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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: Gumby]
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Should not have even posted that i knew it would bring on a fight. Has nothing to do with ego hot i just know alot of people on here post false info on finds, Ive seen it. If you did in fact find some congrats, I dont claim to be the king of anything especially weilii so thats a joke. As far as weather being different dont be stupid the weather has been exactly the same over there as it has been here. At any rate if they are up already this is definately the earliest ive ever heard of them growing. Interesting.


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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: jpea14]
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Like gumby said, there is a very distinct smell. Once you find a couple, it will get much easier for you to ID them. You can find them growing from pinestraw over soil, or straight from the grass. They grow from Bermuda and from Fescue (and probably lots of other grasses too). Nearly all of my finds last year were on fescue. The blue bruising is key as gumby said. If it isn't turning noticably blue within 20-30 minutes of picking it, it's probably not a weilii.

Just make sure that you post ID requests for any finds you have - we'll help you make sure you've got weilii. Good luck.

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said:
Weilii are easy to ID. Very distinct smell that I've heard described as crayons or cheap lipstick... I didn't think they smelled like either one. Also, weilii ALWAYS bruise very blue.

Weilii grow in bermuda lawns and in/under pinestraw layed for landscaping.

Try looking in neighborhoods built within the past 2-8 years.

Cubes in Cobb or Bartow? It'd be a 1 in 1000 fields kinda thing... Possible, but not worth your time.


Plus dont forget to take a sporeprint, which should come out to a dark purple, almost black but definitely purple.


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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: hot48yearolds]
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hot48yearolds said:
Plus dont forget to take a sporeprint, which should come out to a dark purple, almost black but definitely purple.


.... I could have sworn that the prints I saw were a light purple brown in comparison to most other Psilocybe species......


If you can't recognize a weilii yet, look at another 200 photos.  :wink:

When I set eyes on my first cyans, i knew exactly what i was seeing... this is because i have seen so many photos. 
Similarly, weilii look distinct to me- i LOVE the way they look, they are my favourite Psilocybe species in fact.  When I see even a photo of a weilii, I  recognize it at once.

Keep looking and reading.  Look carefully at the photos...


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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: CureCat]
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From my experience only, I would say the further out of season a mushroom fruits, the worse fruit it will bear.

Premises.

Known facts:

-Mushrooms, not unlike plants, will often guess wrongly at the long and short-term weather conditions. They will sometimes "fruit out-of-season". Plants and mushrooms do not know exactly when to bear fruits, and more often than you would imagine, the mushrooms will fruit out-of-season. They don't fruit as abundantly and I would say they may even be "taking a peek" to see what's happening.

-If you agree with the prior premise, then you acknowledge the fact that they are indeed fruiting out of season, and that means they are not in prime environment.

-Being that they are not in prime environment, they will not grow as well.

-They may or may not produce more tryptamines (data shows that the tryptamines act as a air conditioner/heater), but they will certainly not be as healthy, meaty, or long-living, which also contributes to lesser amount of finds when hunting out of season.


-Psiclops

Edited by psiclops (04/05/07 04:09 AM)

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: psiclops]
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psiclops said:
-They may or may not produce more tryptamines (data shows that the tryptamines act as a air conditioner/heater)[...]

-Psiclops


I've heard about this temperature "protection" before but have never seen any actual data or studies. Can you provide a reference for this?


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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: CureCat]
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CureCat said:
.... I could have sworn that the prints I saw were a light purple brown in comparison to most other Psilocybe species......



Weiliis I have printed have been light purple brown, not blackish. But I haven't printed many of them seeing as how I can never wait long enough to eat them!

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: xmush]
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thank you very much Gumby. One more question....do you think weilii grow well around pine straw because of the acidity of the pine needles causing the soils pH to be higher. I think i may be on to something.

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: jpea14]
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all of you.....thanks.....Im pumped up this year about finding my first weilii.....anyway after looking at some pics today.....I found some weilii look-a-likes. I think they are called Valencia something. Reckon there could be weilii growing close to them. I found them in Bermuda grass bordering pine straw landscaping.

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: jpea14]
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jpea14 said:
thank you very much Gumby. One more question....do you think weilii grow well around pine straw because of the acidity of the pine needles causing the soils pH to be higher.


I doubt it has to do with pH. Just a general correction though, acidity = pH below 7, therefore the soil's pH would be lower.

The theory that has been presented here as to why weilii are abundant in pinestraw is that the pinestraw traps humidity under it and creates a more suitable environment for the mushrooms to grow. That sounds about right to me.

Edit: The look-a-like that you are finding is most likely Psathyrella velutina (apparently the genus has been changed and that name is outdated). They have furry/fuzzy caps and are often found growing along side weilii. All my people back in Georgia have told me they've been finding a lot of them lately.

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: Gumby]
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I agree with gumbys statement that the pinestraw helps trap the moisture in, creating an extremely nice envirnment for the mycelium. However I kinda do think it has a little to do with the ph of the soil too because if you look at other psilocybes like say the cubensis, they are dung lovers which is high in nitrogen levels giving it a high acidity. Im not sure about it but i would like to know whether it does have anything to do with it.


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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: phishhead]
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I think that would be a good experiment for an experienced cultivater. a good balance of pH help grass and other plants grow greener and stronger, so why wouldnt pH affect the growth of mushrooms and the size and strengths of their flushes???????

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: jpea14]
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my last post here was about 4 days ago and I have done nothing but research. ive looked at hundreds of pictures of weilii and they all look different. some smooth, some very wavy, some very pale, some very dark: are there any sure fire ways to identify these little boogers that have so many differences in appearence. i dont know. i think i am just getting my self all worked up over nothing. hell, i aint even found one yet. i just want to get my facts together before this years fruiting season.


one more thing: how does the Shroomery keep our identity safe? i would just about bet my life on it that the GBI, DEA etc. monitor this web site.

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: jpea14]
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However, don't disregard fescue either, I know that personally I have had success in this strain of grass, and recently other have as well.

And as far as cubes go, your best bet would be to head south of I-20 :smile:


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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: hot48yearolds]
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wow congrats. gwinnett is sooo cold right now. hopfully theyll start popping up as soon as this weather is gone.


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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: iago]
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jpea the best way to identify an active like the weilii if inexperienced is the oxidation or bluing that occurs during handling or in nature. After about 15 to 20 minutes usually sooner, you will notice bluish green bruising where the mushroom was handled. Now there are other non active mushrooms that bruise blue but not in the same fashion.
This is about as good of picture as it gets to show the bruising.


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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: jpea14]
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jpea14 said:
Do Cubensis grow as far north as Cobb and Bartow?


i know this was posted a while back but i just read this thread today :smile:

i live in in west cobb about 10 mins from the marietta square and yes cubes do grow here. i hunt from 3 fields that see light activity through the summer and heavy flushes during the fall. i know there are more fields around that are active, but i only hit a few because they are consistant and reliable. the weilii have come out in force around here over the past 2 seasons so they are the primary concern anyway. i think we are very fortunate to have access to cubes and weiliis in this area; 2 different mushrooms with 2 different experiences.

cubes from last fall..

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: hilikus989]
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i didnt know there were any cow pastures that close to the square. huh, whoda figgered.

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: jpea14]
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jesus. i better start looking. ive been thinking about the weilii lately, so i came here to check out if yall have found any, and sure enough! maybe.. ill be lucky..  i cannot wait till theyre full bloom though :smile:

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Re: First Weilii of the season [Re: tna]
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Anyone find welli in southern georgia, chatham county?


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