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Explaining Karma (random ponderings)
    #7115448 - 07/01/07 06:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7115493 - 07/01/07 06:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.audiodharma.org/mp3files/2007-04-29_GilFronsdal_EffortAndKarma.m3u

This guy describes Karma better. Given he has been studying Buddhism for a long time.

You did a better job then most of the hippies on here though. They seem to view Karma as some magical force that balances out human actions based on human desires.

For example, so and son punched me in the face therefore, they will have bad Karma. Since they have bad karma from punching me in the face, something even worse will happen to them, because karma is apparently regulating things in such a way, according to hippies. This doesn't sound to far from a deity regulating reality for humans to me.

All in all, I'll say I agree though your explanation could be more well thought out.

Then again, so could mine.


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7115595 - 07/01/07 06:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

the idea of karmic roots and karmic results are reduced to a very simple level in abhidhamma.

there are simply only 3 roots
negative , neutral or positive.
the 3 roots produce 3 results
pain, indifference or pleasure

the karmic result of pain is associated with the negative karmic roots
the karmic result of pleasure is associated with the positive karmic roots
the karmic results of indifference are associated with neutral karmic roots.

the negative roots are simply Hatred Greed and Delusion
the positive roots are simply Love Compassion and Clarity

there is no other karma except for the ongoing and fairly instant continuum or connection between moral roots and moral results.

the moral aspect of association between roots and results is inherent in every flowing moment of personality or consciousness.

Eg. carrying the moral weight of guilt (negative karmic roots), pain reigns where pleasure could rise.


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7115868 - 07/01/07 07:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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We all know what karma is. It's a pretty black and white concept.




Just because you assert that, doesn't make it so. You've likely missed countless discussions regarding this in this forum. :smirk:


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7116207 - 07/01/07 10:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i'm sorry i couldn't read the posts here.

just wanted to say that the secret to karma is that its instantaneous


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7116313 - 07/01/07 10:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Well consider this. Karma, by nature is one of the laws of physics. Not directly, but physics does tell us that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.





*BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!*

As usual, no need to read further when the poster gets so far off the track so early in his/her diatribe.

1. There are NO indirect laws of physics.

2. Physics talks of energy and matter; it says nothing of morality or good and bad which are subjective judgements.


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7116330 - 07/01/07 10:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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It's a pretty black and white concept. If you do good, good will come, if you do bad, the you'll get bad in return.




It is amazing how many errors can you cram into a few sentences.

Good and bad is black & white, eh? Please give a clear digital guideline that everyone will agree upon so that we may judge each action to be good or bad.


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7116810 - 07/02/07 12:09 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7116869 - 07/02/07 12:20 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Good and bad are murky, but the idea of karma is clear? Sorry, does not compute. Uncertain inputs can not give a certain output unless the output is a constant 1 or 0.

Once again karma has zero relationship to physics. PERIOD. NONE. ZIP. ZILCH. NADA. NICHTS. NYET.

Have you ACTUALLY studied the Laws of Thermodynamics or are just spouting some mystical BS you read somewhere? Where does Newton speak of morality in his treatise? Understanding is much more powerful than parroting. Energy has a very specific meaning and does not equal feel-good or 'negative' vibes or whatever.


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7117128 - 07/02/07 01:13 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Man Karma is an interesting thing to ponder. Its a great conspiricy theory like all religion. I never really tried to grasp the technicalities of Karma, not because the concept is uninteresting, but because it seems overwealming. It seems like karma is the last thing you really understand as a buddhist, dont you think? It seems like you shouldnt be able to get it, untill you understand it all, or that when you get it then you get everything else. Anyways lately ive found it interesting to look at eastern spirituality as proportional. See, it kind of makes sense, because what i find asthe most intriguing, and encompassing concept of eastern thought is relativism. Everything is denominated by something else at all times. I like the way you put alot of these ideas Sticky, so just for shits and giggles Im gonna convert what you said to proportions.



