddhist and Hindu yogi's in the Himalayas who have been meditating in this state of non-thought for thousands of years, mistaking it for Nirvana, but enlightenment is not some state of stillness, of frozen time situation, the frozen state is a stable experience that comes from deep meditation, but eventually as movement and stillness are co-dependent, thought arise once again, and the practioner wakes up from that state and dies of shock. These are stories Ive heard from some of my teachers who warn against relying on calm meditation alone. I have never experienced this myself, but i trust my teachers words with my life.

Tell me how it can be otherwise and you will take me somewhere I have gone before and can remember. That would be cool.

Stillness meditations rock because they are so wonderfully self indulgent. To be able to waste time doing nothing because you can is very self revelatory. It's almost like being able to say I AM TIME ITSELF. Can we can get real about whats going on with "stillness" meditations.................movement.

I know you are not going to tell me that you do stillness meditations to put resistance up against movement. If you are telling me that you can stop everything and be in a place that isn't moving and actually experience it then.......................all I can say is self delusion can be fun a fun experience to create with moving energy as well.

Of course i do calm meditation, its part of my practices, but its not the main point at all as one can get very self-absorbed with it and then it just becomes another distraction from the essence.

How are others served in our being still? How are others served with our doing and being nothing but practicing stillness? If the goal of Buddhism is to achieve that and then teach it to others who is getting served what in the end but a bunch of being nothings doing nothing thinking they are "still" while doing it?

That paints a funny picture. Then when they all master and teach all to be still together then what? Does time stop? Does movement actually stop? Do they all become the movement in Essenes. Is it about moving from being a slave of time to becoming a master of it to becoming time itself?

Then what? How do we serve when we become time itself? What is to serve if all have been served and have become self serving?

Is that we then create for pleasure and joy and not out of survival or necessity?

Resistance isn't even futile. It's just unnecessary. When you have your sights aimed on preferences without faulter, the Yes force will find it's way to the location. The no force is just useful for damning up the flows. Wonder if that's why people do it, to store up power in a reserve with damns. Brings up a new meaning to the expression to be damned to- to have the flow of yourself restricted and put under pressure.

I just pictured someone saying to someone else "damn you!" They typically say it when they wish to stop someone from doing something again and wish to cause them suffering. Pressure creates friction and heat like hell. "Damn you to hell"="I wish to stop your flow and put you under the suffering of pressure".

Word play is fun. What that has to do with us being time travelers I have no idea.

Hey Egg, this is a post on us being time travelers and random thoughts related to it. Why are you damning the flows?

Where have i damned any flow?

If you don't care to contribute random thoughts to our being time travelers and want to talk about absolute stillness then start your own post on it. This one is about the absoluteness of movement of ponderings on harnessing the energy.

You've just posted this whole post about stillness and asked my many questions about it, so i have answered. I have not had time to read and reply to all of your post because its so long, but i hope you understand my main point that stillness and movement are co-dependent, if you ignore either aspect you are being very unbalanced and are most likely wasting your time and energy.

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LunarEclipse said:

Somehow being out in the water scooting along with the sharks and manta rays looking down into the depths, but seeing the blue sky, clouds, people and things above the surface sounds better than actually being in the depths. 

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Being just above the calm surface of the water, one can look thru into the depths thru a window to see all that is below....  But at the same time, one can shift that perspective of the depths into viewing the reflection on the window's surface to see the sky above that surface....  Still looking in one direction, and seeing two directions at the same time....  Observe, the depths of vastness run deep....    Keep one eye on each, and keep both in reach.... 

Blessings....!   

gettinjiggywithit said:

The depths of the ocean are still? I saw a show last week where archaeologists were uncovering the bones of the first known whale called something that sounds like sillyosuarus.

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gettinjiggywithit said:

An experience requires movement and it doesn't even have to be linear. For anything to be frozen in time, the movement of time itself is required.

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An experience creates a memory, seemingly (on the surface) frozen in time....    Is it really frozen in time when it takes time to remember, and is contained in a mind that is forever moving thru time and space....?  Then in remembering, the memory is brought to life to live a life of it's own in your own mind in time....  As I see it now, everything has a flow to it....   

Blessings....! 

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Sillyosuarus....  Now THAT is a silly name....! 

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I said "sounds like" I found the name. It's Basilosaurus. I just heard sillyasuarus.


http://search.aimhome.netscape.com/aim/b...ilosaurus1.html