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Offlineskullfarmer1979
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DPT + substrate
    #2782823 - 06/10/04 08:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

a friend had a dream he put 100mg dpt in each cake and it raised potency.is this a farfetched dream?oh yeah!! some dumbass moved my thread about adding 100mg tryptamine hci to the substrate and getting 30mg psilocin per dry gram!it's not like i was asking for vermiculite substitutes or how to get rid of mushroom flies!anyone ever try adding tryptamine hci with good results??


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2783248 - 06/10/04 11:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I can Bet there's a chemical or chemicals out there that can increase potency, colonization, pinset ect. Reserch and tests are the only way to find out.


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2783940 - 06/11/04 06:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

L-5-Hydroxytryptophan, you can get it at GNC or other similar stores. The concept is that mushrooms use tryptophan to produce psilocybin, therefore adding this to the substrate after sterilization via injection can supposedly make them more potent. Its a subject of controversy though. Your brain also releases tryptophan while you sleep which maked you see the images of your dreams....or at least thats what i hear, the dream part.


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2784566 - 06/11/04 12:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Theres are multiple articles about this in the FAQs... I wish I was a mod right now, I would lock this shit and link your asses :smile:

Since I'm not though...
Here's a link, and continue to be creative and expressive of your opinions, that is how to make this community grow, whether the ideas are originally original or not.

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http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7953

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    #2785306 - 06/11/04 04:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: freakygurl]
    #2797869 - 06/16/04 04:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #2802022 - 06/17/04 12:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

hawksapprentice said:
L-5-Hydroxytryptophan, you can get it at GNC or other similar stores.



If you are interested in furthering this, L-5-Hydroxytryptophan is produced from Griffonia Seed-Powder. It contains 99% L-5-Hydroxytryptophan as an extract.
It can be purchased from Chem/Lab companies. Here are two:
http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/10414/SC-G1286
http://www.labdepotinc.com/chemical_details~pid~G1286.aspx
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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: freakygurl]
    #2806963 - 06/18/04 09:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

thanks vaka! i just read the tihkal and there is no experience report with 4-ho-dpt!i might get my friend to try the addition of dpt to substrate! it also looks like adding some dipt to the substrate would be intreasting .4-ho-dipt is still a legal research chem. but people talk highly of it on erowid.i wonder if it would all be converted to 4-ho-dipt or a mix of psliocybin and 4-ho-dipt.this may be the most important post EVER put on the shroomery!!! sometimes i wonder about my wondering mind?.?


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2928590 - 07/26/04 02:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

if ALEX SHULGIN is right,my friend is about to birth some cakes that will produce 4-HO-DPT instead of  4-HO-DMT.during substrate prep. he mixed 100mg DPT  in with his water and mixed accordingly. in about 2 weeks i should have some fruiting info and maybe a trip report!!  shulgin would be proud :cool:


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2929768 - 07/26/04 08:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

alright, it wont JUST make 4-ho-dpt. and RCs are illegal now. and 4-ho-dpt HAS been tested. itsin TIHKAL. its really hard to synth, so he never got up to active levels. and this is not the most important post ever ont he shroomery. i think shulgin would be pround, though;)......


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: 4hodmt]
    #2933559 - 07/27/04 07:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

whatever


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: micro]
    #2933800 - 07/27/04 08:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

ever hear the expression" there's more than one way to skin a cat".well the shroomery has proved that there is more than one way to grow mushrooms, but in the end your always left with "skinned cat". the hopes are to create something different, something new,skinning cats is getting a little boreing. but now that are beloved r.c.'s are gone,it looks like this experiment will be the one and only of it's kind.


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2933808 - 07/27/04 08:16 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: micro]
    #2933965 - 07/27/04 09:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

ok micro, i'm not the first to come up with this , but shifting walls just played with the idea, like i said,i may have a trip report in 2 weeks.


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2934000 - 07/27/04 09:25 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

please do :wink:

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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2981612 - 08/09/04 02:45 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

UPDATE - the 2 cakes containing 100mgs DPT r fruiting like crazy .first flush made a little over 7 dry g's. this coming weekend we will dose.


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2982435 - 08/09/04 05:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

im excited to hear how this turns out. after reading up on this ive considered trying it myself.


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: NNY]
    #2985486 - 08/10/04 12:24 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

what about the introduction of tartric acid? some discussions i have had with chemists i am thinking that it will help in the production of "silo". hoffman was the first to synthesise this because the indol ring he already knew. tartic acid is used to synth lsd, was thinking it might help make the indol ring in "silo"


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: crAckZ]
    #2994564 - 08/12/04 06:27 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

there would be far more 4-hyroxylated DPT in the fruits,
if you added a solution to a casing instead of the substrate.


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #2994821 - 08/12/04 10:22 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

How will you dose ???


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: phobey]
    #2994963 - 08/12/04 11:28 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

maybe,but it's to late now. me and a friend plan on taking 3g dry this weekend.i've heard that adding a tryptamine to substrate will raise potency,so we may be in for a hell of a ride.hopefully!


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #3008799 - 08/16/04 01:53 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

what a let down! without paying any attention to the tolerance factor,i consumed 2 grams of the 4-ho-dpt/4-ho-dmt shrooms.1.5 hours later ,when i was only feeling very little effects i started to search for the answer to why i'm barely getting off.three weeks ago i tripped on 2c-e,shrooms and 4-aco-dipt.last weekend i tripped on a large dose of 4-aco-dipt(i love that stuff!).so i'm thinking i built up a tolera nce.i was looking forward to feeling the effects of these shrooms that i didn't even think about how recently i had tripped.i'm gonna wait about a month and try it again.


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #3993246 - 03/31/05 02:05 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Just wondering if there was any update on these 4-ho-dpt shrooms - from what i heard, "possibly" the dose for 4-ho-dpt is actually suprisingly high, like 70mg orally.. so that might be why not feeling much (much of an added effect anyway).

That friend of a cousin's dog's friend said it was 4-ho-dpt that he took, but it was never 100% proven to be that chemical just probably (wasn't sent to get analysis), and the dose was 70+mg orally.

Anyway.. i've heard people have added DIPT and have gotten successful 4-ho-dipt shrooms out..


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Re: DPT + substrate [Re: radio879]
    #3996605 - 03/31/05 07:27 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

After reading this I just like to clarify a bit:

In the psilocybe mushroom species there are enzymes that can hydroxylate a tryptamine at the 4- position, and methylate the N-unsubstituted/monomethylated tryptamine, as described in TiHKaL (#4-OH-DET p 463) by the good doctor.

I have read dr. Gartz' paper on this and from memory I recall that adding tryptophan does *not* work. So I definately do not see the logic of adding 5-OH-tryptophan, as this one is substituted at the wrong position, even if the mycelium would be able to decarboxylate the molecule.

radio789: I can't remember where I saw it, but I heard the same thing about the potency of 4-OH-DPT. In any case it is weaker than psiloc(yb)in and seems the weakest of all the 4-hydroxies (TiHKaL p 479, >20mg). Still in theory any reasonable N-dialkylated tryptamine should get hydroxylated at the 4-position, it should definately work with DIPT too.

For 4-OH-MIPT, it would be interesting to add N-isopropyltryptamine to the substrate. Maybe there could be a steric factor that would conflict with the methylation, but my "gut feeling" doubts it (in as far you can trust that :wink: ). N-ethyltryptamine (for 4-OH-MET) would work though.. :smile:


BTW, the tartaric acid thing mentioned a couple of posts above is obviously pure bullshit, and has absolutely nothing to do with "building an indole ring".


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