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We all know what karma is. It's a pretty black and white concept. If you do good, good will come, if you do bad, the you'll get bad in return. Some of us believe in this quite strongly, others argue "well how come good things can happen to bad people" or just otherwise don't feel that's how the world works.



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Well first, Obviously Im going to disagree that its a black and white concept. Look at all the possibilities of incarnation, just here on earth. What would be better, a cat, a cow, or a manatea? Good vs Bad? Im not even sure this applies.

If you mean by big 100/1 vs small 1/100 i kind of get what your saying. This duality might exist, but when most people think in black and white, they have not even taken in to consideration the denominator, which can easily make the numerator an absolute joke. Instead they might just think 10000000 is a big number, but in relation to a possibly infinite universe 10000000 isnt jack shit.

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Well consider this. Karma, by nature is one of the laws of physics. Not directly, but physics does tell us that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.



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I tend to agree this. Everything seeks equilibrium, whether its through growth or decay. Hmmm maybe there is some point of singularity, or absolute, that the universe is continually striving for, which would be 1/1. Or 10/10 or 100000000000000/1000000000000000.  What is singularity? :shrug:
Are we already a singularity and dont even realize it?


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People have a very flawing tendency, a very understandable tendency, but a flawing one none the less. People still sometimes forget that the world isn't the center of the universe. People still sometimes forget that Earth can not be considered a model to base your understanding of how the entire universe works, because the truth is that the earth merely represents maybe as much of the universe as 1 person represents the entire population. Earth is merely one floating cluster of molecules crammed together which have bonded in such a way as to form incredibly solid rock due to special conditions at a given moment in a given place, it is subject to the forces of the universe, and it is influenced by every action of every electron of every atom around it in a string of cause and effect reactions on a sub-atomic scale.



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Yea I agree were nothing special. Or maybe we all are.... hahah

People tend to forget that that they have a denominator, which is possibly, and to my understanding, probably infinite. Does this mean that any thought, relationship, and experience, utterly meaningless? ---> If your measuring how big they are, yes. If your measuring how close to singularity...

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In this sense, we can take a new approach to the idea of karma, viewing it beyond the boundaries that once limited it to influencing our lives and the world, and we can start viewing it on a much more logical, realistic, and visualizable level of cause and effect reactions due to the actions we make. For every action the atoms of and around us make, there is an equal and opposite reaction, carrying out as a string of reactions throughout the universe. We are directly connected to the rest of the universe through a string of cause and effect reactions that can begin on one of the universe and slowly make their way through the universe until they reach us.



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We can always conceptually be part of a whole, no matter what way you think.

1/1

Even if reality is infinite. Think about it if the universe is infinite, so are you.

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With this consideration, does it not seem logical to say that we are, in some part responsible for the actions and events in the universe? Could we not say that collectively as a species we can have a great influence on the events in the universe? I mean we've already completely changed the chemistry balance of a planet through our direct actions. If our planet were to give off particals of matter or something into space, then this matter would interact with other matter and would cause impact the chain of long-term events in the universe.



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Heheh I like this. Every single atom is in its own way the very center of the universe, affected by, and affecting everything. Explains many of the delusions of grandeur doesnt it? Although 1/infinity may seem meaningless, it really isnt. Its really infinity over infinity.

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Basically what I'm saying is that I think the idea of Karma has been viewed too materialistically. People follow it hoping to get good in their lives. The follow it under the assumption that for some reason the universe will bend around them, for them. Instead I feel that people should view it as a responsibility to the universe. Stop causing more chaotic reactions in the universe, and there will be less cause and effect reactions in the unverse resulting from a chaotic influence and will help the universe run itself more smoothly and calmly.



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Hmmm if i could just convert ethics to numbers...

