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5-MEO-DiPT and AMT injections for substrate?
    #647223 - 05/27/02 07:32 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Is this even a good Idea? I love AMT and "Foxy" by themselves but was wondering if and what the mushrooms might convert it into, i.e. something new? Maybe, maybe not, that is why I am asking to see if someone with a little more chemical conversion knowledge could answer me.

The strain is Cubes, I got the spores from some old Mushies I had lying around to make tea with but as usual scaped all the gills out to save for later and had decent growth, but a few contams, but atleast the spores didn't just go to waste ala' tea.

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Re: 5-MEO-DiPT and AMT injections for substrate? [Re: braski]
    #647235 - 05/27/02 07:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)


Seems like a bad idea to me...


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Re: 5-MEO-DiPT and AMT injections for substrate? [Re: braski]
    #647282 - 05/27/02 08:05 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

the mushrooms might convert it into, i.e. something new




My guess is they won't create something new. However the general consensus is that adding tryptamines (Tryptamine, DMT, Tryptophan, etc..) to the substrate will increase the potency of the fruits. Don't know if that's proven though.

Has anyone actually tried this?


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Re: 5-MEO-DiPT and AMT injections for substrate? [Re: esin]
    #647351 - 05/27/02 08:45 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Mushrooms extract Tryptamines from natural sources and convert it into the two Psilo's. (DMT, Tryptophan, etc. > Psilocybin, and Psilocin)

Psilocin is 4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
Psilocybin is O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine

These are from tryptamine sources.

Well, 5-MEO-DiPT and AMT are tryptamines and related, somewhat to, DMT and such.

DMT is N,N-Dimethyltryptamine, or 3-[2-(dimethylamino)ethyl]indole

5-MEO-DiPT is N,N-diisopropyl-5-methoxytryptamine

AMT (the mother of all Psycadelics {IMO}) is Alpha-methyltryptamine

If the mushroom is creating metobolic change and morphing DMT into just as strong psycadelics it has to be fesible that a tryptamine substatue could work, but what will it produce?

Would it be:
AMT becomes O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-(Alpha)-methyltryptamine
or
5-MEO-DiPT becomes O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-diisopropyl-5-methoxytryptamine

4-HO-AMT?
4-HO-5-MEO-DiPT?

Would this mean that a new chemical is born and a new chemical name needs to be created?


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Re: 5-MEO-DiPT and AMT injections for substrate? [Re: braski]
    #647631 - 05/27/02 12:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

If the mushroom is creating metobolic change and morphing DMT into just as strong psycadelics it has to be fesible that a tryptamine substatue could work, but what will it produce?





DMT is a strong psychedelic, I can't see how the mushroom will create an 'as strong psychedelic'.
Psilocybin can be as strong as orally administered DMT, at high doses. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't psilocybin extremely similar to DMT in its makeup?
As far as I know, J. Gartz is the only researcher on this subject:
'Gartz determined that psilocin levels could be raised up to 3.3% (originally .1%) with the addition of only 25 millimolars of tryptamine into 10 grams of substrate. Furthermore, his study showed that at least 22% of psilocybin was derived from the introduced radioactively taged tryptamine.'
Shulgin touches on the subject briefly in TIKHAL too.

This subject interests me very much, and I would be very interested in any research/findings that you have or will have.

Good luck



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Re: 5-MEO-DiPT and AMT injections for substrate? [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #649059 - 05/28/02 07:13 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Isn't Psilocybin, O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine, just DMT with an addition to make it orally usable and longer lasting.

Ala' morphine getting actetyl, to make heroin, basically it is a chemical that gets a new car to ride through the body in.

So instead of DMT running into heavy traffic in the stomach, the mushrooms are like mechanics and jack DMT's car up and add some bigger tires, becoming the Psilocybin "monster truck", which can then run over the MAO's and onto the brain.

SO maybe adding AMT and 5-MEO-DiPT would give a longer lived psycadelic that would be more potent?

Man, I think AMT is long already at about 16-18 hours!!!

If I could put that in a mushroom, or even 5-MEO-DiPT (the 6 hour orgasm), LOOK OUT!!!

So am I just crazy thinking this is gonna work?

The problem I see is that the mushrooms are eating way back in the Mycellin phase, so the subsrtate would have to be soaked maybe as well as injected through out growth????


Braski~

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