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OfflineWhiteRabbitt
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If the universe is infinite
    #6017235 - 09/01/06 10:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

then does that mean that there are also an infinite number of combinations for life and existence? What I mean is if the universe is infinite, does everything that we can think of or imagine exist? Would dragons, elves, angels, goblins, monsters, magic, space ships, flying potatos all exist at some place or time?


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #6017240 - 09/01/06 10:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I suppose the limit(as a mathematical term) of that statement would be yes.


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #6017252 - 09/01/06 10:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Imaginary dragons, elves, and angels all exist and they all have their own imaginations.

There are no limitations to no lmitations.

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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6017374 - 09/01/06 11:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

and so on, and so forth..


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #6017424 - 09/01/06 12:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

and there is no end of my love for jesus


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #6017519 - 09/01/06 02:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> does everything that we can think of or imagine exist?

No, it only means that everything that we can think of (and everything that we cannot think of) has the potential to exist, not that it must, or does exist.


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #6017521 - 09/01/06 02:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The universe is not infinite. Infinity is not a quality that pertains to space-time, to creation. The universe is bounded and its boundary is about 15 billion light years from its assumed epicenter (point of creation from the Singularity). Of course the boundary is expanding, and theoretically it can be said that it could expand forever unless acted upon by other forces (not necessarily in a Newtonian sense). It could collapse, return to the Singularity, and perhaps start all over again - ad infinitum. A paradox.

Anything one can imagine already exists as mind, what you seem to be asking is whether any potential thought can exist in physical space-time. It all seems a matter of relativity to me. God 'dreams' the universe in all its complexity and it does manifest in space-time while we dream and things manifest in mind.


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6017600 - 09/01/06 04:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I dont see how it could ever have a limit. The way i think of it is as follows, a volume of 'space' is nothing but we can give it a definative name for it as a volume of space in which mass and energy can exist. Now if there is a limit to the universe that must mean that there is 'nothing' beyond the edge of this expanding universe, hense making it limitless. does that make sence? just my little theory :P
i think about this crap all the time and scrambles my head, lol


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: zeegos]
    #6017637 - 09/01/06 04:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Everything that is unknown is in conclusion unmeasurable, and many times unmeasurable is taken as infinite. It doesn't necessarily means that it has an end or not. The school of Pythagoras tried to find harmony through numbers, making music by numbers and give a definition and delimitation to the Universe, yes, by numbers. Only they got a little lost when they came to the conclusion that each fraction put to give a formula to the Universe became unmeasurable, and since the we are confronting the same problem


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #6017698 - 09/01/06 05:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"There is no limit, but the limit!"
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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: Gomp]
    #6017755 - 09/01/06 05:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"If". :grin:

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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6018297 - 09/01/06 09:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Not everything has the formality of actually occuring :wink:

Something that terrence mckenna qouted an old timer saying.


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #6018379 - 09/01/06 09:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The universe isn't infinite :smirk:


If it was...then yes that would be true. It's not...so it isn't.


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: trendal]
    #6018387 - 09/01/06 09:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Trendal!  I guess I missed the welcome back post...welcome back buddy :smile:


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: TODAY]
    #6018397 - 09/01/06 09:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Only half back thus far... :wink:




I'm typing with my left hand :smirk:


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: trendal]
    #6018422 - 09/01/06 09:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

... at a rate of 87 wpm....

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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: trendal]
    #6018429 - 09/01/06 09:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Now that's dedication!  I'm hoping you get that stubborn side back in order asap.
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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: zeegos]
    #6019300 - 09/02/06 01:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The boundary, if something could overcome its expansion, cannot be penetrated. One would theoretically attempt a straight line from somewhere within the universe but hit the curvature of space-time. The universe does not exist within infinite space. Space is not separate from time. Space-time is expanding, but there is no such thing as 'outside' the boundary of the universe. At that point, physics turns metaphysical. I like to think, with the Kabbalists, that the universe is like an 'contractile vacuole' in an amoeba. The contractile vacuole is a bubble that forms when the cytoplasm of the amoeba retacts from a point, forming a hollow space. There is a limit to how large the bubble can get because the amoeba is limited by its size. What if the amoeba was Infinitely large? Well, a physical amoeba can't be Infinite, but something else can be (at least in concept) and that is God. The Mind of God surrounds the universe (Kabbalistically speaking) and the universe could seemingly expand forever without diminishing God, because God alone is Infinite. However, Infinity and Eternity do NOT mean endless space and endless time. Infinity is not a measure of duration. In addition, since there was a time in which the universe did not exist, it cannot be said to have been created, and then to 'become' Infinite and Eternal. These words do not apply to something spacial and temporal - there is origin and therefore end, by necessity.

Anyway, the physics at the boundary must surely be different than at points within the boundary. If the boundary is expanding at the speed of light, and if nothing can exceed the speed of light, then there is no sentience at the newer parts of the expanding universe to observe the boundary. The so-called boundary or edge would always appear as a receding horizon, if it could be observed. Einstein said that if a body attained to the speed of light, it would achieve "infinite mass," which might mean one thing to the mathematician, another to a quantum physicist, but to a mystic it would seem (in achieving Infinity) Oneness with God.

What is particularly mind-blowing [Nirvanic?!] to me is that the Infinitely large and the Infinitely small are Identical! Infinity utterly transcends any qualifiers such as large or small. One leaves space-time in Infinity.

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6019614 - 09/02/06 02:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

that little flash thing almost made me cry...

if that isn't ego crushing, I dunno what is.


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Re: If the universe is infinite [Re: Syle]
    #6020430 - 09/02/06 07:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ah, but Realizing that you and I are you and I because 'we' are 'pinched off' from the Mind that created all of it is strictly Enlightening. It is like we are goldfish in a fishbowl that is sitting on the bottom of the sea. "In Christ we live and move and have our being."


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