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OfflineShroomalicious
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Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world...
    #980299 - 10/21/02 06:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hello to all you Shroomites out there! Been a long time since my last post but I am back and I still have much love for you all!

In my humble and fallible opinion I hear a lot of people with the attitude of the perfect world will come when everyone agrees with me, when everyone goes to my church or when everyone is nice to me. I think a lot of people have an attitude of people must be nice to me before I can be nice to them. They have the right, but I think that is not a productive attitude for a better world. What if we were mean to everyone who was mean to us? We may feel satisfied with a good quip that makes us feel like the offended has been outwitted, but what are we actually doing? It is kind of a selfish thing, don't you think? I think kindness has to be a policy that we extend to every last person, no matter how bad we think they are. This doesn't mean you have to sit there and get beat up just because you want to be nice to your attacker but that does mean that if you have a dispute with someone instead of piling on the insults and layering the increasingly cruel vengeful actions you should try and calmly figure out the root of the problem, how it can be fixed, etc. Some people will say, "Yes, but some people just won't listen". I would say to those people that the reason some people won't listen is because they have probably been a victim of some sort of abuse, whether it be physical, sexual or the very under appreciated mental abuse. Nobody ever has listened to them before, so why don't you try? Who knows you may change the world for the better, just that much. Do you want to be a part of the better good, or do you want to be a part of the better evil? To put it simply I have a little saying...

Love to those who do not love me, because love is need with them the most.

Tolerance to those who do not tolerate me, because tolerance is needed with them the most.

Patience to those who do not have patience with me, because patience is needed with them the most.

Understanding to those that do not understand me, because understanding is needed with them the most.

Peace to those who are not peaceful with me, because peace is needed with them the most.


All the above is only my opinion...LOVE TO THE SHROOMERY!


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #980305 - 10/21/02 06:16 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

amen to that!


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #980964 - 10/21/02 10:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

How about we round up all the imperfect people and gas them? That would work, right...?


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Xibalba]
    #980985 - 10/21/02 10:45 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Indeed. The only way to create a perfect world (which is, in itself, subjective) is to kill those who disagree with you.

One might believe a perfect world would be ruled by common sense.

Another person might want one ruled by faith.

And another would want love to rule all.

Fight for what you belive is right. To me, a perfect world is a free one, where people are able to express their own opinions without fear of persecution, where law is a tool used ONLY to prevent acts which are UNIVERSALLY unaccepted (such as murder, rape, theft, etc.)


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Anonymous]
    #981178 - 10/21/02 11:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

there should be no laws. There will always be flaws in laws. Everyone has the ability to distinguish Right from Wrong. To kill is wrong. To hurt someone in some way is wrong. To love is Right. Its because there we're those who chose not to follow this cosmic conscience that Laws were invented.

I say those willing to follow those rules of our cosmic conscience, come join me in my Utopian society. Muhahahahaha (insane laughter).  :crazy: 


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Anonymous]
    #981331 - 10/22/02 12:23 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I am not sure if I got the wrong tone, but I never said everyone had to all agree. In fact that is exactly WHAT I did not say. We have to be kind to each other and not let silly things like differences get in our way.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #981428 - 10/22/02 12:52 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Psychedelics are part of the equation for world peace!!!!!

Money feeds ego; psychedelics destroy ego, and then build you back up, to a peace loving person!


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: johnnyfive]
    #982201 - 10/22/02 09:38 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

we already live in a perfect world .... you can't have the sweet without the sour. i think if everyone excepted the fact it would indeed get better. how ... dont have a clue in which ways.

if you think otherwise join the right wing conspiricy, facists, red loving communists, and whoever else thinks thier tunnel vision is the best for the whole world alrady fucked up ... even if peace and love is what they want for thw whole world.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Kemist]
    #982206 - 10/22/02 09:40 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Love to those who do not love me, because love is need with them the most.

Tolerance to those who do not tolerate me, because tolerance is needed with them the most.