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Of course being such a small part of the universe, it's really impossible to say what would be a bad reaction to put out all the time, but I think it's safe to say that certain things definitely seem to cause a lot of chaos in the universe. War, deceit, corruption, they all have small scale universal influences of these cause and effect reactions that we can see here where we stand. They show themselves in the frustration caused by chemical reactions shutting down in the brain to cause hatred and violence in people. They show themselves in the way our world unfolds as it happens.



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Meh more ethics...

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I'm not so much arguing the existance of Karma here, I'm arguing that the whole universe follows one of the most basic laws of physics and that for thousands of years people have completely ignored that, foccusing on only the universe surrounding them to assess their existance and influences. Too many people assume that just because something bad doesn't happen to them that they're not doing anything wrong. Too many people assume that because someone has done them wrong that revenge is a justified solution.



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I get ya man. Sure, not in a literal sense, but I actually see these laws as  very poetic. To me a "law of relativity" explains pretty much everyhting, not just literal science. Equal and opposite reaction is damn good too:thumbup:


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I don't know, I think we all just have to take a little more responsibility for our actions and start to realize that unless we collectively calm down and start being held accountable for what we do, we're just going to keep making the world a much more chaotic place. Otherwise things will never slow down enough to find a balance.

Just some random thoughts, I never really believed in Karma myself, but I guess viewing it from a more down to earth view of cause and effect reactions rather than a mystical force helps make sense of it to me a bit. Just thought I'd share my thoughts, get some opinions.




Yea, same here, no need to analyze it too much i think, as im wasted right now. Just discovered an awesome drink: Vodka and white grapefruit juice.  :cheers:

Cool post man.


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7117262 - 07/02/07 01:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7117326 - 07/02/07 02:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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You don't have to define good and evil to tell somebody what the philosophy of karma is.



Karma is based upon good and evil, but one can understand karma without understanding the basics behind it? Sorry, this does not follow.

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Why does it even matter if Newton spoke of morality.



It only matters if you are going to use his laws as an explanation of how karma works.

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Way to contribute to the open-minded image this community tries to send off.



How does this personalism help to clarify your stance?

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If our choices and their outcomes are caused by reactions of atoms in one way or another, then Karma simply follows a complex scientific logic.



You are commingling 'causation' - a fact, with karma, a baseless philosophy.

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I think that comparing physics and Karma at the beginning was wrong,



Yet, you lash out for your misconception being pointed out.

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So yeah, sorry I'm not a walking encyclopedia full of every shred of detail there is to know about science.



Apology accepted.

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I'm pretty sure I could find a lot that you don't know absolutely everything about but talk about anyways.



When you encounter such statements from me, I sincerely hope you point out such an error.

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At least I'm thinking about new ideas and trying to view things in a way that I can relate to in order to understand them better rather than just yelling at people because I don't understand their thinking.



Yelling?

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and have asked politely already that you stop focusing on the small details and focus more on my line of thinking.



The errors I pointed at are not mere details, but the underlying fundamental.

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So please, if all you want to do is give me a hard time for not knowing everything there is to know to write up a 50+ page post to fully explain every single possible detail with full scientific evidence and explanation, then stop replying.



A hard time? Do you fail to understand the nature of philosophic debate? If you so choose, put me on IGNORE, but I feel free to reply to any post I choose. When You become a mod then you may censure me.

Amazingly, I never take umbrage when someone cares enough to attempt to respond intelligently to any of my posts.

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Otherwise just accept the fact that I'm working with



Once again, I never accept something as factual based upon a poster's say-so.

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what knowledge of science I do have, which with me taking an interest in science is more than most people have to start with.



Please reference how you know most people's level of scientific knowledge - or do you just make stuff up?

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you've given me a hard time for it.



Challenging an idea is the basis of this forum and has nothing to do with giving you a hard time. Taking counterpoint personally is just silly.

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I don't mind criticism,



Even though you have made a dozen statements contrary to this.


