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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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The Philosophical Implications of Birth
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What does it mean to be born?

Is the important moment the birth of consciousness, the emergence into the physical world, or some point far in the past when life was born?

We refer to people being "born again" when they experience a major paradigm shift--this would seem to indicate that the birth of consciousness is the important moment.

Or does it occur in a single moment?  Perhaps it is a series of births, leading up to death?

Thoughts?  Objections?  Re-birth stories?  :smile:

Happy Birthday redgreenvines!!!

:cheers:

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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: Veritas]
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Happy Birthday redgreenvines!!!
:baby:


  :courtjester:  :yakko:  :braindamage:  :yourock:  :winner:  :rastana:  :celery:  :villagepeople:  :jiggly:  :hairmetal:  :hypno:  :heartpump:  :maple:  :bongload:  :bigweed:  :bongload:  :bongload:  :sanpedro:  :peyotespectrum:  :mushroomgrow:  :bouncysmoke:  :bongroll:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: Veritas]
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Happy birthday redgreenvines! Hope you had another happy trip around the sun.


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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: Silversoul]
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sperm, egg, chemical reaction.

happy universary :smile:


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The argent messenger of truth beyond truth, the antithesis of life, cruel and bleak as interstellar space, pulseless and frozen as absolute zero, dazzling with the frost of irrefragable logic and unforgettable fact.

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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: Veritas]
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I'm going out on a limb and saying that every moment everything dies and is reborn...including us. But what is a moment? A conceptual imputation in the minds of man. There is no birth and no death, only thus.

Happybirthday


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: dblaney]
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Ahhh...indeed, a "moment" is our imposition of perception onto the endless stream of now. Humans believe in a linear progression of existence, divided up into bite-sized portions of "then" "now" and "later."


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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: Veritas]
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Like sleep is the little brother of death, waking up may be the little sister of birth ?

The moment gives birth to life and life gives birth to consciousness to experience and partake in existence, the moment that encloses our universe, constantly.

Yay, happy birth-day !

:heart:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: BlueCoyote]
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-- Deep Space 9

I find the decades of research made by Stanislav Grof (yes, yes, I’m on his pay list) interesting in this regard. According to his research, every fetus experience birth as an extremely traumatic event leading to his ‘death’.

Which is logical, since everything he thought he was and everything he knew dies in the process of birth. He emerges from this ‘death’ of his world and existing unlimited sense of self, into a new world and new self never known or experienced before.

What is interesting is that people who through many stages of psychedelic psychotherapy or neoshamanic practices or through some other ordeal come to relive the final stages of their birth have to go through the same thing (on psychological level that is). Final ego death per excellence, as described in the book LSD Psychotherapy:

"The ego death  involves an experience of the destruction of everything that the subject is, possesses, or is attached to. Its essential characteristics are a sense of total annihilation on all imaginable levels, loss of all systems of relation and reference, and destruction of the objective world. In the final stages, the subjects have to face and confront experiences, situations and circumstances that are unacceptable or even unimaginable to them."

Yet this death is actually a new birth, much in the same fashion as real birth was. Individuals who have gone through and successfully integrated it, feel reborn and free from previously ingrained pathologies such as anxieties, depressions, etc. They also find new beauty and appreciation for the people and life around him.

So it seems birth is death, and death is birth. The only thing that changes is the form.  :mushroom2:


Happy Birthday redgreenvines! You old bugger!  :heart: :grin:


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"Who are you who live in all these many forms? You're death that captures all. You too are the source of all that's gonna be born. You're glory, mercy, peace, truth. You give calm a spirit, understanding, courage, the contented heart."

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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: redtailedhawk]
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Beautiful post brother. Thank you for sharing that. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: Icelander]
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My pleasure my friend.  :grin:


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"Who are you who live in all these many forms? You're death that captures all. You too are the source of all that's gonna be born. You're glory, mercy, peace, truth. You give calm a spirit, understanding, courage, the contented heart."

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Re: The Philosophical Implications of Birth [Re: redtailedhawk]
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hey;

cool
I've been immersed in a sausage ragu with absinthe wine port chocolate and several dancing fools
band members they were mostly
and
a fat salvia joint for me while they had some cigarettes on the porch
to help remember and forget
rebirth
rebirthday.


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