Patience to those who do not have patience with me, because patience is needed with them the most.

Understanding to those that do not understand me, because understanding is needed with them the most.

Peace to those who are not peaceful with me, because peace is needed with them the most.


.... this is however very good advice to live by. i dont disagree with it but with the peacemaker always comes with the warmonger.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: thePatient]
    #982368 - 10/22/02 11:13 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

there should be no laws. There will always be flaws in laws. Everyone has the ability to distinguish Right from Wrong. To kill is wrong. To hurt someone in some way is wrong. To love is Right. Its because there we're those who chose not to follow this cosmic conscience that Laws were invented.

I agree with the patient...I see it as true will as opposed to free will. True will is bypassing the ego and letting "god","higher conciousness", or whatever metaphor floats your boat, act through you. Free will is the ego choosing to satisfy itself above the common good and blocking this connection to "the divine".

I think Aleister Crowley says it best "Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law"
(this is the most famous quote of Big Al's that is used to illustrate what a basically wicked character he was as he is obviously supporting anarchy here. Sadly, the second line of the quote rarely gets used.)

"Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law....love is the law, love under will"

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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: GazzBut]
    #982443 - 10/22/02 11:49 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Free will is the ego choosing to satisfy itself above the common good and blocking this connection to "the divine".

Holy shit does that idea suck.
What kind of an asshole god would consider creativity as something that "goes against the common good" (paraphrasing you)?


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Sclorch]
    #982469 - 10/22/02 12:05 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

'Common good' is a rather nebulous term and highly subjective. Hitler thought the common good was best served by eliminating the Jews. Stalin thought it was best served by the starvation of 7 to 10 million Ukrainians.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Kemist]
    #983531 - 10/22/02 05:23 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

we already live in a perfect world .... you can't have the sweet without the sour.

LOVE YOUR ATTITUDE!

if you think otherwise join the right wing conspiricy, facists, red loving communists, and whoever else thinks thier tunnel vision is the best for the whole world alrady fucked up ... even if peace and love is what they want for thw whole world.

Nevermind. :wink: Are you saying that everyone who doesn't agree with you is a right wing conspiracist, facist, "red loving" communist? I think that is sort of a tunnel vision kinda of thing as well. It sounds like YOU have the theory of as soon as everyone sees it my way the world will be better, IMO. In fact you said, "i think if everyone excepted the fact it would indeed get better." Once again, this is opinion and you are saying that your opinion is fact and everyone has to agree with it or else the world will never be a better place. At least that is my opinion.

That doesn't sound like tolerance and understanding to me.

Please don't take this as a flame, I want to know how you feel about these things and I also want you to know how I feel, without any hate or anger coming into play. 


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: thePatient]
    #983565 - 10/22/02 05:32 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

there should be no laws. There will always be flaws in laws. Everyone has the ability to distinguish Right from Wrong. To kill is wrong. To hurt someone in some way is wrong. To love is Right. Its because there we're those who chose not to follow this cosmic conscience that Laws were invented.

Science says you are wrong. Some people literally cannot distinguish between what is considered right and what is considered wrong. I might dought this except I sometimes work with troubled children and know of one right now, a little girl and she has no concept of mean, cruel, "disorderly", etc. She doesn't even udnerstand when she should hide whats she's done, and you wouldn't believe some of the things she has done.

In fact, that is the court room definition of insane people - those who cannot distinguish right and wrong. That is why in every severe absuse case they spend so much time trying to figure out if the guy knew it was wrong or not, because they need to understand if they were dealing with someone who is legally mental or just a guy who knew and didn't care. It is important because then the sentensing is different.

Just my two cents, friend. :smile: Food for thought... 


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: GazzBut]
    #983621 - 10/22/02 05:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with the patient...I see it as true will as opposed to free will. True will is bypassing the ego and letting "god","higher conciousness", or whatever metaphor floats your boat, act through you. Free will is the ego choosing to satisfy itself above the common good and blocking this connection to "the divine".

