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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Cracka_X]
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according to mekenna and the mayans we more more like near the end of the line graph and its fixed points rather then infinte


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: thedudenj]
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My graph is our point in the universe. like we're just an occurance that is happening in between neg infinity and pos infinity


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Cracka_X]
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According to our dear friend Deepak Chopra (and others, I'm sure), each of us is at the center of infinite time, which extends forward and backwards from "here", forever.

I tend to disagree. Time is not infinite. Time is only the measurement of change and is thus based on materiality. When there are no more material things (for you, me and/or everyone) there will be no time.

All material things were created at some point, then they continue on for awhile and then they die (or are destroyed). This applies to EVERYTHING physical and thus to physicality itself. Time is, therefore, not infinite, but very damn close.

We are, of course, at the center of our own universes.

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Pulsating]
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Quote:
All material things were created at some point, then they continue on for awhile and then they die (or are destroyed). This applies to EVERYTHING physical and thus to physicality itself. Time is, therefore, not infinite, but very damn close


According to the law of conservation of mass, matter cannot be created nor destroyed.

There is no true center, just micro centers within a grand macroplace that has centers randomly throughout it. Or at least that's how I see it so far.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Cracka_X]
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All just ideas. Reality is not an idea. It's you.

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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sure


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

Edited by Cracka_X (06/10/07 12:11 AM)

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Cracka_X]
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Isnt it conservation of mass and energy, Wherein mass can be converted to energy and possibly vice versa? I personally cant see a destruction, or an end, as pulsating was describing, but maybe if all matter was converted to energy or vice versa, the universe would reach some form of absolution. Sounds very unlikely but its a theory i guess. Anyways Ive never taken a physics course in my life so maybe thats just silly.

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Cracka_X]
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Cracka_X said:
Quote:
All material things were created at some point, then they continue on for awhile and then they die (or are destroyed). This applies to EVERYTHING physical and thus to physicality itself. Time is, therefore, not infinite, but very damn close


According to the law of conservation of mass, matter cannot be created nor destroyed.

There is no true center, just micro centers within a grand macroplace that has centers randomly throughout it. Or at least that's how I see it so far.


According to that "law" you are right.

But is everything "modern science" tells us actual and true?

If you explained many things that are "normal" to us in 2007 to someone in 1907, it is likely they would think you are describing impossibilities AND that you were quite insane.

I tend to go with my observations as opposed to what some politician (making goofy laws about plants) or scientist tells me, but that's just me.

Edit: And if something exists right now it must have been created at some point in the past...which, destroys the "law" of conservation of matter right there.


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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." ― Plato

"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

Edited by Pulsating (06/10/07 12:23 AM)

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: daytripper23]
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You know whats even funner, think about infinity relative to size. Look how nuclie protons and electrons structures and relationships reflect planets, moons and stars. interesting.....

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Pulsating]
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Pulsating said:
Edit: And if something exists right now it must have been created at some point in the past...which, destroys the "law" of conservation of matter right there.


Why throw out the possibility of infinity in this sense? Saying there is no beginning or end to the universe is no more far fetched than saying there is no beginning or end to time. Maybe its me, but it seems like they go hand in hand.

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Pulsating]
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Quote:
Isnt it conservation of mass and energy


i've heard it both ways, but either way.

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If you explained many things that are "normal" to us in 2007 to someone in 1907, it is likely they would think you are describing impossibilities AND that you were quite insane.



You're so right, BUT in this instance I find it difficult to believe things were JUST created.  Maybe all the materials existed and they slowly combined over a very long time.  The larger the grew the more mass they had and the greater their gravitational force and then whatever.  Reactions upon reactions and so on, I don't know...  I don't know where to go when talking about astronomy and it's so astonishing to think about that I think I'd go mad if I majored in it.

But as for my bias answer, I still stand by that all matter has been here from whenever whence ago.  maybe i'll just express it with -oo yrs ago. :smile:

Quote:
Saying there is no beginning or end to the universe is no more far fetched than saying there is no beginning or end to time. Maybe its me, but it seems like they go hand in hand.



I like it


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Cracka_X]
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Cracka_X said:
Quote:
Isnt it conservation of mass and energy


i've heard it both ways, but either way.

Quote:
If you explained many things that are "normal" to us in 2007 to someone in 1907, it is likely they would think you are describing impossibilities AND that you were quite insane.



You're so right, BUT in this instance I find it difficult to believe things were JUST created.  Maybe all the materials existed and they slowly combined over a very long time.  The larger the grew the more mass they had and the greater their gravitational force and then whatever.  Reactions upon reactions and so on, I don't know...  I don't know where to go when talking about astronomy and it's so astonishing to think about that I think I'd go mad if I majored in it.

But as for my bias answer, I still stand by that all matter has been here from whenever whence ago.  maybe i'll just express it with -oo yrs ago. :smile:


It's the ultimate quest to find these (and a few other) answers.

Ahhh fuck it, I'm just gonna watch TV!

Seriously though, it's late and I'm tired. Thanks for the fun convo, see you all tomorrow.


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"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." ― Plato

"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

"Nature is ancient, but surprises us all." - Björk

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Pulsating]
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haha true. night man


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: infinities within infinities [Re: Cracka_X]
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yeah im a firm believer in that the philosophers were pretty accurate in saying in calling space the heavens and that it has a flow with astrology and that space is like a giant body system like our circulatory system. we are space condensed and in a different form just a microcosm or something of that such

math=material reality
Geometry is supreme


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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