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7117398 - 07/02/07 02:36 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Orgone just made some valid points. This forum is intended for the open discussion of ideas, and one needs to be receptive to any alternate or critical viewpoints of one's ideas for effective discussion in this forum. Any aspect of one's ideas are open to dissent in this forum, and it is not appropriate to direct comments towards the personal nature of the poster presenting any idea or perspective. The Mysticism, Religion, and Paranormal forum is intended for discussion of similar topics but with different manners of discussion, although I personally hold the opinion that it is incredibly healthy for one's ideas to be entirely open to peer review, as they deem fit to review it, within the outlined forum rules, of course. :grin:


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7117485 - 07/02/07 03:09 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7117556 - 07/02/07 03:28 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Alright, alright, I'm wrong, it's impossible for Karma to be explainable because there's no guidelines of good and evil.




And thus the thread ends :cheer: (unless reincarnation is factual).


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7117599 - 07/02/07 03:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7117664 - 07/02/07 04:01 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

So karma is the principle that action has subsequent consequences, which may or may not lie dependent upon "previous incarnations"?

Okay, so why does it need further explanation? :tongue:


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    #7117687 - 07/02/07 04:09 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7117701 - 07/02/07 04:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Once again, I am confused by your post. Are you saying that the dictionary negates any need for philosophic debate or that everything in the dictionary is factual?

I found a definition for Santa Claus. What does that tell us?


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7117708 - 07/02/07 04:19 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You mean Santa doesn't exist? :frown:


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7117741 - 07/02/07 04:32 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7117743 - 07/02/07 04:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I actually brought that up before he did because I wanted him to have an argument to give rather than just saying I was wrong....




He didn't "just" say you were "wrong". He proposed alternate viewpoints to specific ideas that you proposed for discussion. You, instead of choosing to respond to these viewpoints on an ideaological level, have simply decided to discuss his personal nature, which, of course, is not the purpose and intention of this forum.

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and he replied to me by saying that I was just parroting mystical BS.




Did he? I have a feeling you weren't reading that closely, because he actually asked you a question.

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Have you ACTUALLY studied the Laws of Thermodynamics or are just spouting some mystical BS you read somewhere?




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All I ask for is a little respect when taking the time to share an idea with the community.




This is a debate-orientated forum. Your perception of not receiving enough respect is simply debate as usual. The rules of this forum specifically prohibit flaming and personalisms. If you are emotionally dissatisfied with how others choose to debate your ideas, then perhaps you should consider other forums in which to post them. :shrug:


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7117755 - 07/02/07 04:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7117767 - 07/02/07 04:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I believe most debaters here realize that the word 'karma' is in the dictionary and has a definition. The question is not whether or not the word exists, but whether or not the concept behind it has any basis or makes any rational sense at all.


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7117852 - 07/02/07 05:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7117997 - 07/02/07 07:11 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

the moral aspects of good and bad, or positive and negative, are not energies per se, if they were then the idea of physics might come closer.

we can say everything is energy and make everything into a kind of physics. but it would not be accurate to just jam everything in that bag.

the moral attributes of positive and negative are essentially associative, or tagged or tags (to make them more material for discussion's sake - but don't think physics).

the whole moral layer of karma works because our minds are associative. It acts miraculously to trigger self reward and punishment, damping or extending the feelings of pleasure and damping or extending feelings of pain.

sensory and memory experiences have body sensation that can start pleasure or pain feelings. Karma is the moral pump that reinforces the feelings according to the disposition of the person, i.e. which roots they have permitted to take hold.

except for abhidhamma's description of karma, which I have just simplified, all other discussions of karma are babytalk and nonsense, which has been used by masters for aeons to motivate the lower castes, in the same way that christian leaders have used heaven and hell to influence the behavior of the masses, and to make them fight in wars.


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    #7118194 - 07/02/07 10:13 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7118320 - 07/02/07 11:13 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

So nobody enjoyed my ramblings?:sad:


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7118386 - 07/02/07 11:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

This is a gem i read in a book about Karma (AGHORA III: The Law of Karma - Robert Svoboda)

If you donate one of your family member's eyes to a blind person, and that person then goes on to rape a woman, not only does he gets bad karma, you would also be getting bad karma, because you made it possible for him to get sight.