I understand what you are saying but it just doesn't play out that easy, or at least it has not in past history. How many times have terrible things been carried out in "God's will"? I agree if everyone acted on true will the world wouldn't need laws. However, a lot of people do and will (IMO) act in a way that they feel like it and then just say they are acting on their "true will"...and who's to say they are wrong? Who's to say it is not true will? Who should make those judgements?

I am much against the idea of law and order but the issue is much more complex then simply two extremes of law equals control which equals Totalitarianism 100% of the time or the other extreme of let everyone do what they want equals world peace 100% of the time.

I don't like government, or censorship (AT ALL!). However, I am just playing devil's advocate to show that if you are going to tear down government and have peace, it is going to take a lot of thinking things out.

Know what I mean?


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #983718 - 10/22/02 06:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Very true words.
How to make the world a better place? stop mirroring negativety. We all have the capacity of generating positive energy simply by transforming negativety through this. If someone is angry, dont get angry with them, just see that inside is a person suffering. Have compassion. We are all in a mode of ignorance, some of us to a lesser extent then others, realise that when dealing with people, some may or may not have had as many opportunities as you for personal and spiritual growth, realise this when dealing with yourself also. We are all dealing with the karmic web of our previous actions, it prescribes our behaviour. So each time you see in yourself reflected something negative, be and stay aware of it, be true to yourself and others about it, dont hide it in the shadows so it can start to exert an influence over you, push it into the light of awareness and let it be absolved by it. Then make the commitment to not do it again, thereby clearing your karma.


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: BBin]
    #983768 - 10/22/02 06:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think another way you could put it is...you never know why a person is being "mean"...so don't be so quick to assume that it is because they just enjoy ruining other people day, it may not be so personal.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #983828 - 10/22/02 06:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

i had no intention of coming off as an asshole Shroomalicious.

all i ment to say is that there is no right or wrong. i don't believe in killing, infact my one rule is don't kick other peoples dirt pile because i dont want them kicking mine. murder to some people is OK and i can see it why they believe that ... it is OK for them but not for me. so i wont do it .... im just judging myself. i've had people murdered in my family ... i've had my home invaded twice and held captive till they filled thier cups with our valubles ... i've been jumped numerous times ... i went through an ordeal where my uncle and brother were beaten up and threatened to be burned in front of me (the home invasion, first time)

i have seen all of this and it doesn't bother me. i wouldn't do these thing because i see the harm it's done to my mom but my mom (along with the rest of the family) have this really high moral code ... which i dont have for odd reason.

with the communist, nra, etc etc ... what i ment by that is people get really emotional about an ideal or concept dealing with politics, religion, or science. its all the same to me ... your dedicationg all your energy into one political, religious, or scientific dogma. spend enough time in one train of thought and thats how you will see the world. perfect example: i was watching the 700 club the other day (its on the christian channel TBN ... and its a show like 20/20, 60 minutes but with a christian theme)

well in india, schools have been put under privatization recently and a fundamental hindu group is taking most of them up. they enforce prayer to hindu gods and intolerances to any other religion. they teach thier kids is good to die for india. they were interviewing a speaker from inida (he a christian) and asked what they have to do. he hit many of good points ... the fundamental schools were teaching intolerance of other religions. this can cause a civil war in india between the muslims and hindus, their tensions are already high enough.

then he was asked how can we save india ... his answer "the gospal and teaching all of india the teaching of jesus, we have to save thier souls"

a whole 30 minutes of agreeing with the guy and at the end he missed the whole point. no religion is for all and forcing christian dogma on the whole of india is just the same as doing the same with hinduism and islam.

but then again its how he sees the world and i can see why he answered the question, his solution. his tunnel vision is just really strong one and so his answers come off strong. his universe, his earth, his country, his home, his social group ... himself. thats all it really is.

but thats what causes pain and strife .... and the truth is we need pain and strife to work against. progression! the reason thers so much drama in the world is because there really isn't really anything to do. remember playing house ... thats all life is, you play house your entire life.

its all just one big story to me and im playing my part. like i said the world is already perfect ... i have no problem with the world. its the best story ever.







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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Kemist]
    #983838 - 10/22/02 06:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

now im not pretending to be the next jesus ... just today i flipped some guy for cutting me off. im imperfect and i'm just trying to practice what i preach.


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Kemist]
    #983906 - 10/22/02 06:49 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I am really glad you explained yourself because after you did I can see that me and you see eye to eye for the most part. :smile: 


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #983908 - 10/22/02 06:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hi guys - umm the difference between true will and free will. Sclorch -IMHO jimi hendrix was in touch with his true will, picasso and einstein too plus a whole myriad of cultural icons. Obviously there are examples who aren?t i.e. David Hasslehoff (Cant put my finger on what it is about that guy that does my head in!).I think that true creativity comes from being in touch with your true will. I'm not saying these guys were enlightened beings, just that they were more accident prone to temporary connections with their true will. Many geniuses say the ideas just come to them, or the music just happened to me man! Also, i didn?t mention "God" although that?s not a bad word for it if it feels ok to you. I prefer true will, It?s purely aesthetic. All that really matter is you find a way of connecting with "it". Does it really matter what you call it? I think we all know we are describing the same thing as it reflects upon us in a million ways. Another metaphor for true will is that In terms of gaia we are mere cells. Individual cells that make up a planetary body, like the cells in our own bodies. When we connect with true will we are working for the "common good" so we will not pollute, kill, or destroy, because why would we destroy ourselves? If however we follow our free will then gaia is in for a rough ride. I.e. the environmental situation we are now in. Shroomalicious - when i say "common good" i can see that it is not a very good explanation. "Common good" in this sense is not something that is defined by an individulals supposed free will. People like stalin and hitler were imposing their own sick egos on people, and people were at a level where they were susceptible to this kind of manipulation. In terms of gaia though they were like cancer cells, where the cells program has a slight syntax error i.e. a very disturbed and sick ego.
In human terms hitler was a defective chromosome. This defect is then able to replicate itself through nuremburg rallies or however cancer cells spread in the human body. (i don't know how this occurs but i know cancer starts from one cell not running "the correct program" and then passes this defect on to other cells quickly)

For me also, the main thing that shows that the stalins and hitlers of this world are operating from free will as opposed to true will, is their heavy reliance on language. i.e. propaganda, public speaking.

True will IMHO does not communicate through language. It comes when you are being in the now. With no focus on past or present, empty not full of random thoughts.

Then again, perhaps hitler wasn?t defective. It may have just looked defective up close, from a human viewpoint. I?m not supporting the nazis here. I?m just saying that we can not know how true will operates.

At the end of the day, I gibber longtime! and all these words just cloud the view!



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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #983977 - 10/22/02 07:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:smirk: Shroomism, Ive just read your Hi Ho thread! we are definitely seeing slightly different reflections of the same thing!

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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: GazzBut]
    #984030 - 10/22/02 07:27 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

during the 50's and 60's ... american socialogists were trying to figure out why Hitler happened in the first place. i bet some of you know this test but some people got together and set up a test. the test went roughly like this.

there were 3 people people involved. 2 people who were aprt of and one who was really the test subject.

1st person ... the "scientist" running the test, really just a part of the test
2nd person ... the test subject, played the role as the teacher
3rd person ... the "student", same as the "scientist"

the test was set up so the teacher would run the console that had electrodes hooked up to the student. the console had switches that contolled how many volts ran through the electrodes ... it ran from slight shock to death labeled as XXX. the scientist oversaw the teacher and was there for final decision.

now the teachers job was to teach the student a list of words in a particular order. everytime the student screwed up the volts were up'd.

the truth of the matter was they were all in a in the "act" except for the teacher, the console was a fake and it didn't have any shocking capabilities. the student screwed up on purpose so the real test was how far would the teacher go in up'ing the volts. everytime the teacher objected to turning up the the volts the scientist was there to convince him otherwise, people struggled but went with the flow of things anyways. 65% of of the teachers ... the test subjects ... went all the way to XXX, Death!

this is how the holocaust happened. the test subjects were infact very moral people .. they were barbers, cops, preachers, mothers ... your everyday people. just like nazi germany, not everbody was in the act.