If this were true, then nobody would come forward to help others. It is just plain ridiculous.


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: shakercee]
    #7118760 - 07/02/07 01:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If I understand your POV, one might as well join in the rape...


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7118817 - 07/02/07 01:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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But could you not argue that the reason their mind will allow them to take certain moral routes as opposed to others is caused by the construct and chemistry within the brain? If the structure and chemistry isn't there to allow a reaction, then it wont occur. I guess it starts boiling down to a question of 'free will' almost at this point. And if the reason our minds associate the way that they do is due to the physical and chemical makeup of our minds? And with this said, is it that far of a jump to consider morality as well to be determined by the chemical and physical structure of the brain (keeping in mind that the brain is constantly changing). I agree that morality does not take a manifested form of energy or anything, but that morality is determined in a person by the chemistry and physical workings of their mind. Basically, if you knew everything about the human brain there was to know, and everything about science, then if you could take a photograph of a person in an environment through a camera that could capture the velocity of electrons and atoms, then you could determine what they were thinking about at that moment which made them perform the action leading to the following event, as well as all the science at play within their bodies and the environment around them to make this work. If you continued expanding this picture over a larger environment with more objects, then theoretically you could apply the same logic on a significantly larger scale with far more subjects monitored, and you could perhaps predict the actions of a town's population through the day to a certain margin of error (since that still wouldn't be a universal measurement of this) by running a computer simulation programmed with all the laws that govern atomic reactions, and inputting an atomic picture of an event and subject, the computer would be able to show a logical cause and effect reaction between absolutely everything around the subject influencing everything at once. From our thoughts of being hungry in the morning to getting run down by a car on your way to get breakfast.

Of course that's far too small of an example to actually be able to express in this matter without perhaps an image of the entire country, but there's no point in arguing the technical accuracies of something impossible at this point.




I would say that you oversimplify and attribute to "chemistry" what is much more complex.
the brain structure and living behavior of finding common motifs and using them to bind in new memories is a complex systemic thing that is "influenced" by chemicals in the soup, but not controlled by them except when dosage or etiology is extreme.

the normal operation of brain could be called baseline activity.
the chemicals you are thinking about modulate baseline, (by increasing or decreasing localized signal vibrance) but these chemicals are not the living process of motif abstraction and associative memory management. they are just like filters or stimulants to the ongoing baseline ativity.

moral conditioning or association is like the internalization of all social interaction in a person's life. it is a thing worthy of psychological attention and study.

the stories of human life are hugely important, and life is so short.

and yes, daytripper1, I liked your analysis of the funny energy theory and your abstractions into ethics which are more intellectual than the knee jerk karma/guilt complex


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7122050 - 07/03/07 01:03 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



Edited by StickyWater (04/29/08 03:28 PM)


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: StickyWater]
    #7122471 - 07/03/07 02:13 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

the shape of the brain is a pretty constant thing
morphologically the changes due to learning are like thickennings of some branches
within a hugly dense neuron forest, forming very subtle localised energy potentiations,
facilitating re-excitation should a simmilar motif appear.
(this is conditioning, habit formation, memory formation)

any chemical effects are gross modulators, i.e. non specific to signal content (motif),
more related to system state.(i.e. more or less resonant, more or less euphoric)

maybe you missed nothing


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7123565 - 07/03/07 12:18 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

:yesnod: that idea was never mentioned in the book :lol:


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Re: Explaining Karma (random ponderings) [Re: shakercee]
    #7124209 - 07/03/07 02:51 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Karma to me is when all of yourself and what you mean to yourself is exposed in the moment you cannot excape. Karma is a few degrees off from coincidences and synchronicities. It is a braintrick, or mindtool and has its purposes just like many of the mysterious chemical and electrical reactions are brain pulls off every nanosecond.


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