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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Kemist]
    #985575 - 10/23/02 03:56 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent post Kemist because people often don't realise that. Hitler wasn't a non-human, he was just a dude...he wasn't a myth, he was real. He was a person, and people are all around us and it can happen again. Just because someone is a good speaker, doesn't mean he is moral. Hitler never said "I am evil" or "I want to kill all jews". He would say things like he wanted to "purify the world" and "perfect Germany" and would often spat off speaches about hope and a better world.

Furthermore, I think he wanted the best for the world. In his own (IMO) compeletly messed way he thought he was making the world a better place, I think. Obviously I think he is evil because he believed HE knew what was best for EVERYONE else and he saw an entire race of people as nothing more than a detriment to "real" people.

My point is...everyone (just about) wants a better world, it is what you do to get that world that seperates the Mahatma Ghandis from the Hitlers.

At least that is my opinion.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: GazzBut]
    #985580 - 10/23/02 03:59 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Shroomism, Ive just read your Hi Ho thread! we are definitely seeing slightly different reflections of the same thing!

I am Shroomalicious...you are looking for ShroomISM...check two doors down.  :grin:


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #985583 - 10/23/02 04:00 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I agree that the world is indeed "perfect" because it simply exists.... whats objectively more "perfect" than how things already are?

Once I learned to love whatever comes ("have a good time all the time" kinda thing..), I realized this. Its already perfect and even if we blow up this entire planet, they will be perfect deaths and explosions, with beautiful shroomey-clouds ;-P

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the only thing that will "improve" the world or "better" it will be a new type of language which more accurately and less candidly expresses thoughts (and that will come, and it will be just as "perfect" as things are now.. we can always find discomfort if we're looking for it)


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #985618 - 10/23/02 04:28 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

It was late last night! aplogies.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: GazzBut]
    #985671 - 10/23/02 05:10 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Lucky for you, I have a big heart...I suppose I can muster up the required amount of forgiveness.  :wink:


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #985714 - 10/23/02 05:53 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:grin: Thats just the sort of behaviour we will be needing in the new and perfect world!! 


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: GazzBut]
    #985923 - 10/23/02 09:29 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Its already perfect and even if we blow up this entire planet, they will be perfect deaths and explosions, with beautiful shroomey-clouds ;-P

thats what im saying ... what a perfect end to the story of man. hope i have front row tickets!

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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Kemist]
    #989152 - 10/24/02 11:19 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I agree, we cant improve the world as it is already perfect, perfect but not complete. We still have to flow with the moment, which may lead us into places which could be said to be "better" than where we were previously, but obviously all the perfect moments prior to that will have lead us there!

Strumpling - I agree that we need a new form of language, and the psychedelic experience always seems to be forcing us to try and express things beyond our vocabulary - how do you see this new language taking shape?


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: GazzBut]
    #989188 - 10/24/02 11:54 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

honestly i think mckenna was right - "visual" language shall arrise - as it is already.

You're looking at visual language right now

:tongue: :grin: :smirk: :confused: :laugh: :mad: :smile: :cool:

We're working on it...


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: GazzBut]
    #989464 - 10/24/02 01:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

telepathy


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: In(di)go]
    #989795 - 10/24/02 04:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

telepathy sounds iffy to me

language is thought expressed with words society more or less has agreed to express thiers thoughts.

so if we start using telepathy could we still keep our thoughts to ourselves? if so, people are still able communicate and really mean something else, the delivery is just different.

if every thought can be read well i wouldnt want to be in a big group of people.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: In(di)go]
    #996172 - 10/27/02 04:13 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ya, I am with you and McKenna on the visual language thing man.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #996452 - 10/27/02 11:06 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

How to acheive a perfect world.....
its already been going strong for over 15 years....
come to burning man last week of october first week of september black rock desert nevada....
its the closest thing to a perfect world on this planet....

30,000+ people
fully working city
no money allowed
ART!!!
FREEDOM!!!
LOVE!!!
LIFE!!!

granted, there are problems, but this ISINT a perfect world... but burning man is the closest thing to it ive ever expirenced....

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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #996872 - 10/27/02 02:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Perfection is boring,
And leaves nothing to improve upon,
Which is in my opinion, half the fun anyway.
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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #997061 - 10/27/02 04:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

you want a perfect world......well look around you, we should be grateful

or another way, many people would have to have a change of heart, people would have to relinquesh there views and dogma, no bias what so ever, with no bias and no preferences tolerance goes up to no end. i guess


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: CleverName]
    #997345 - 10/27/02 06:45 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

you want a perfect world......well look around you, we should be grateful

Just because I want a perfect world with no poverty, death or suffering doesn't mean I am not grateful for what I have and what the world already is.

or another way, many people would have to have a change of heart, people would have to relinquesh there views and dogma, no bias what so ever, with no bias and no preferences tolerance goes up to no end. i guess

I don't think a perfect world would contain people being forced to give up there views. A perfect world would allow people to be individuals...it would not mean that everyone had exactly the same opinions, it would simply mean people knew their opinions were not fact and that a disagreement is absolutely no need to argue. Certain peopl would have to have a change of heart, but in a perfect world it would because they would geniunely see the harm they have done, not because they would be forced.

If I believed a perfect world could only be acheived once everyone thought in sync, I would be adopting the most basic Satanic principal. One that was embraced by some of history's most opressive society, like the Nazi's for one. Not only is it my opinion that it is morally wrong, it is a system of Government that has been a totally failure.

Every individual brings a different beautiful color to the world, that should add to the harmony, not be a reason for malice.

I am very glad you brought out your views so I could clear up that misconception. Thanks a lot. :smile: 


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #997417 - 10/27/02 07:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

my post wasnt meant to you directly, and i said WE should be thankful, and that goes for everyone, im not picking on you or anything.
also, i never once said force, but i did say people would have to have a change of heart. im not down with violence, or oppression. you basically agreed with what i said in your second paragraph. like you say, we are all one, when people are able to see themselves in everything and see everything in themselves, then i believe id enjoy that society a whole lot.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: CleverName]
    #997428 - 10/27/02 07:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"I am very glad you brought out your views so I could clear up that misconception"
-look man, im sorry if you dont agree with my views, but they arent misconceptions, thats like saying whatever i said is wrong....tsk tsk, the perfect society starts with YOU


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world... [Re: CleverName]
    #1000518 - 10/28/02 06:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Man, electronic communication blows!

I DO NOT think your views are a miscommunication. I think we miscommunicated because you believed that I believed something I didn't.

The miscommunication was that me and you actually do agree, and my points were not illustrated clearly enough.

I don't have a problem with your opinions.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: In(di)go]
    #1012366 - 11/01/02 06:49 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

About the visual language thing...

Do you think that if people 110% understood everyone else that their would be no argument?

In other words do you believe that there is a truth and that everything but that is untrue?

Interesting rhetorical questions...


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #1013954 - 11/01/02 07:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

110%? :wink: I get your idea  :grin:

Well yeah I think if we all understood everybody else there would certainly be less war..... however evil people would still arise, and even though you could understand what they were up to, one could still not APPROVE of what they were up to, so I suppose wars WOULD continue...

With complete understanding of somebody else, one will usually want to change that person they understand so well.


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Re: Thoughts on how to achieve the perfect world.. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1014130 - 11/01/02 09:17 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No there will be NO WARS in world peace, because in the end of the last millienum humans will understand the control paradigm, they will learn its easyer to control humanity if you split them up (skin color, politics, religon) and pit them agianst each other.



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